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Great Leadership In Battle: The Difference Between Victory And Defeat

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In battle, Roman generals walked behind the lines in preparation for an attack, shouting orders to their legions, and directing things in the moment as the battle unfolded. Their emperors had given them orders to conquer territory for the empire, and they were fully intent on seeing those orders carried out.

Soldiers in the army of God also have a great Conqueror who reigns over them, and likewise charges his generals with gaining spiritual territory and overpowering His enemies. According to scripture, He is one day going to rule with a rod of iron over the entire planet, after returning in glory and power:

11 I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: King of kings and Lord of lords. (Revelation 19:11-16)

Until His return, Christ Jesus is and has been putting generals in charge of His army, and Peter now brings up three things these generals have often been characterized by: They have known His will and received specific direction from the Lord in the moment, they have skillfully wielded the sword of the Spirit, and they have been able to teach and train others so as to be prepared to take their place as leaders after their deaths. Peter exemplified these things in our next passage of scripture.

12 Therefore I will determine to always remind you of these things, despite you both knowing and having been established in the present truth. 13 For I esteem it is right so long as I am in this tabernacle to stir you up by way of remembrance, 14 knowing that the putting off my tabernacle is at hand, just as also our Lord Jesus Christ signified to me. 15 And I will be diligent to cause you always to have remembrance of these things after my death. (2 Peter 1:12-15)

Peter knew the specific will of God here, and that his martyrdom was coming soon, just as the apostle Paul was made aware as well. In Acts he was specifically prophesied over that his death was approaching, but when the prophecy was given, Paul's response suggests he already knew of it because he told them he was already prepared. It may not have been the first time the Lord prophesied this to him.

10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul's belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, "Thus says the Holy Spirit, 'So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'" 12 Now when we heard these things, both we and those from that place pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, "What do you mean by weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." 14 So when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, "The will of the Lord be done." (Acts 21:10-14)

Like Paul, Peter likely knew his death was imminent as a result of receiving some form of prophetic declaration such as a dream, vision or prophecy, for he declared, "the putting off my tabernacle is at hand, as also our Lord Jesus Christ signified unto me." The Greek word δηλόω here was occasionally used of prophetic revelation, such as when the Jewish priests received divine guidance through the Umim and Thumim (Deuteronomy 33:8), or when King Belshazzar saw writing on the wall and besought Daniel for the interpretation (Daniel 5:15). So Peter too was being warned in advance of his coming martyrdom and was preparing for it, and this brings up yet another characteristic of God's generals: They will be willing to carry out direct orders from the Lord even if it means their death, understanding that "If we die with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. But if we deny Him, He also will deny us." (2 Timothy 2:11-12)

But will His generals be the only ones who receive direct instructions in the end-times? Joel 2:28 states the Spirit will be poured out upon every believer from youngest to oldest, and they will all be receiving direct commands and admonitions from the Lord Jesus Christ for themselves.


Expert With The Sword

Roman generals were not just military strategists, they were also exceptional soldiers in the field, and highly skilled at wielding the sword. This is how they could teach and train men in the use of weapons, by drilling them over and over again on what worked in battle and what did not.

Peter did something similar. Despite being repetitive, he was training his readers over and over again the difference between true doctrine and false, so they would not be deceived or spiritually defeated after he was gone. To prevent this, he kept telling them, "I will be diligent to cause you to always have remembrance of these things after my death."

Why was the Holy Spirit now leading Peter to repeat himself so much? Because the Lord knew this letter would be read for the next two millennium, and by millions upon millions of believers, to serve as a warning not only against a heresy that was prevalent in Peter's time but emerge again in the end-times as one of the most dangerous and destructive heresies in history. One of the lies they were teaching was that the "Day of the Lord" was just an empty threat, and that the fearful judgments mentioned in several Old Testament passages would not take place, so the Gnostics had nothing to fear from the God of the Jews. But it was a lie:

3 Scoffers will come in the last days, walking in accordance with their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:3-7)

Again and again you see the apostles constructing arguments like this from scripture to refute the false teachings that were being raised up by the enemy against the truth. Paul referred to this as "casting down arguments, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God."

