Dan. 9:27

[JM]

I still don't see the covenant maker in this chpt. as the Antichrist...can someone lay it out for me...one more time...please?

The covenant language used in ch. 9 is classic covenantal language used in the OT by God.

Peace,

jm

 

[Quasar]

I still don't see the covenant maker in this chpt. as the Antichrist...can someone lay it out for me...one more time...please?

The covenant language used in ch. 9 is classic covenantal language used in the OT by God.

Peace,

jm

Greetings JM,

The "he" in Dan.9:27 is mentioned twice, when he makes a covenant with Israel for one week [7 years]. The second "he" is the same one as the first, who breaks his covenant in the middle of the week. He is the Antichrist, who is the same 'abomination that makes desolation Jesus mentions in Mt.24:15.

In 2 Thes.2:3-4, the same person is mentioned again after the Church has departed to be with the Lord [Which Paul refers to as the Day of the Lord], as the lawless one who sets himself up in God's temple as God, whom the Lord will destroy. The same scene is repeated in vss 7-8, after the Church has been taken out of the way, the man lawlessness will be revealed, whom the Lord will destroy.

And in another place, the tribulation is triggered with the revealing of the Antichrist, following the rapture of the Church, and is seen in Rev.6:2 as the rider on the white horse, who is the first seal, of the seven.

Blessings,

Quasar

 

[JM]

Thanks Q.

 

[John the Baptist]

I still don't see the covenant maker in this chpt. as the Antichrist...can someone lay it out for me...one more time...please?

The covenant language used in ch. 9 is classic covenantal language used in the OT by God.

Peace,

jm

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Dan.9
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
[3] And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
[4] And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
[5] We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
[6] Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
[7] O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
[8] O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.
[9] To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
[10] Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
[11] Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
[12] And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
[13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
[14] Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
[15] And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
[16] O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
[17] Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
[18] O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
[19] O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
[20] And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Where is there any detailed antichrist seen here?? From verse 25-27 is an 2300 day study in & of itself! From 27-34 AD is the 'one' spiritual week that Christ was crucified between in that prophecy. (see Ezekiel 4:6 & Numbers 14:34) And that is not even the 70AD slaughter of Ezekiel 9's first prophecy.

---John

 

[Vic C.]

Jason, I know exactly where you are coming from. True, the word usage in vs. 27 is vague. What does confirm represent? We are not told whether "he" is the one who designs the covenant, presents the covenant or just witnesses it's signing or signs it himself... and for good reason. Pinpointing who he or it is would be too easy to spot.

Daniel only tells us he is there to confirm it.

Strong's Ref. # 1396

Romanized gabar
Pronounced gaw-bar'

a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently:

KJV--exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

Yes, it is vague.

If this is not what you are looking for, please read 1 & 2 Maccabees. The root of this passage is in Antiochus.

 

[Quasar]

Daniel 9:27

Hi guys,

Sorry to be so long in posting with you, but I had a bad case of Sciatica which kept me nearly unable to walk. Thank God, it's gone - for now.

There is an endless number of those who attempt to interpret Dan.9:27, as well as vs 26. Which only too many attempt to tie the two together. But they are completely separate. For example, in vs 26, the people of the prince to come, is the Roman general, Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. He is not the Antichrist of vs 27 [Though even in the link I'm going to give you, one of the two expositors believe he is].

http://www.bible-reading.com/490yrs.html#wal_i

It should be noted here also, that the "he" who confirms a covenent with Israel, is the very same "he" as the one who breaks that covenant in the very same verse. For those of you who may think the two "he's" are different people, please tell us why you believe the angel Gabriel refers to two people in the same verse without any kind of identification to differentiate them?. Ref. to: Mt.24:15, 2 Thes;2:3-4 and Rev.6:2.

Meanwhile, my explanation to JM stand as posted, as it is in perfect harmony with at least three other places in Scripture to verify it, which I have already posted.

The only people I know of who thing then"he" in vs 27 is Jesus, are Preterists.

