[_ Old Earth _] " creatio ex nihilo "

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Let´s hear what you have to say....

 

[jwu]

How about some positive evidence for it?

 

[jwu]

The silence is deafening.

 

[Khristeeanos]

• Genesis 1
  1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

I need no other proof. 8-)

 

[jwu]

So is there other hard evidence of an instant creation 6000 years ago, or do you implicitly concede that there is none and that you don't care about that?

 

[Khristeeanos]

So is there other hard evidence of an instant creation 6000 years ago, or do you implicitly concede that there is none and that you don't care about that?

How can anybody prove any event in history?

Can you prove that Abraham Lincoln was shot while he was president?

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

• Genesis 1
  1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

I need no other proof. 8-)

Yeah Krist!!!! Let ´em have it !!!

 

[jwu]

So is there other hard evidence of an instant creation 6000 years ago, or do you implicitly concede that there is none and that you don't care about that?

How can anybody prove any event in history?

No-one can ever prove anything except in math. 100% certainty exists only in math.

Can you prove that Abraham Lincoln was shot while he was president?

No. I can't prove it, but it can be established to have happened with a very high degree of certainty. It left evidence - a bullet hole in the skull. Such evidence should be there in case of an instantaneous creation of the world too, as well as an absence of evidence of things which indicates an old earth. But what we see is the precise opposite.

 

[ownedbyhim]

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: Mathematics convince me of a creator.

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Hope I've put this in the right place- first post.

I work at a very liberal high school program in Wyoming, and part of the curriculum is a section on evolution. Here's why I don't agree.

Humans share 98% of the DNA that apes (chimps) have. That means that "only" 2% had to mutate in a positive way in order to do so.

There are Three billion (3,000,000,000) base pairs of DNA in every primate, human or ape. So,

3,000,000,000 X .02 = 60,000,000.

Evolutionists belive that they have approximately four million years to work with. So,

60,000,000divided by 4,000,000 = 15 positive mutations PER YEAR to get from ape to human.

Fifteen per year. How many do you hear about yearly, if even one?


No-one can ever prove anything except in math. 100% certainty exists only in math.

Okay, here it is.




Frank

 

[ownedbyhim]

Okay, I'm new here, but I've gotta jump in.

jwu wrote:
No. I can't prove it, but it can be established to have happened with a very high degree of certainty.

How does one go about "proving" the old earth theory? does one have proof of the processes being the same now and four billion years ago? Does one know that those processes haven't changed? What is a "high degree" of certainty? Over fifty percent?

jwu wrote:
It left evidence - a bullet hole in the skull. Such evidence should be there in case of an instantaneous creation of the world too, as well as an absence of evidence of things which indicates an old earth.

This is a matter of interpretation, period. Some will see it one way and others another. No "scientist" was there to see it happen. God was, and He chose to tell Moses about it. Let's see some proof.

Geology is a great tool, but it isn't the be all and end all. If you put your faith in it it becomes religion. I'll put my faith in God's word.

Frank

 

[ownedbyhim]

Faith

Okay, I'm new here, but I've gotta jump in.

jwu wrote:
No. I can't prove it, but it can be established to have happened with a very high degree of certainty.

How does one go about "proving" the old earth theory? does one have proof of the processes being the same now and four billion years ago? Does one know that those processes haven't changed? What is a "high degree" of certainty? Over fifty percent?

jwu wrote:
It left evidence - a bullet hole in the skull. Such evidence should be there in case of an instantaneous creation of the world too, as well as an absence of evidence of things which indicates an old earth.

This is a matter of interpretation, period. Some will see it one way and others another. No "scientist" was there to see it happen. God was, and He chose to tell Moses about it. Let's see some proof.

Geology is a great tool, but it isn't the be all and end all. If you put your faith in it it becomes religion. I'll put my faith in God's word.

Frank

 

[reznwerks]

position

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: Mathematics convince me of a creator.

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Hope I've put this in the right place- first post.

I work at a very liberal high school program in Wyoming, and part of the curriculum is a section on evolution. Here's why I don't agree.

Humans share 98% of the DNA that apes (chimps) have. That means that "only" 2% had to mutate in a positive way in order to do so.

There are Three billion (3,000,000,000) base pairs of DNA in every primate, human or ape. So,

3,000,000,000 X .02 = 60,000,000.

Evolutionists belive that they have approximately four million years to work with. So,

60,000,000divided by 4,000,000 = 15 positive mutations PER YEAR to get from ape to human.

Fifteen per year. How many do you hear about yearly, if even one?


No-one can ever prove anything except in math. 100% certainty exists only in math.

Okay, here it is.