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)

Military strongholds were harder to bring down because not only were they heavily fortified but also usually elevated as well. Some were almost impregnable, including Masada, the Jewish stronghold that was eventually destroyed by the Romans in 73 A.D. Though it took almost four years, the Romans continued to built ramparts to elevate themselves until they finally entered the fortress and slaughtered everyone still alive. It proved that no matter how high or seemingly "impregnable" a stronghold might be, it could still be conquered.

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So too, Paul was saying that no argument raised up against the truth was impregnable either. Every one would be cast to the ground, for the apostles were skilled in refuting the lies Satan was using, and reducing them to rubble. But refuting false doctrine is a skill that is developed over time and through experience. It takes just as much work as becoming skilled with a literal sword did. Many heresies Satan uses to attack the truth are still alive and well today, including those taught by the Jehovah's Witnesses and Gnostics, the latter of which we will be covered more in the next study. The question we must ask is, are we training ourselves in how to wield the sword of the Spirit and cut the enemy's arguments to pieces, or simply content to remain on the sidelines and not get our spiritual hands bloody.
 
Training Future Replacements

Lastly, it is obvious from Peter declaring, "I will be diligent to cause you always to have remembrance of these things after my death" that he had future leaders in mind, and a desire to pass on the true Christian traditions to the next generation. Peter in fact quite regularly had leaders in mind, as is apparent from the first letter where he had this to say to not only the elders but younger men who were aspiring to ministry as well:

1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly, 3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. 5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” (1 Peter 5:1-7)

Peter highlighted several potential pitfalls here, not the least of which was the seduction and lure of money in exchange for ministry. They were not to serve for the sake of dishonest gain, or as the King James put it, "filthy lucre." They were not to shepherd His flock for money but willingly, as examples to the flock of serving Him without self-interest in mind. Judas was an example of the opposite, and ended up succumbing to the seductions of greed. And when he finally realized what he had done, the Devil convinced Judas to hang himself for it.

Likewise some leaders could get derailed by pride, as he warned the younger men especially. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, so they needed to submit themselves under the hand of God and wait to be lifted up in due time. Yet some did not. According to early church writers, Nicolas who was mentioned in Acts 6 got turned and seduced, and went on to start his own cult which thereafter came to be referred to as the Nicolaitans, described in Revelation 2:

1 "To the angel of the church of Ephesus write,'These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lamp stands... 5 Remember from where you have fallen. Repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lamp stand from its place unless you repent. 6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Revelation 2:1, 5-7a)

Did Nicolas succumb to pride after having been laid hands on by the apostles? Some debate it, but certainly Christ gave serious warnings to His disciples when He prophesied to them about what might happen if they should turn from being spiritual overseers to becoming spiritual abusers instead:

45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:45-51)


Questions & Applications

1. What thoughts did you have in reading through this study. Do you recall anything coming to mind?

2. Describe an instance where you refuted an anti-Christian argument or a false doctrine someone was teaching, using the sword of the Spirit to take it apart. What was the result?

3. There are many "Christian" heresies in the world now, some very well established, and many more coming. Have you ever studied Apologetics, and/ or spent much time thinking about how to debate some of the more prominent heresies today? Have you ever confronted people like the Jehovah's Witnesses before.

4. Have you ever been specifically directed by the Lord to do or not do certain things, after receiving a dream, vision or direct prophecy? If not, do you think such things are "out of your league"?

5. Have you ever discipled another believer in the things you operate in, and/ or in the word? And by contrast, do you feel as though any one in particular - a Christian leader or teacher you have read from or sat under - discipled you in some way?
 