Blessings,

Quasar

 

[John the Baptist]

Genesis 3:15 was the Lamb of God promise, being confirmed in the midst of the week, it was that which was 'finished' of the Eternal Covenant. Revelation 14:6 first part. Even then as man/Christ, he told Mary not to touch Him for He hadn't yet ascended to the Father. (see John 20:17 in the K.J.) Why was that important? He had to know that His sacrifice was 'Confirmed'. Ratified by the Total Godhead!
Approval, to make firm or firmer, to administer the rite of confirmation, verify, corroborate. Take your pick? From Webster's New job.

Surely one can see Christ having His ordination (so to speak) at the start of His ministry in 27 AD with the Father's seal of God/Sonship CONFIRMED at Christ's baptism with the Spirit of God descending [like] a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17 (in part) And Christ was the Lamb slain in the midst of the week, the stoning of Steven finished the week & the Gospel commission was given to the Gentils. 34AD.

---John

PS: Just one more thought, if anyone can find another week (seven year period) in the History of the universe that is this important, let me know? 1 Peter 1:9-12

 

[Vic C.]

Realy? The Bbile indicates it was Cornelius who was the first gentile to be converted. That woud put this supposed end of the week with his conversion, not Stephen's stoning.

 

[John the Baptist]

Genesis 3:15 was the Lamb of God promise, being confirmed in the midst of the week, it was that which was 'finished' of the Eternal Covenant. Revelation 14:6 first part. Even then as man/Christ, he told Mary not to touch Him for He hadn't yet ascended to the Father. (see John 20:17 in the K.J.) Why was that important? He had to know that His sacrifice was 'Confirmed'. Ratified by the Total Godhead!
Approval, to make firm or firmer, to administer the rite of confirmation, verify, corroborate. Take your pick? From Webster's New job.

Surely one can see Christ having His ordination (so to speak) at the start of His ministry in 27 AD with the Father's seal of God/Sonship CONFIRMED at Christ's baptism with the Spirit of God descending [like] a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17 (in part) And Christ was the Lamb slain in the midst of the week, the stoning of Steven finished the week & the Gospel commission was given to the Gentils. 34AD.

---John

PS: Just one more thought, if anyone can find another week (seven year period) in the History of the universe that is this important, let me know? 1 Peter 1:9-12

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Realy? The Bbile indicates it was Cornelius who was the first gentile to be converted. That woud put this supposed end of the week with his conversion, not Stephen's stoning.
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John here:
Are you putting words into my mouth? Or are you telling us that this 'week' is not the most important 7 year prophecy in the history of mankind + the angels? Or perhaps you are saying that the Baptism of Christ was just like all folks baptism? Whatever??

And about the Gentiles, who right after Steven' execution, (34 AD) was present in Acts 7:58, & Converted in Acts 9:6, and was chosen by Christ as the Evangelist to the Gentils in Acts 9:15-16? (35 AD)

And on just one side issue: The spell/check is working isn't it? :

 

[Vic C.]

John here:
Are you putting words into my mouth? Or are you telling us that this 'week' is not the most important 7 year prophecy in the history of mankind + the angels? Or perhaps you are saying that the Baptism of Christ was just like all folks baptism? Whatever??

And about the Gentiles, who right after Steven' execution, (34 AD) was present in Acts 7:58, & Converted in Acts 9:6, and was chosen by Christ as the Evangelist to the Gentils in Acts 9:15-16? (35 AD)

Hello N.B.

No, I am not putting words into your mouth. That would constitute a misquote and I never even quoted you. I posted what I read after rereading that portion of Acts. Actually if you want to know, it was Newton who first mentioned Cornelius as being the first gentile, thus completing the week.

Ok N.B., who was it that was converted in Acts 9:6? It was Saul [Paul]. Was he a gentile? No. He was given the task of ministering to the gentiles, so he doesn't count as a gentile convert. I bet Cornelius was converted before Paul converted anyone.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000920.htm

I will look into the spellcheck. But be nice or I will have to tell your family you've been climbing up in them trees again. :

 

[Quasar]

Thread subject

Quote by John:

>>>Surely one can see Christ having His ordination (so to speak) at the start of His ministry in 27 AD with the Father's seal of God/Sonship CONFIRMED at Christ's baptism with the Spirit of God descending [like] a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17 (in part) And Christ was the Lamb slain in the midst of the week, the stoning of Steven finished the week & the Gospel commission was given to the Gentils. 34AD.<<<


What you are suggesting is that the "he" of Dan.9:27 is Jesus, who in the middle of the week [the same"he"], breaks His own covenant and sets up an abomination of desolation in the temple of God. Which is right off the wall!

