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Psalms 19:1 - The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Psalms 97:6 - The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Evolution vs. Intelligent Design: Resources.

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“We may therefore regard matter as being constituted by the regions of space in which the field is extremely intense… There is no place in this new kind of physics both for the field and matter, for the field is the only realityâ€Â
-Einstein (quoted in M. Capek, The Philosophical Impact of Contemporary Physics)

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“The quantum theory asserts that there is no way one can measure some sets of things, like momentum and position, together very accurately... because the consciousness of the experimenter interacts with the experiment itself. Therefore, it becomes possible that the attitude of the experimenter must also influence the outcome of any particular experimentâ€Â.
-Itzhak Bentov’s

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http://www.illustramedia.com/tpppreview.htm

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http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=N ... le&sid=342

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Spontaneous Generation
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/ ... nesis.html

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http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/spongen/spongen.htm

THE SPONTANEOUS GENERATION HYPOTHESIS
(Copyright CRS Quarterly, 2001)

Abstract: As our knowledge of life’s microscopic secrets continues to advance it is instructive to reflect upon the history of the spontaneous generation hypothesis to contemplate whether scientific advancements are indeed progressing as the anti-creationist predicted nearly two decades ago:
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Panspmeria
http://www.panspermia.org/
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The Anthropic Principle
http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main ... %2C00.html
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"The chance emergence of man is like the probability of typing at random a meaningful library of one thousand volumes using the following procedure: Begin with a meaningful phrase, retype it with a few mistakes, make it longer by adding letters; then examine the result to see if the new phrase is meaningful. Repeat this process until the library is complete."
-Murray Eden, Professor of Engineering at M.I.T., Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution
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"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.... As long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think, free to think what they will, freedom can never to be lost, and science can never regress."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2019
Dating in Archaeology: Radiocarbon & Tree-Ring Dating
by Trevor Major, M.Sc., M.A.
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http://www.earthage.org/radio/radiometric_dating.htm
Radiometric Dating
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http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-011.htm
RICHARD LEAKEY'S SKULL 1470
- IMPACT No. 11 February 1974
by Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry
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"Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."
-Socrates, Plato

http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/dinosaurs.shtml

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art.htm

http://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/baugh.htm

http://www.ntskeptics.org/1999/1999octo ... er1999.htm

http://home.texoma.net/~linesden/cem/di ... htm#997296

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... mates.html
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"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth."
-Sherlock Holmes,The Sign of Four (1890)
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"No educated person, not even the most ignorant, could suppose that I meant to arrogate to myself the origination of the doctrine that species had not been independently created."
-Charles Darwin, letter to Professor Baden Powell, 1860
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Haldane's Dilemma
J. B. S. Haldane calculated that new genes become fixed only after 300 generations due to the cost of natural selection [Haldane, 1957]. Since humans and apes differ in 4.8 x 107 genes, there has not been enough time for difference to accumulate. Only 1667 gene substitutions could have occurred if their divergence was 10 million years ago.

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridl ... ldane2.pdf

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/artic ... buttal.htm

http://www.nmsr.org/tccsadbt.htm
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http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm
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http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=C ... ge&pid=164

"...an honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going."
-Francis Crick, agnostic (Life Itself, 1981, p. 88, emphasis added).

"Consider a step-by-step list of [genetic] instructions. A mutation is a change in one of the lines of instructions. So instead of saying, "Take a 1/4-inch nut," a mutation might say, "Take a 3/8-inch nut." Or instead of "Place the round peg in the round hole," we might get "Place the round peg in the square hole" . . . What a mutation cannot do is change all the instructions in one stepâ€â€say, [providing instructions] to build a fax machine instead of a radio" "It was once expected, that the basis of life would be exceedingly simple. That expectation has been smashed. Vision, motion, and other biological functions have proven to be no less sophisticated than television cameras and automobiles. Science has made enormous progress in understanding how the chemistry of life works, but the elegance and complexity of biological systems at the molecular level have paralyzed science's attempt to explain their origins"
-Michael Behe, biochemist. Professor, Pennsylvania's Lehigh University (Darwin's Black Box, 1996, p. 41).