1. What thoughts did you have in reading through this study. Do you recall anything coming to mind?
I'm at the age where I'm thinking about turning things over to the next generation. And yet my wife and I are still here, doing things. There's more for us to do. And we're still learning, as well. Spiritual warfare is something we can't avoid until we've passed on.
2. Describe an instance where you refuted an anti-Christian argument or a false doctrine someone was teaching, using the sword of the Spirit to take it apart. What was the result?
I know once my wife and I were just waking up in the morning when we heard someone knocking at the door. My wife opened the door to a couple of JWs, and she informed them that she wasn't interested.

I could hear the discussion from the bedroom. They asked her, in a perhaps insulting way, "Not ready to face the world yet, eh?"

And my wife hilariously answerd, "Exactly!" I think the JWs understood that my wife was identifying them as "the world!" ;) I heard nothing more.
3. There are many "Christian" heresies in the world now, some very well established, and many more coming. Have you ever studied Apologetics, and/ or spent much time thinking about how to debate some of the more prominent heresies today? Have you ever confronted people like the Jehovah's Witnesses before.
I spent many days and many hours listening to the Bible Answerman, Walter Martin, when I lived in S. CA. Understanding the cults did not come easy for me, but I know enough to identify them as heterodox. I simply inform them that they live in groups/cults outside the pale of conventional Christianity, and explain where that divide exists.

Otherwise, I try to treat them as those who wish to model themselves after Christ, even though I must remain separate from their religion. I've learned not to argue with them too much--it's not really my gift. I can plant seeds, and that's about it.
4. Have you ever been specifically directed by the Lord to do or not do certain things, after receiving a dream, vision or direct prophecy? If not, do you think such things are "out of your league"?
I'm not really guided at all by dreams or visions. But I've had a number of supernatural experiences of different kinds, such as being rescued from death or injury. And I've experienced words of knowledge. I suppose God gives gifts to individuals as He wills--not as we will.
5. Have you ever discipled another believer in the things you operate in, and/ or in the word? And by contrast, do you feel as though any one in particular - a Christian leader or teacher you have read from or sat under - discipled you in some way?
I adopted Watchman Nee as an author/mentor. I've quoted him almost my whole life. And a few years back a friend took me to meet someone who knew him and his family.

We all need examples or mentors. And we should naturally become fathers and mothers to younger Christians--not just to our own kids.
 
I'm at the age where I'm thinking about turning things over to the next generation. And yet my wife and I are still here, doing things. There's more for us to do. And we're still learning, as well. Spiritual warfare is something we can't avoid until we've passed on.

I was thinking I might get an answer or two like that : ) I have never been one to "love" this life, per se. If anything I have wanted to finish my course and move on. But i have found myself praying for the last few years at least now that He extend my life, and give me to the age of 80 or more. That would be twenty more years, and in that time I truly believe I could make a dent for the kingdom of God. But I know precisely what you mean. Occasionally I wonder myself when it seems there's still so much to do and so far to go.
 
I know once my wife and I were just waking up in the morning when we heard someone knocking at the door. My wife opened the door to a couple of JWs, and she informed them that she wasn't interested.

I could hear the discussion from the bedroom. They asked her, in a perhaps insulting way, "Not ready to face the world yet, eh?"

And my wife hilariously answerd, "Exactly!" I think the JWs understood that my wife was identifying them as "the world!" ;) I heard nothing more.

That's always about been my reply, LoL. I smile, I make eye contact, and then it's "I'm already born again," which in translation I am communicating to mean, "I know the truth already, sisters, so you are barking up the wrong tree." That usually ends it. They smile back and excuse themselves.

But now, on the forums I have to say it's a different thing. I don't like them posting at all, quite frankly, and thankfully we have rules in place that prohibit it. It's not that I don't mind attempting to witness to them, but they are almost never in the mood for listening. They are not trained for that. They are around to out-debate you. I know of one on another forum and she is truly an... obnoxious individual to have to debate. Not the worst person, mind you, but wow what a headache. If you are not ready to go 3,000 rounds with a woman who will never concede a point and never stop posting at you and never stop "refuting" you no matter how poorly she can actually defend what she says... you do well to just stay clear of her. She will beat you down purely by attrition. It's a classic case of why we need to follow 2 Timothy 2:16-17.
 
