Christian Rap

[therealsuperman64]

So I heard this pastor make negative comments against Christian rap saying that it was unacceptable but I have to disagree with that. I mean I don't care for rap that much either and I know the hip hop culture has a bad reputation but if its purpose is to glorify and praise God, then why would we even think for a second that God is against it?

 

[Gabe]

I absolutely detest rap music, I cannot stand it but that is just my taste. If rap music is used to glorify God then who are we to condemn it? I'm pretty sure Christ will have no preference in how He is glorified through music, whether the praises are screamed (metal) or rhymed (rap)

 

[Nightowl]

if your wondering if christian rap is bad then i recoomed checking out flame. i would get our world fallen or our world reedeed.

 

[heather]

If it came down to the point when rap music was all that we had to glorify God, I'm sure He would take it over having the rocks cry out His praise. It would be better than not praising Him at all.

 

[Leinad]

I disagree with the idea of Christian Rap. I don't think it is Christ like at all. Perhaps, the lyrics glorify God but everything else surrounding those lyrics does not. It'd be similar to saying that there was such a thing as Christian porn... I just can't conect those two words. I'm actually reminded of Cain and Abel. Cain made an offering to God and I think one could make a stronger argument that Cain's sacrifice was glorifying to God then the argument for Christian rap. Why would the world want to become "Christian" if we participate in the same activities as they do? "Christian Rap" is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Below are some scriptures to support my position.


2 Corinthians 6
"13": Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
"14": Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
"15": And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
"16": And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
"17": Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
"18": And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[Godfirst633]

Here are my thoughts on the subject. First of all, I want to make it clear that the devil can't create anything. He is not a creator. He is a created being. With that being said, the devil can't create music (any style...i.e. rap, hip hop, rock, southern gospel). The only thing he can do is pervert what God created. God created us in His image, having His likeness. Our expressions of worship (no matter what style) are not nor will ever be wrong. Now, you can come before God with the wrong heart, motive or attitude and that could make your worship not right. But, to completely say that if someone honors God in their talent (like hip hop) and has the right heart, but they are still wrong, because you disagree with the style is wrong. Does rap reach everybody? No, but does Southern Gospel reach everybody? No. The truth of the matter is worship is not about the style of music that is being played. Worship is an act of sacrifice on our parts. It is honoring God with everything you have, your life, your talents, your dreams, and your whole heart. There is no formula that says if you do it this way, then you go to heaven or if you do it another way, then you're not right. It is a heart matter, not style. That is the problem with so many in the church, we have relegated worship to the music being sung. The truth of the matter is, you should be able to worship God no matter whether it is rap or hymns that are being sung. Because, music maybe a form of worship to God, but it is not worship. Thanks for reading!

Michael
God Bless

 

[Blazin Bones]

God first makes some great points. I'm just going to add that Christian rap can not be equated with Christian Porn. Rap is a style of Music. It may be the style used most by the hip hop, thug culture, but that does not make it bad just because it is used by their culture. The reverse would be saying something to the effect that proclaiming God's word is now bad because other faiths proclaim a perverted message in the same manner Christians proclaim the truth.

Porn require actions. It is not porn without those involved being sexual immoral or at least causing those watching to become lustful. This can not be equated to a style of music because the syle itself does not necessitate any actions.

 

[samuel]

One of Caines descendants was given as responsible for music (Gen. 4:21 - Jubal). This was not exactly from a Godly source, and evidently some of his descendants are still around. I dislike any kind of RAP exceedingly.

 

[Blazin Bones]

I'm fairly sure that music was around before Jubal began to make instruments. I mean, if we will be praising God in heaven, quite possibly in song, then I'm sure the angels praised him with song long before we invented anything. Even so, if Jubal, being a descendant of cain makes music bad, why then are the psalms of David good things?

 

[heather]

I'm fairly sure that music was around before Jubal began to make instruments. I mean, if we will be praising God in heaven, quite possibly in song, then I'm sure the angels praised him with song long before we invented anything. Even so, if Jubal, being a descendant of cain makes music bad, why then are the psalms of David good things?

I'm also sure that anyone can sing songs of praise without instruments. I do it all the time. When I was little, I made songs up about everything (as do most children). Jubal did not create our voices! Mine is my instrument of choice!

 

[samuel]

No because Jubal was credited for the origination of instruments, it does not make music bad. It more or less says that our music is a thing of the world, not a spiritual gift.

Paul said nothing of its self was evil. But that depends on the use of it. I consider RAP to be of such a fleshly nature that it cannot be redeemed, it doesn't matter what name you hang on it. It does not change the nature of the music, if you can even call it that.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Where does it say music is of this world? I know the passage of which you speak, and all it says is that he made insturments. As Heather has pointed out, voices could sing long before Jubal made any instruments. Angels have voices, which means angels can sing, which means music was around before the creation of the world.

 

[turnorburn]

Christian Rap?