"As recently as twenty-five years ago, a reasonable person weighing the purely scientific evidence on the issue would likely have come down on the side of skepticism [regarding a Creator]. That is no longer the case. Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis. It is the simplest and most obvious solution . . ."
-Patrick Glynn, former atheist(God: The Evidence, 1997, pp. 54-55, 53).

"The basic flaw of all evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate by itself [through matter] . . . The information theorems predict that this will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus [ruled out]" "The coding system used for living beings is optimal from an engineering standpoint. This fact strengthens the argument that it was a case of purposeful design rather that a [lucky] chance"
-Werner Gitt, professor of information systems (Gitt, p. 124).

"This new realm of molecular genetics (is) where we see the most compelling evidence of design on the Earth" (ibid., p. 221).
-Dean Kenyon, biology professor

"Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century" (Denton, p. 358).
-Michael Denton, scientist and agnostic

"Every history of the twentieth century lists three thinkers as preeminent in influence: Darwin, Marx and Freud. All three were regarded as 'scientific' (and hence far more reliable than anything 'religious') in their heyday. " "Yet Marx and Freud have fallen, and even their dwindling bands of followers no longer claim that their insights were based on any methodology remotely comparable to that of experimental science. I am convinced that Darwin is next on the block. His fall will be by far the mightiest of the three" Professor Johnson (Johnson, p. 113).

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http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB ... ew&id=2177
PROCEEDINGS OF THE BIOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF WASHINGTON
117(2):213-239. 2004
The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories
Stephen C. Meyer

Introduction

In a recent volume of the Vienna Series in a Theoretical Biology (2003), Gerd B. Muller and Stuart Newman argue that what they call the “origination of organismal form†remains an unsolved problem."

"They insist that “the molecular mechanisms that bring about biological form in modern day embryos should not be confused†with the causes responsible for the origin (or “originationâ€Â) of novel biological forms during the history of life."
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A CRITIQUE OF
DARWIN'S THEORY OF EVOLUTION (Part 1)
by Alex PATERSON
http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/sci ... tique1.htm
Updated: 26 December 2003

"It is clear that the physical Universe, including life on Earth, is an evolutionary process. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is but just one theory as to how this process occurred with regard to the evolution of 'life' on this planet and is considered by most educated humans to be a self-evident fact, yet, rather surprisingly, careful scrutiny reveals a dearth of empirical scientific evidence to support it. (1)

If there were ever a case of "never letting the truth get in the way of a good story" then this would appear to be such a case."
-Alex Paterson (August 1999)
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http://human-nature.com/dm/chap4.html
Darwin's Metaphor:
Nature's Place in Victorian Culture
by Robert M. Young

Darwin's theory became hybridized and partially transmuted into a mongrel breed. Finally, it will be suggested that On the Origin of Species, like the works of Lyell, Chambers, Powell, and Spencer before it, was really more effective in eliciting faith in the philosophical principle of the uniformity of nature than in providing an acceptable mechanism for evolutionary change.
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Leonard Magruder
Magruder44@aol.com
v-v-a-r.org
1-785-312-9303

Lets review in this letter some of the problems that old line biologists, with the help of the media, are trying to keep covered up . For openers, in a recent lead article in the American Spectator, Dr. Jonathan Wells, a Ph.D in molecular and cell biology from the University of California - Berkeley, shows where almost all of the textbooks used in high schools and colleges have for decades repeated material as scientific fact which were discredited by scientists themselves decades ago, material which is crucial to the case for evolution being true.