I spent many days and many hours listening to the Bible Answerman, Walter Martin, when I lived in S. CA. Understanding the cults did not come easy for me, but I know enough to identify them as heterodox.

Sounds like you and I grew up in Christ at the same time, and in the same environment, because he was popular when I was a young believer as well. But there was something off there. He was an informed debater, but you always sensed there was a little bit of a mean spirit about him. I could never put my finger on it; just that it seemed sort of.... bitter-spirited sometimes, if you know what I mean. Then one day later in life I saw a video of him debating a 7th Day Adventist, and I don't favor SDA teaching either, but Walter Martin was just being brutal to this guy. Wouldn't let him speak, misrepresented his position, railroaded him... it was kinda disrespectful of the man to be honest, and the poor Adventist was just sitting there with this look like, "I thought this was going to be a debate."

Maybe if things had been presented in a different context I might have been more drawn to apologetics and defending the truth, and I didn't read many studies like this one either. Certainly it can be daunting to commence tackling all sorts of doctrinal disputes and fielding all sorts of scripture involved, but the call of God is to pick up the sword and start learning how to use it, not get overwhelmed and presume one is not up to the task. All things are possible in God, and I think this is where more encouragement should come in. Things start to get easier eventually because you realize that the cults tend to be a broken record, and hammer away on the same old heretical teachings year after year.

Btw, I do believe that some may not actually be as called to apologetics as others, but I know I am now, and in my early years I would have been so intimidated by the thought that if God had told me I was back then, I might have said, "No flippin' way," LoL.
 
I'm not really guided at all by dreams or visions. But I've had a number of supernatural experiences of different kinds, such as being rescued from death or injury. And I've experienced words of knowledge. I suppose God gives gifts to individuals as He wills--not as we will.

I think word of knowledge applies. I once ask a forum that had a group of charismatics on it how word of knowledge worked, and one said, "You will usually receive an image in your mind that describes the situation at hand in some way." I thought, "Well that's interesting." Years later, if that assessment is actually correct then I move in word of knowledge all the time.

So yeah. I'd say that qualifies as divine direction, depending on the subject matter at hand.
I adopted Watchman Nee as an author/mentor. I've quoted him almost my whole life. And a few years back a friend took me to meet someone who knew him and his family.

We all need examples or mentors. And we should naturally become fathers and mothers to younger Christians--not just to our own kids.

Yes we should, and I almost added this to the question: Is there someone in our family who were are passing down our spiritual heritage to. :thumbsup2
 
That's always about been my reply, LoL. I smile, I make eye contact, and then it's "I'm already born again," which in translation I am communicating to mean, "I know the truth already, sisters, so you are barking up the wrong tree." That usually ends it. They smile back and excuse themselves.

But now, on the forums I have to say it's a different thing. I don't like them posting at all, quite frankly, and thankfully we have rules in place that prohibit it. It's not that I don't mind attempting to witness to them, but they are almost never in the mood for listening. They are not trained for that. They are around to out-debate you. I know of one on another forum and she is truly an... obnoxious individual to have to debate. Not the worst person, mind you, but wow what a headache. If you are not ready to go 3,000 rounds with a woman who will never concede a point and never stop posting at you and never stop "refuting" you no matter how poorly she can actually defend what she says... you do well to just stay clear of her. She will beat you down purely by attrition. It's a classic case of why we need to follow 2 Timothy 2:16-17.

Totally! I never hesitate to discuss/argue with anyone who is sincere. But discernment is key. If someone really *isn't* sincere, and just wants to impose their will, there's no sense debating them. They are a distraction from more important things we could be doing. "Shake the dust off your shoes, and move on."
 
Sounds like you and I grew up in Christ at the same time, and in the same environment, because he was popular when I was a young believer as well. But there was something off there. He was an informed debater, but you always sensed there was a little bit of a mean spirit about him. I could never put my finger on it; just that it seemed sort of.... bitter-spirited sometimes, if you know what I mean. Then one day later in life I saw a video of him debating a 7th Day Adventist, and I don't favor SDA teaching either, but Walter Martin was just being brutal to this guy. Wouldn't let him speak, misrepresented his position, railroaded him... it was kinda disrespectful of the man to be honest, and the poor Adventist was just sitting there with this look like, "I thought this was going to be a debate."