 

[Blazin Bones]

Cross Movement, GRITS, and Da Truth are three artists I can think of. Da Truth is probably the most solid of them all.

 

[heather]

I was discussing this with my husband and we simply had to agree to disagree. The life style of secular rap artists are not of the Lord, no questions, but if a christian rap artist can create music that glorifies the Lord, who are we to tell him (or her) that he is wrong. The same could be said for secular rock. Look at the lifestyles of rock artists since the genre originated. Drugs, and sex! Does that make christian rock wrong? I don't think so. I think that christian rap can be a great way to reach city kids. And the message that it portrays is not one of the world, but one of the Lord.

 

[turnorburn]

Christian Rap/Rock

An excuse for "Christians" to live in sin, in Jesus' name.

by Robert J. Stewart

Most Christians today aren't really "Christian" in the sense that they are still worldly. Sadly, many even try to justify their sins. They are willingly ignorant of the Bible (the Truth) concerning holy living. They set up this little world in their own mind that's straight out of hell while saying, "There's nothing wrong with it!" When a caring Christian tries to show them the right way, saying "you're on the wrong side brother," they often get offended. Instead of taking heed to words of wisdom, they...looking for ways to condone their sin...say otherwise and refuse your words. Nevertheless, we must warn them.

"But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." -2nd Thessalonians 3:13-15


One of the demons which we should be warning others about is the so-called "Christian rock/rap" music. There ain't no such animal. Artists like "P.O.D", Jump 5, Amy Grant, Stryper, and many other "Christian rock bands" are successfully luring America's Christian youth into the devil's music.

All these unholy entertainers are misleading this generation's youth, propagating the lie that Satanic music is actually good. Most of America's born-again youth see no harm in "Christian rap or rock." But have many of these young people really taken the time to look into what they're listening to? Not really. Rather, they make excuses by saying to themselves, "There's not a thing wrong with listening to this kind of music!" In reality, everything is wrong with this corrupt music!

The Christian rap/rock crowd maintains the idea that "Christian Rap/Rock is a way to help bring more people to Christ by making the Christian life more fun and enjoyable." Oh really? Then while your at it, add some hardcore "Christian" hip-hop songs, with some "Christian" rappers to win people to Christ, and do this all in the name of GOD...Are you people crazy?!

Since when do we have to appeal to the flesh in people to get them to their knees? :onfire:

:microwave:

 

[Gabe]

I could kinda understand (but still not agree) if some people were against all forms of music, period, but how does one differenciate between Christian Rock, Rap, Gospel, Choir music and so on? It may come as a shock to some but every form of music known to man has been inspired by other older (and non-Christian) forms of music which i suppose would make ALL music 'worldly'. Why do people single out Christian Rock and Rap? Do people find the creation of the electric guiter or the turn-table to be the handywork of the devil? If the only charge they have against these music genres is that some non/anti-Christian types play similar sounding music, then that is a pretty weak argument because even pagans sing and chant during worship, very much like the Choir music you will hear in almost every Christian church all over the world.

Many Christians are not real Christians in the sense that they are still worldly? Well ofcourse I am still worldly to some degree, WE ALL ARE! How are we able to post in forums like this one? We have computers, Last time I checked, that is pretty worldly. I assume we all have jobs? WORLDLY! We all have homes? WORLDLY! We all have cellphones? WORLDLY! we all drive car's? WORLDY! We all have conversations at times which have nothing whatsoever to do with God? WORLDLY! we all dress in 'standard' clothes (by which i mean not in sackcloths)? WORLDY! I could go on forever. The only way to be free of everything 'worldly' is to give up everything you have (including the clothes on your back and your family) and go live in the middle of the sahara as a hermit and spend every waking moment in prayer to God. IS ANYONE PREPARED TO DO THAT?

As for Christian bands luring the worlds youth towards demonic music: has anyone considered that they may actually be luring the youth AWAY from real 'demonic' music like Marilyn Manson by giving them a godly alternative?

 

[heather]

If every scripture is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,), then how can you argue that all music is worldly?

Psalm 150

1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,

5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

Especially with verses like numbers 3, 4, and 5!

 

[Gabe]

Hi Heather,
I think you may have misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make was that Christian Rock or Christian Rap is not any more worldly than any other genre of music that some may consider Godly. If there were modern day instruments around at the times when the psalms were written it could just as easily read:

4 praise Him with tambourine and dancing,
Praise Him with the electric guitar and keyboard

There is nothing more godly about the strings than an electric guitar or the flute when compared to the keyboard. If an anti-Christian or the anti-Christ himself danced, played the harp or crashed cymbols it would not make it godly or it would not suddenly make it inapropriete for you to praise God with such instruments, if this is true with other instruments then it must also apply to the electric guitar. You cannot judge wether music is worldly or godly by its genre, its the intent and the lyrics of the musician that decide this.

God bless

 

[heather]

I'm sorry Gabriel if I offended you with what I posted, but it was in response to turn's article, not your post. Sorry about the mix-up. I agree with what you posted.