One of these icons is the 1953 Miller-Urey experiment, which continues to appear in textbooks as proof that life evolved from lifeless matter. All scientists today view this experiment as fatally flawed and the whole idea at a dead end. Another well known evolutionary icon still being presented as scientific fact is the Darwinian tree of life according to which all modern species evolved gradually from a universal common ancestor. But the fossil record, according to Stephen Jay Gould, perhaps the world's foremost evolutionist, shows that the major groups of animals appeared all at once, fully formed, with no evidence of earlier ancestry.
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http://designeduniverse.com/articles/Ev ... ution.html
The basis of a valid scientific theory is that it be able to explain all the scientific data in the field it is concerned with and that no evidence contradicting the theory be true. This is a harsh test, but one which all legitimate scientific theories must pass. This is a test which the theory of evolution has failed in spades as the following abundantly shows.
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http://www.christianwebsite.com/cgi-bin ... i?ID=85559

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http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org/ageoftheearth-p2.html
Standard geological publications put current erosion rates at between 6 to 1900 cm per 1000 years. Most of the eroded material is carried away by rivers, and ends up as sediment in the oceans. Even at the lower figure of 6 cm per 1000 years, it would take a mere 10.2 million years for the continents to be eroded down to sea level. (The continents would have eroded down to sea-level 340 times in the time period that they supposedly existed.)
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http://www.christianwebsite.com/cgi-bin ... i?ID=85559

Drumlins and Diluvial Currents
by Douglas E. Cox
[Originally published in the Creation Research Society Quarterly, Volume 16(3):154-162, December 1979.]

Introduction
Drumlins are elongated hills, with streamlined shape. They occur in groups with similar orientation. The name "drumlin" is Irish, and there are thousands of them in that country. In 1865 the drumlins of Ireland were attributed to glacial movement by H.M. Close. Since then, almost all writers on the subject of drumlins have assumed they are of glacial origin, although no mechanism for drumlin formation by ice action has been discovered.
When considered as the effects of currents of the deluge, drumlins can be quite easily explained. Their distribution patterns provide information about the way in which the flood waters retreated from the land.

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Attorney's personal questions led to doubts about evolution
Evolution, intelligent design proponents share viewpoints
By Dave Ranney, Journal-World
Sunday, May 1, 2005
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http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/
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Let's start here with pictures of what look to be dinosaur tracks and human footprints...in the same layer of stone....
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/creati ... prints.HTM

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

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http://biz.yahoo.com/law/041112/c0d1e87 ... 80f_1.html

SUMMARY:
Calling evolution "a theory in crisis," more than 24 scientists have come to the defense of the Cobb County, GA, Board of Education. The scientists, all PhDs, portray evolution as "a live and growing scientific controversy."
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http://evolution-facts.org/introductory ... tion_1.htm
Introductory: Scientists Speak about Evolution
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http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/P ... Fakest.pdf
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http://www.cryingvoice.com/Evolution/fossils.html
Fossils could be the most important evidence of evolution in the past, but in the last 150 years only fossils disproving evolution have been found
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http://designeduniverse.com/articles/Ev ... ution.html
Biology Disproving Evolution
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http://www.frankcaw.com/science.html
Scientists and mathematicians have applied the mathematical laws of probability to the known facts of biology, and have concluded that the odds against the organized complexity of our biological world evolving through blind chance are so astronomical as to be virtually impossible. In other words, for all practical purposes, evolution is mathematically impossible.
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http://www.ghgcorp.com/hollaway/isevolut.htm
Science is knowledge. Scientific methods include measurement, observation, and repeatability. Evolutionists admit their theory cannot be measured, nor has it been observed, or repeated. Evolution defies proven physical laws.
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http://evolution-facts.org/c01a.htm
A fully modern human skeleton was found in the French Caribbean island of Guadeloupe inside an immense slab of limestone, dated by modern geologists at 28 million years old.