Maybe if things had been presented in a different context I might have been more drawn to apologetics and defending the truth, and I didn't read many studies like this one either. Certainly it can be daunting to commence tackling all sorts of doctrinal disputes and fielding all sorts of scripture involved, but the call of God is to pick up the sword and start learning how to use it, not get overwhelmed and presume one is not up to the task. All things are possible in God, and I think this is where more encouragement should come in. Things start to get easier eventually because you realize that the cults tend to be a broken record, and hammer away on the same old heretical teachings year after year.

Btw, I do believe that some may not actually be as called to apologetics as others, but I know I am now, and in my early years I would have been so intimidated by the thought that if God had told me I was back then, I might have said, "No flippin' way," LoL.
I can't say about your own experience w/ W. Martin--I know he could have an off day at times. His work certainly had to have its "moments."

In his defense, however, let me say I attended Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim at that period of time, where he taught a Sunday Bible class. I attended a few times and was surprised at how funny he was up close! I expected a pretty harsh, serious guy! ;)

I regularly quote something he said at that time, "God doesn't speak with a lisp--He says through Scriptures explicitly what He wishes to say. We don't need to read doctrine into Scriptures unless it is plainly said."

I got to know Howard Pepper, who temporarily worked at CRI, and found him to be cordial. I also got into my possession a watch peviously owned by Donald Grey Barnhouse, Martin's mentor, with the time set at 11:00. I felt it may be a word to Martin that Christian ministry was close to an end in the present age. I left it at the front desk at CRI. Indeed, a few years later he died.

Having a connection like this I can only thank the guy for steering me in the direction of apologetics, because the entire reason I came to benefit from his ministry was because I had challenged a little booklet by Robert and Gretchen Passantino who had warned that Witness Lee and the Local Church was a cult. I challenged that in a letter to W. Martin because his ministry had sponsored them, and I felt that Lee was a friend and co-minister with Watchman Nee.

And so I actually got into that "cult" for a time when I lived in Anaheim, until I discerned an arrogant spirit in one of their Bible studies, and stood up to them. I later received a dream where I saw two evil angels angry at me, wanting to murder me for leaving that cult! That was a time when Martin did a message opposing the Local Church as a cult, and some real turmoil developed, legally and in the press.

So, I realized the Passantinos and CRI were right, that I had got myself into a Christian cult. Many years later my daughter's friend I discovered was in the Local Church, and I re-contacted Gretchen Passantino. I discovered that she and Martin's successor at CRI Hank Hanegraaff had changed their view that the Local Church was a cult! Gretchen said onlline that she wanted to get back with me to discuss this but I never heard back from her. When I checked to see why Gretchen did not get back to me I discovered she had died!

I think she and Hanegraaff are wrong that the Local Church is no longer a cult. They may have fixed up some of their doctrines to make them more "orthodox," but I still believe they operate in a cultic way. That being said, I am indebted to the Passantinos and to CRI for helping steer me in the right direction many years ago!

So these are just some of the odd experiences I've had with CRI and people who formerly worked there. ;) Overall, though, I came to love apologetics, which is why I'm even on Christian forums--I love trying to answer questions, and regularly pray that *something* comes out of discussions that makes a difference. (In fact, I had a strange dream where the Lord told me He could answer any question I have of Him.)

I might also add that I had a particular "thorn in the flesh" that was never resolved by Pentecostal "Faith Doctrine," which has caused something of an attitude in me, as well. I began to promote Postribulationism, which asserts that suffering troubles in the Christian life is normal and to be expected to some degree. I wrote Martin and asked him to do a message on it, and he did soon after.