This is not the covenant Jesus made for the first time in Lk.22:20, and it is crystal clear, the "he" of the passage, mentioned twice, is the same person, Jesus refers to in Mt.24:15. No, that passage does not say the "he" of it is the Antichrist, but the Bible determines that as fact in the timing of when he is revealed, in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and again in verses7-8, as well as the rider of the white horse, the first seal of Rev.6:2. He is without any doubt whatever, the Antichrist.

 

[John the Baptist]

John here:
Are you putting words into my mouth? Or are you telling us that this 'week' is not the most important 7 year prophecy in the history of mankind + the angels? Or perhaps you are saying that the Baptism of Christ was just like all folks baptism? Whatever??

And about the Gentiles, who right after Steven' execution, (34 AD) was present in Acts 7:58, & Converted in Acts 9:6, and was chosen by Christ as the Evangelist to the Gentils in Acts 9:15-16? (35 AD)

Hello N.B.

No, I am not putting words into your mouth. That would constitute a misquote and I never even quoted you. I posted what I read after rereading that portion of Acts. Actually if you want to know, it was Newton who first mentioned Cornelius as being the first gentile, thus completing the week.

Ok N.B., who was it that was converted in Acts 9:6? It was Saul [Paul]. Was he a gentile? No. He was given the task of ministering to the gentiles, so he doesn't count as a gentile convert. I bet Cornelius was converted before Paul converted anyone.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000920.htm

I will look into the spellcheck. But be nice or I will have to tell your family you've been climbing up in them trees again. :

*****

You still miss the 'Convert' that Christ choose to take the Everlasting Gospel too the Gentils. Showing that the old candlestick was 'removed' at Stevens death! Check Revelation 2:5 again for the FINISHED week! See James 1:15 for when finished.

Who [wonders] that the Remnant were from old Israel, not me! : And who cares who the first Gentil is who was baptised, not me. Acts 2:41-47 was past! Israel's cup was full as a nation before Paul, or Christ would not have Saul (Paul) sent to the Church that He had just before His departure given the Key of the Kingdom to! Matthew 18:14-18. See Acts 9:13-18

It is even Truthful to see that Christ did not heal Saul or give him order's Himself, (except telling him what he MUST DO!) but sent him to His New Church for healing & instruction! Ask yourself WHY??

There is a lesson in this 'week' (Or Seven Times) for all people who are Mature Christians, or who are in 'Mature in' its obstruction. (James 1:15 - 1 John 5:16-17) Christ was here in person doing what the Holy Spirit had done in Acts 2. It also had been seen in the past & the future (Noah Genesis 6:3 with Striving of the Holy Spirits last time)) Christ in Person finds a Matthew 23:38 DESOLATE HOUSE. Then again in Matthew 25:10, a CLOSED DOOR. Also see John 9:39 for what Christ tells His ex/fold.

The Thess. Shaking has been another 'seven' time period repeat. 666 will be the last time period. All firm or fatal Mature times has seen Mature decisions met! (1844 was another such time period)
Today, it doesn't take much 'knowledge' to realize that we are in another such [individual] time period for many! (compare Hosea 4:6 K.J. and Revelation 3:16-17 & Revelation 18:4) Look at the people of the world and their satanic 'works'. And even nature is being cut loose of God. Isaiah 5:5 for the comparison! When the Holy Spirit is loosed from folks, they are under the control of the devil. While others receive an Refreshing! See Acts 2:15-21 again! BUT ESPECIALLY SEE Acts 3:19's 'Refreshing' in the K.J.

And Seven Times? Check out Leviticus 16:15 which was done on the day of Atonement (only once a year) representing what is the last Finished work of Christ before He stands up in Daniel 12:1 FOR THE LAST TIME. When the plagues come all probation is all over! And we that are saved? we will be alive & living without our High Priest Jesus.