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/13anc03.htm
The Guadeloupe woman. In 1812, on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, a fully human skeleton was found, lacking only the head and feet. It was found inside extremely hard, very old limestone, which was part of a formation over a mile in length. In accordance with their theory, evolutionists date that rock at 25 million years! You will not find the Guadeloupe woman mentioned in the textbooks, since this find would disprove evolutionary strata dating.
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http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_chap3_mutations.asp
When one looks at all the textbook examples of evolution, there are none that cause an addition of new genetic (DNA) information. All appear to be downhill (information-losing) processes, contrary to what evolution requires.
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http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/evid2.htm
But, let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that a beneficial mutation might occur; still the fact remains that for every beneficial mutation there will be hundreds of harmful ones so that the net effect, or result, over time will be that the harmful mutations always win and will ultimately cause the organism, or even species, to degenerate or die.
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http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/se ... ec10-4.htm
Science has never witnessed to any degree an organism developing a new organ through mutations. All mutations are destructive, not constructive.
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http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/artic ... n_rate.htm
...evolution requires "beneficial" mutations to build up such that new features and organs can arise (I say "beneficial" loosely, since there are no known examples where a mutation added information to the genome...
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http://www.carmical.net/articles/monkey.html
In fact, it appears that in their eagerness to push the human-chimp common ancestry myth, the evolutionists spoke too soon. Recent studies as of 2003 have shown that the difference between human and chimp DNA is not a mere 1 or 2 percent but at least 15
percent. It must also be noted that chimpanzees have 24 pairs of chromosomes and humans have 23 pairs, so there is a
definite discontinuity.
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20030626/01
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Finding Darwin's God
A conversation with biologist Ken Miller.
Interview by Karl W. Giberson
http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2004/001/18.40.html

Ken Miller is professor of biology at Brown University. In addition to his specialized research, Millerâ€â€a practicing Roman Catholicâ€â€is the author of Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution (HarperCollins, 1999). He is also the coauthor of a series of high school and college texts and has frequently debated opponents of evolution (see http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/). Karl Giberson spoke with Miller about his faith, his public role as a defender of evolution, and the integrity of science.
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Source URL: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/dec/04121308.html
LifeSiteNews.com
Monday December 13, 2004
Prominent Atheist "Discovers" Aquinas' Proof for the Existence of "a god"
Only 750 years behind the times
December 13, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com)
- Professor Antony Flew, a leading proponent of atheism and defender of Darwinian Evolution, has re-invented the philosophical wheel and announced that he has come to believe in God, or more precisely, in the existence of a god, based on evidence of creation.
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http://www.geocities.com/prasarns/
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http://www.grisda.org/origins/15075.htm

THOSE GAPS IN THE SEDIMENTARY LAYERS
Ariel A. Roth
Geoscience Research Institute
Origins 15(2):75-92 (1988).
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The Plasma Theory puts paid to The Theory of Evolution.

http://www.plasmacosmology.net/spec.html

http://www.quantavolution.org/vol_15/tabcon.htm

http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/universe.html

http://www.plasmacosmology.net/spec.html

http://www.ipr.res.in/~saroj/onlineres/ppresource.html

http://www.metaresearch.org/cosmology/g ... -twins.asp

http://www.kronia.com/electric.html

http://www.rucus.ru.ac.za/~wolfman/Grap ... nation.gif

http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~wolfman/Essays/Moon/nomoon.html

http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/cruithne.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s ... 91029.html

http://newton.dm.unipi.it/cgi-bin/neody ... ist:0;main

http://www.answers.com/topic/plasma-stealth
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/plasma/
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/venus2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_at_ ... e_(physics)

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/ ... ectric.htm

http://www.electric-universe.de/the_idea.html

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... urrent.htm

http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/

http://www.ldolphin.org/barrychron.html

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http://www.plasmacosmology.net/electric.html

The Electric Universe

PC versus EU

The Electric Universe is a variant of Plasma Cosmology, and it is necessary to differentiate between the two. While they share more similarities than differences, it should be noted that EU ideas tend to go a step further than the generally more conservative approach of Plasma Cosmology.

While both viewpoints permit many ideas previously excluded by Big Bang Cosmology, Electric Universe supporters promote more radical ideas about the role of electricity in the universe, and also support a number of ideas based on Veliskovkian style catastrophism.

Both PC and EU proponents acknowledge the fact that space is NOT electrically neutral, a fact largely denied in conventional astronomy

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http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html Please note that the author did not do his own on-site research or investigation.