Frank

What exactly do you do at this liberal school in Wyoming? Do you think that somehow you have stumbled on information that is not readily known to those that study biology and evolution? Don't you find it strange that the only people questioning evolution are theists and not many of them. Find my post about 10,000 clergy supporting evolution.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: Faith

Okay, I'm new here, but I've gotta jump in.

jwu wrote:
No. I can't prove it, but it can be established to have happened with a very high degree of certainty.

How does one go about "proving" the old earth theory? does one have proof of the processes being the same now and four billion years ago? Does one know that those processes haven't changed? What is a "high degree" of certainty? Over fifty percent?

jwu wrote:
It left evidence - a bullet hole in the skull. Such evidence should be there in case of an instantaneous creation of the world too, as well as an absence of evidence of things which indicates an old earth.

This is a matter of interpretation, period. Some will see it one way and others another. No "scientist" was there to see it happen. God was, and He chose to tell Moses about it. Let's see some proof.

Geology is a great tool, but it isn't the be all and end all. If you put your faith in it it becomes religion. I'll put my faith in God's word.

Frank

When you complain about a lack of evidence your side has none at all. You see you keep defaulting to God did it when we can't determine his existance and even if we could then we have to prove he was the Christian God. This is no small task in front of you. I suggest you have to crawl before you can walk. Show us proof of the deity first and then prove the intentions.

 

[Khristeeanos]

reznwerks,

The life, death, burrial, and resurrection is proof of God.

 

[peace4all]

Humans share 98% of the DNA that apes (chimps) have. That means that "only" 2% had to mutate in a positive way in order to do so.

There are Three billion (3,000,000,000) base pairs of DNA in every primate, human or ape. So,

3,000,000,000 X .02 = 60,000,000.

Evolutionists belive that they have approximately four million years to work with. So,

60,000,000divided by 4,000,000 = 15 positive mutations PER YEAR to get from ape to human.

HUMANS DIDN'T COME FROM APES!!!!!

Ahhh!!!

Stop saying that. It isn't true. Evolutionists don't say it. so stop saying it!

 

[Khristeeanos]

HUMANS DIDN'T COME FROM APES!!!!!

Ahhh!!!

Stop saying that. It isn't true. Evolutionists don't say it. so stop saying it!

That is right, humans came from the dirt made by the hand of God in the Garden of Eden about 6,000 years ago.

 

[peace4all]

reznwerks,

The life, death, burrial, and resurrection is proof of God.

there is no proof, except for the bible itself, that any of these events ever even occured.
The bible itself is a man made compilation of man made texts, some of which some christian sects believe, some of which others don't believe. Some parts are beleived literally, while others are figureative etc etc..

 

[Khristeeanos]

reznwerks,

The life, death, burrial, and resurrection is proof of God.

there is no proof, except for the bible itself, that any of these events ever even occured.
The bible itself is a man made compilation of man made texts, some of which some christian sects believe, some of which others don't believe. Some parts are beleived literally, while others are figureative etc etc..

The Bible is an eye witness account and a written record.

That would stand up in any court.

 

[reznwerks]

ape

HUMANS DIDN'T COME FROM APES!!!!!

Ahhh!!!

Stop saying that. It isn't true. Evolutionists don't say it. so stop saying it!

That is right, humans came from the dirt made by the hand of God in the Garden of Eden about 6,000 years ago.

I think if there is a God and he thinks then he built man on the ape model. Why start from scratch when something that is 98% identicle is standing right along side? Doesn't it make sense that if you claim God knows all and sees all then he must have known what the outcome would be. No , man is not decended from the apes , as he is an apelike creature. All the physical processes work the same in all mammals and the DNA in man and chimps is better than 98% the same. God didn't make us different he made us similar.Oh by the way, the walls of Jericho are 9000 years old.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Re: ape

HUMANS DIDN'T COME FROM APES!!!!!

Ahhh!!!

Stop saying that. It isn't true. Evolutionists don't say it. so stop saying it!

That is right, humans came from the dirt made by the hand of God in the Garden of Eden about 6,000 years ago.

I think if there is a God and he thinks then he built man on the ape model. Why start from scratch when something that is 98% identicle is standing right along side? Doesn't it make sense that if you claim God knows all and sees all then he must have known what the outcome would be. No , man is not decended from the apes , as he is an apelike creature. All the physical processes work the same in all mammals and the DNA in man and chimps is better than 98% the same. God didn't make us different he made us similar.Oh by the way, the walls of Jericho are 9000 years old.

The universe was created recently, about 6,000 years ago according to the Bible.

Similiar design is more proof of a creator (common Designer) than it is proof of random mutations causing positive change.