But notice the same day of Atonement in the next chapter? Leviticus 17: 8-9
It even mentions us, huh? Strangers (Gentils) But the point here is that when they (or we) pass on this 'Lamb of God' offering on the 'seven spots' on the day of Atonement, we see that.. 'even that man shall be cut off from among his people'! Read again Leviticus 16:14-15 & Leviticus 16:19.
Actually, all sin's of the ones who died in the 'Faith' are still recorded until this work of Christ is done. Forgiven in faith? Surely, yet, they are all recorded in the heavenly record books until Christ work is over. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Revelation 20:12-14 (these here are DEAD, and standing only by record books) See Daniel 7:9-10 with 1 Corinthians 6:2-3.

And your remark of family? Yes, I see your family of 'mods' growing to a large number!: Hay, and I realize what is down the road a piece? Or sooner, huh? Yet, please pay attention! Ask yourself why it is that I say, or post as I do? Be nice you say with an wink?? Do you actually think that you can tell of my reason for 'posting' the above, even???
I have many very good friends that are inside of the Revelation 17:5 ones that I love dearly! (Even Blood family) And my Master, Christ?? Do I really love Him?? See Ezekiel 18:23-25 & Ezekiel 33:6-9

The last verse of Ezek 33:6-9? Surely, there are some forums that will do the work against God & His servants, so that it is harder to get His WARNING MESSAGE out, huh? See Ezekiel 34:1-10 for even the 'Shepherds' who perhaps might be compared to the many 'mods' who seem to desire to want to censor Gods work?? (that is with a question mark, yet we know that some are still in my in-box.

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

Re: Thread subject

Quote by John:

>>>Surely one can see Christ having His ordination (so to speak) at the start of His ministry in 27 AD with the Father's seal of God/Sonship CONFIRMED at Christ's baptism with the Spirit of God descending [like] a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17 (in part) And Christ was the Lamb slain in the midst of the week, the stoning of Steven finished the week & the Gospel commission was given to the Gentils. 34AD.<<<


What you are suggesting is that the "he" of Dan.9:27 is Jesus, who in the middle of the week [the same"he"], breaks His own covenant and sets up an abomination of desolation in the temple of God. Which is right off the wall!

This is not the covenant Jesus made for the first time in Lk.22:20, and it is crystal clear, the "he" of the passage, mentioned twice, is the same person, Jesus refers to in Mt.24:15. No, that passage does not say the "he" of it is the Antichrist, but the Bible determines that as fact in the timing of when he is revealed, in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and again in verses7-8, as well as the rider of the white horse, the first seal of Rev.6:2. He is without any doubt whatever, the Antichrist.

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Hi again: We do not get along well with our conversing. Perhaps it is my ignorance? But regardless, I will just let you remark go, with only saying this below. :

The law (Covenant) is what we do not agree on. One is Eternal, (Hebrews 13:20) another was added because of sin. Galations 3:19 [IT] WAS [FINISHED].

---John

 

[gwynedd1]

Re: Thread subject

Quote by John:

>>>Surely one can see Christ having His ordination (so to speak) at the start of His ministry in 27 AD with the Father's seal of God/Sonship CONFIRMED at Christ's baptism with the Spirit of God descending [like] a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17 (in part) And Christ was the Lamb slain in the midst of the week, the stoning of Steven finished the week & the Gospel commission was given to the Gentils. 34AD.<<<


What you are suggesting is that the "he" of Dan.9:27 is Jesus, who in the middle of the week [the same"he"], breaks His own covenant and sets up an abomination of desolation in the temple of God. Which is right off the wall!

This is not the covenant Jesus made for the first time in Lk.22:20, and it is crystal clear, the "he" of the passage, mentioned twice, is the same person, Jesus refers to in Mt.24:15. No, that passage does not say the "he" of it is the Antichrist, but the Bible determines that as fact in the timing of when he is revealed, in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and again in verses7-8, as well as the rider of the white horse, the first seal of Rev.6:2. He is without any doubt whatever, the Antichrist.

You are mixing up offering to cease and desolation.He and one appear to be very different entities. Read the verse again and then let me show you a few things.