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/
The Boat Shaped Object on Doomsday Mountain
On June 20, 1987, the Turkish government officially dedicated an area in eastern Turkey as the site of Noah’s Ark.
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1. What fossil record is there of any transitional fossils indicating that one order evolved into another order?

2. Is there any evidence of a order that was at one time a different order? I recognize that there is adaptation within an order, different breeds of dogs for example, but I don't know of any case where there is any evidence of a dog becoming a horse.

3. What scientific evidence is there to support a natural origin of life? (The evolutionist may point to the Miller-Urey experiments in 1953, much celebrated at the time. They initially said they had reproduced the precise conditions under which in the primordial soup life could have arisen. But after experts looked at it, it turned out that there was frequent human intervention and had the process been left to itself, it could not have worked. In short, there is no evidence.)

4. How does one support the conclusion of the American Society of Biological Teachers that evolution is "unsupervised, impersonal and
random?" What scientific (as opposed to philosophical) basis is there for this statement?

5. (A follow-up question for 4) Is this not inconsistent with discoveries about DNA, which indicate that there is a mathematical formula determining the complexity of human beings? Do mathematical formulas have naturalistic origins?

6. How do we reconcile the second law of thermodynamics with the universe as we know it? If the universe is indeed winding down, does
that not presuppose that sometime and by some means it was being wound up? By what means?

7. What is your answer to Dr. Michael Behe's findings (Darwin's Black Box) about the irreducible complexity of the cell structure, that is,
his mousetrap example? All the parts of a cell had to work at once otherwise the cell doesn't work.Thus evolution of one part at a time
is not reasonable.

8. What caused the Big Bang?

9. What did Einstein mean when he said, "God does not play dice with the cosmos?" If he considered evidence of intelligence in the
universe, why shouldn't we?

10. What evidence is there for genetic mutations that increase the biologically useful information of the genome? Or to put it another
way:What evidence is there for genetic mutations facilitating macroevolutionary change?

http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Sect ... ntID=13128
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http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/5crises.html
Probe Ministries
The Five Crises in Evolutionary Theory
Dr. Ray Bohlin
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Access Research Network
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http://www.crisismagazine.com/julaug2003/feature1.htm

Does Science Point to God?
Part II: The Christian Critics
By Benjamin D. Wiker

Author's note: In the first part of this article, "Does Science Point to God? The Intelligent Design Revolution" (April 2003), I focused on
Intelligent Design (ID) as a scientific revolution. In this article, I will get at the importance of the ID movement from a different angle. What
happens if we just ignore the ID challenge to evolutionary theory, accept the status quo, and accommodate ourselves to Darwinism? As we shall see, the price of indiscriminate accommodationism to Darwinism is rather high indeed.
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http://www.ewtn.com/library/HUMANITY/FR93204.TXT
Molecular Biology and Evolution: The Crisis and the Challenge
Thomas B. Fowler, SC.D.
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http://www.megabaud.fi/~lampola/english ... ences.html
17 EVIDENCES AGAINST EVOLUTION
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http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/
Evolution vs. Design: Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display
Intelligent Design?
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Scientific Materialism, Intelligent Design, and the Cosmological Argument
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ15.HTM#CREATI ... 20ARTICLES

http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/bo ... 0917561528
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http://sloppynoodle.com/csotalk2-7.shtml

So how do you tell the age of a fossil, rocks, dinosaurs and the Earth ?

You can’t. There is no scientific method that can give absolute dates for a fossil, a rock, a dinosaur or the Earth :

· Rocks cannot scientifically be dated by their appearance (supposedly old rocks do not necessarily look old, neither do supposedly young rocks look young)

· Rocks cannot scientifically be dated by their petrological character

· Rocks cannot scientifically be dated by their mineral contents

· Rocks are not necessarily dated by their structural features

· Rocks are not dated by their adjacent rocks

· Rocks are not dated by vertical superposition

· Rocks are not dated radiometrically (many people mistakenly believe evolutionists determine the age of rocks from the study of the radioactive elements in the rocks)

· Rocks cannot scientifically be dated by any physical characteristics at all (there is nothing at all in the physical appearance or content of a rock that can be used to determine its age)