Martin not only did a message in favor of Postribulationism, but he also began to challenge Faith Doctrine. Paul Crouch at TBN had him on as a guest, and a real animosity developed in Crouch towards Martin, or those who he called "Heresy Hunters." Crouch promised to have Martin back, but never did that I know of. Martin said to Crouch's face that it wasn't likely they would ever have him back!

So I hope I'm not being presumptuous in thinking Martin was responding to me in doing his little tape on Postribulationism --I think he was. And if he was, he certainly took even a low profile guy like me seriously.

He seemed a little annoyed that he had to address what he saw as "peripheral differences" in the church, but I think any of us who are dealing with any kind of evil or pride will sometimes have a certain amount of "annoyance" in the sound of our voice. We simply need to overcome the temptation to be sucked into hostility by those we're dealing with.

Don't get me wrong--I've never been close friends with any of these people. They're well above my stature--they've just coincidentally come to impact my life in a very personal way. From the top to the bottom we're all family and in this together. I thought you might be interested in some of the details because of your particular interest in divine signs.
 
I might also add a little story Martin told when he was out bird-shooting with Donald G. Barnhouse. Apparently there was some danger Martin might fire too quickly, and Barnhouse warned Martin to be hesitant to respond too aggressively. Birds may be killed that God may not want to be dead!

I think we're all in danger of hurting people we think are hostile. Behind their hostility may be some level of innocense that God wants us to be patient with. May the Lord give us discernment when to shut them down and when to maintain a certain degree of patience!
 
Totally! I never hesitate to discuss/argue with anyone who is sincere. But discernment is key. If someone really *isn't* sincere, and just wants to impose their will, there's no sense debating them. They are a distraction from more important things we could be doing. "Shake the dust off your shoes, and move on."

Absolutely they are, and we walk in disobedience to God by blowing time that could be spent elsewhere, as you said.
I think we're all in danger of hurting people we think are hostile. Behind their hostility may be some level of innocense that God wants us to be patient with. May the Lord give us discernment when to shut them down and when to maintain a certain degree of patience!

Glorious! And so true. The call is to respond to others as Christ Himself would, and He looks on the heart, and He sees the desires and intentions people are actually being motivated by. Jude taught something similar when he said, "22 on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh." This was a verse about Gnostics again, btw, but the same principle was being applied. Some might be open to receiving the truth, but others you needed to still be very careful around, because they were still very capable of trying to seduce you.

Thanks again for the responses, Randy. Hope you have a blessed Sunday!
- H
 
Totally! I never hesitate to discuss/argue with anyone who is sincere. But discernment is key. If someone really *isn't* sincere, and just wants to impose their will, there's no sense debating them. They are a distraction from more important things we could be doing. "Shake the dust off your shoes, and move on."
I think we all want to "impose our will"...if that's what you want to call it.
My belief is that we should ALWAYS, if at all possible, adjust what someone is stating about our faith that is not true.
It may not be heeded or given importance...but it's still a little seed that is planted in their mind.

But I agree with you,,,if after a while, you see that your words are falling on deaf ears....and it might be turning into an argument instead...then better to just stop. Maintain Christian values. The other person will always remember your kindness...if nothing else.
 
What I mean by "imposing our will" is that the Christian is, by definition, a servant, and should not be trying to impose our will. We are just carrying out God's will, and can tell that we're not following Him when we get overly angry or insist on someone accepting what we say.

This is to be distinguished from legitimate argumentation. If we love others we will try to argue so that they see the light on any number of subjects that could hurt them if they don't see clearly.

If someone is running off the road, you try to steer them back on the road. If they just don't listen, it will do no good to hit them over the head. ;)
I think we all want to "impose our will"...if that's what you want to call it.
My belief is that we should ALWAYS, if at all possible, adjust what someone is stating about our faith that is not true.
It may not be heeded or given importance...but it's still a little seed that is planted in their mind.

But I agree with you,,,if after a while, you see that your words are falling on deaf ears....and it might be turning into an argument instead...then better to just stop. Maintain Christian values. They other person will always remember your kindness...if nothing else.
Yes!
 
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