27: And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Does Christ cause offering to cease midweek or 30 AD?

Mark 15
38: And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.
39: And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"

Hebrews 10
8: When he said above, "Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law),
9: then he added, "Lo, I have come to do thy will." He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.
10: And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Still not convinced? Here may be an unexpected source. The Talmud records a significant disturbance at the temple starting 30AD until 70AD its destruction.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm

What about the "upon the wing of abominations"?

The Roman standard was the eagles wings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Roman_aquila.jpg

Josephus "Wars of the Jews, The Destruction of Jerusalem"
Book 6
Chapter 6

1. AND now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple (24) and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator (25) with the greatest acclamations of joy.

 

[gwynedd1]

John here:
Are you putting words into my mouth? Or are you telling us that this 'week' is not the most important 7 year prophecy in the history of mankind + the angels? Or perhaps you are saying that the Baptism of Christ was just like all folks baptism? Whatever??

And about the Gentiles, who right after Steven' execution, (34 AD) was present in Acts 7:58, & Converted in Acts 9:6, and was chosen by Christ as the Evangelist to the Gentils in Acts 9:15-16? (35 AD)

Hello N.B.

No, I am not putting words into your mouth. That would constitute a misquote and I never even quoted you. I posted what I read after rereading that portion of Acts. Actually if you want to know, it was Newton who first mentioned Cornelius as being the first gentile, thus completing the week.

Ok N.B., who was it that was converted in Acts 9:6? It was Saul [Paul]. Was he a gentile? No. He was given the task of ministering to the gentiles, so he doesn't count as a gentile convert. I bet Cornelius was converted before Paul converted anyone.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000920.htm

I will look into the spellcheck. But be nice or I will have to tell your family you've been climbing up in them trees again. :

Jesus seemed to indicate that the time was otherwise. However Jesus was about grace not law. Still the time was Israel's

24: He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25: But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me."
26: And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."
27: She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."
28: Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly.

 

[Vic C.]

? Are you speaking to me? If so, I don't understand how this addresses what I posted . Please explain... thanks. 8-)

 

[Vic C.]

Then there is the issue concerning the “he†of verse 27. We have to once again rely on context (close and far) to determine who the “he†is. The “he†cannot refer to the Messiah because (1) he did NOT make a strong covenant FOR 7 YEARS. (2) he did NOT break a 7-year covenant at the midpoint.

There is a natural gap of time between the 69th and the 70th week. It is at least 40 years long. It is found in verse 26: 1. Messiah is cut off that is the end of the 69th week, 2. according to the "messiah" theory, the 70th week must begin immediately with the making of a covenant, 3. but the text does not allow for that. It immediately jumps 40 years from the cutting off of Messiah to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.

Everything in v. 27 happens in regard to the 70th week. That includes the destruction that is poured out on the one who makes desolate.

I an convinced vs. 27 is all about a false Messiah. Jesus covenant was for His believers ans was/is to last eternally, not just for seven years. Where is a seven year covenant even mentioned in the NT? I must have missed it.

I agree, there is a gap, but it's far longer than 40 years. When reading Daniel's prophecy, keep in mind Matthew 24.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Was the Gospel preached thru the whole world during Jesus' ministry or even up to 40 years later?

Was there an abomination of desolation? (think Antiochus)

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Did this (above) happen?

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Was there a gathering, or was there a scattering?

If you answer no to any of these, then there has to be a fulfillment of this prophecy beyond 70AD.

 

[gwynedd1]

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[nol]

For those who believe that there are 7 years remaining of the 70 weeks, at what time of year do you think it will begin? Spring, summer, fall or winter? If the 69th week ended at the significant time of Passover, will the last week (70th) begin at a significant season? And at what season will the 70th week end?

nol

 

[John the Baptist]

This is not really funny, it is very sad. The only good news is, is that who really cares? Let me re/say that? What difference does it make, with time being about over already, for earth's sinful ending.

The 2300 day prophecy is understood about like the eternal burning hell, it appears? Obadiah 1:16. Just maybe these many 'ideas' will still be running around taking up ones time even after the mark of the beast is about over, huh? :

---John