· Rocks are not dated by their total fossil contents (many fossils are the remains of animals and plants kinds that are still alive today. This makes the fossils useless as indicators of a rock’s age)

So how do evolutionists actually know the age of fossils, rocks, dinosaurs and the Earth …? They don’t.
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http://www.specialtyinterests.net/heinsohn.html
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http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/13anc03.htm
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http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-118.htm

Thursday
May 5, 2005 Institute for Creation Research

DID LANDSCAPES EVOLVE?
- IMPACT No. 118 April 1983
by Steven A. Austin, Ph.D.
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GEOLOGICAL CHANGES AND TIME
Ariel A. Roth
Geoscience Research Institute
Origins 3(2):106-108 (1976).
http://www.grisda.org/origins/03106.htm
LITERATURE REVIEW
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3220633.stm
Row erupts over 'life-starter' vents
By Paul Rincon
BBC science
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=104
Evolution: Theory Or Fact?
Scientists comments on the scientific basis of Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Darwin's theory of evolution is exactly that: a theory, with little in the way of hard scientific evidence to back it up. Yet it has been accepted almost as an article of faith in the modern world. However, as the following shows there are many within the scientific community who have voiced serious doubts over what still remains no more than a theory.
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http://www.arn.org/docs/abstasis.htm

"Charles Darwin was well aware that scientists could come to directly opposite conclusions from those set forth in his Origin of Species. Although his theory could account for minor evolutionary change and the diversity of finches, Darwin knew that he had to virtually ignore the natural history of life on earth in order to maintain any hope of accounting for the origin of the phyla and the major disparity between arthropods and anthropologists."
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"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
-Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species
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"Attempts to detect adaptive evolution at the molecular level have met with little success."
-Paul Sharp
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"The educated public continues to believe that Darwin has provided all the relevant answers by the magic formula of random mutation plus natural selection - quite unaware of the fact that random mutations turned out to be irrelevant and natural selection a tautology."
-Arthur Koestler in Janus
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" I find no convincing evidence that atoms or molecules spontaneously form into all the necessary building blocks (amino acids, purines, pyrimidines, sugars, etc.) of living organisms, nor that those building blocks have innate properties that would cause them to form the informational molecules that are essential to life."
-Gordon C. Mills
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"This view of phylo-development introduces a major insight into the Origin of Species and where Darwin went wrong. Phylo-development holds that the observed phyletic trend is downward, from the topmost taxonomic categories to the lowest-species. Species have their origin in higher taxonomic levels of the lineage and also in sister species. Species signal that the lineage has arrived at the end of the line. Because speciation is so rampant today, however, Darwin assumed, and his followers followed suit, that species are and always have been the beginning of phyletic lineages. They all assumed that species are the origin of lineages, which then supposedly rise to higher taxonomic levels; i. e., that phyletic lineages evolve upwards. Not so. Such upward trends have never been observed, and never will be according to the developmental perspective because lineages develop from the top down."
-Robert F. DeHaan
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"Yet, the great truth that we fail to recognize today is the fact that the modern scientist who has evolved his thinking out of the Darwinist dark ages, now shares the plight of the religious visionary/mystic, in that both are equally ignored by those who champion their cause in the world."
-Allan Cronshaw Jr.

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“Consider the enormousness of the problem: Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks, what cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter and energy into the universe? Was the universe created out of nothing or was it gathered together out of pre-existing materials? And science cannot answer these questions... It is not a matter of another year, another decade of work, another measurement, or another theory. At this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creationâ€Â.
-Robert Jastrow, astrophysicist , NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies
 
One of the hazards of indiscriminate cut-and-paste, is you don't know what you're actually putting up for discussion. Kenneth Miller is both a committed Christian and an evolutionist.

Since you didn't actually post any arguments but these below, we'll dispose of them for you.

1. What fossil record is there of any transitional fossils indicating that one order evolved into another order?

Better than that, we can show transitional fossils demonstrating one class evolving into another. The reptile/mammal transition is, for example, abundantly demonstrated in the fossil record. Would you like to see some of it?

2. Is there any evidence of a order that was at one time a different order? I recognize that there is adaptation within an order, different breeds of dogs for example, but I don't know of any case where there is any evidence of a dog becoming a horse.

How about a line of reptiles evolving into mammals?

3. What scientific evidence is there to support a natural origin of life? (The evolutionist may point to the Miller-Urey experiments in 1953, much celebrated at the time. They initially said they had reproduced the precise conditions under which in the primordial soup life could have arisen. But after experts looked at it, it turned out that there was frequent human intervention and had the process been left to itself, it could not have worked. In short, there is no evidence.)

Evolutionary theory isn't about the way life began. You're thinking of abiogenesis. But yes, the amino acids found inside the Murchision meteorite confirmed the findings of Miller-Urey.

4. How does one support the conclusion of the American Society of Biological Teachers that evolution is "unsupervised, impersonal and
random?"

The process of mutation is so. However, most evolution is guided by natural selection. Would you like to see some examples?

5. (A follow-up question for 4) Is this not inconsistent with discoveries about DNA, which indicate that there is a mathematical formula determining the complexity of human beings?

Show me that formula. That would be a wonderful thing, if it exists.

Do mathematical formulas have naturalistic origins?

Apparently so. Humans just discover them as we learn more about nature.

6. How do we reconcile the second law of thermodynamics with the universe as we know it? If the universe is indeed winding down, does
that not presuppose that sometime and by some means it was being wound up? By what means?

What do you think the second law of thermodynamics says? So far, we haven't found a case where it doesn't apply.

7. What is your answer to Dr. Michael Behe's findings (Darwin's Black Box) about the irreducible complexity of the cell structure, that is,
his mousetrap example?

I removed the bait platform from a mousetrap. And caught a mouse with it anyway. It's not just his example that's faulty. His biochemical examples all have a number of ways in which they could have evolved. And since we now have directly observed examples of irreducible complexity evolving, it's a moot point.

All the parts of a cell had to work at once otherwise the cell doesn't work.Thus evolution of one part at a time
is not reasonable.

My Pentax *istDS won't work unless we have the technology for solid state electronics, batteries, rare earth optics, computer science, etc. I guess it was impossible to have cameras in the 1800s.

8. What caused the Big Bang?

Evolutionary theory makes no claims about the big bang. If the universe started another way, it would not affect evolutionary theory.

9. What did Einstein mean when he said, "God does not play dice with the cosmos?"

he was discussing his religion.

If he considered evidence of intelligence in the universe, why shouldn't we?

I do. From time to time I actually encounter it on this board. But I would encourage everyone to look to religion as a way of explaining the things beyond the reach of science.

10. What evidence is there for genetic mutations that increase the biologically useful information of the genome?

Genetics. We have quite a number of those. Would you like to see some of them?

Or to put it another way:What evidence is there for genetic mutations facilitating macroevolutionary change?

Directly observed speciations. Every time we check one, it's genetic.
 
evidence

Does Barbarian realize that none of the links posted has any recognition in any noted and recognized body of science? Many posts reference CRS which has been routinely exposed for the blatant misinformation it distributes and its "scientists" have been exposed as either not having recognized degrees, bogus degrees or simply are schooled in another disipline and are not competant to render an informed decision on the subject. It should also be noted that none of the bodies Barbarian used has ever had a scientific paper recognized and published in any notable science publication.
 
Re: evidence

Apology to Barbarian as I mistakenly used his name in my previous post. Below is the corrected post as it was meant to be.

reznwerks said:
Does wrbones realize that none of the links posted has any recognition in any noted and recognized body of science? Many posts reference CRS which has been routinely exposed for the blatant misinformation it distributes and its "scientists" have been exposed as either not having recognized degrees, bogus degrees or simply are schooled in another disipline and are not competant to render an informed decision on the subject. It should also be noted that none of the bodies wrbones used has ever had a scientific paper recognized and published in any notable science publication.
 
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