do atheist believe a frog became a human ?

[thesaintman]

can you say me it

 

[Eugene]

Hi thesaintman. My thought is this: if an atheist can believe there is no God even though God has shown them better according to Rom 1:20, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.", they may believe you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear which is an old cliché or saying.
Good to see you back my friend.

 

[Papa Zoom]

I do not believe that the OP describes the views of any atheist I know. Are there even any atheists that visit here on CF?

 

[Wrg1405]

Not sure about frogs, but there is stuff out there that we actually evolved from fish.

Purported by scientists mainly.

 

[Silmarien]

I'm an evolutionist, but not an atheist. I've never heard anyone say humans were descended from frogs. According to evolution, there would presumably have been a common ancestor somewhere, but it wouldn't have looked at all like the modern frog.

 

[Papa Zoom]

I'm a Christian. I used to be a literalist when it comes to Genesis. I no longer believe that Genesis describes what I was taught. There are mysteries. The fossil record proves that fact. Was Adam the first "man?" There is room for differing views here. There seems to have been humanoids before Adam. I think there was a lot of stuff before Adam and Eve. God prepared with world for our arrival. I could be wrong. But it would take a lot of convincing for me to believe that God created everything in a 6 day span. I don't believe it happed that way. I don't know anyone that actually knows how God did it. He likes to surprise us. We see through a glass dimly.

 

[Silmarien]

I'm a Christian. I used to be a literalist when it comes to Genesis. I no longer believe that Genesis describes what I was taught. There are mysteries. The fossil record proves that fact. Was Adam the first "man?" There is room for differing views here. There seems to have been humanoids before Adam. I think there was a lot of stuff before Adam and Eve. God prepared with world for our arrival. I could be wrong. But it would take a lot of convincing for me to believe that God created everything in a 6 day span. I don't believe it happed that way. I don't know anyone that actually knows how God did it. He likes to surprise us. We see through a glass dimly.

I'm not a literalist about anything, but ironically, Genesis 1 is what makes me take the Old Testament at least somewhat seriously! Any revelation would have had to take a form that the ancient Israelites could conceptualize, so no lessons in astrophysics, but it's shockingly close to contemporary science. Cosmocentric, lots of crazy stuff with water until you've got oceans and atmosphere, formation of the continents, life starting in the ocean, humans at the very end. It's not a perfect match, but it'd be a big coincidence. It's a shame that atheists (self included, once upon a time) get caught up over the timeframe, since that's a pretty strong argument right there on page 1.

 

[Papa Zoom]

I'm not a literalist about anything, but ironically, Genesis 1 is what makes me take the Old Testament at least somewhat seriously! Any revelation would have had to take a form that the ancient Israelites could conceptualize, so no lessons in astrophysics, but it's shockingly close to contemporary science. Cosmocentric, lots of crazy stuff with water until you've got oceans and atmosphere, formation of the continents, life starting in the ocean, humans at the very end. It's not a perfect match, but it'd be a big coincidence. It's a shame that atheists (self included, once upon a time) get caught up over the timeframe, since that's a pretty strong argument right there on page 1.

Well said. For some Christians, the age of the earth is a hill to die on. IMO, it's a small hill and not that big an issue. God reveals himself in creation. We're told that in Romans. So I'm pretty sure He didn't want us to notice something that isn't reality. We see a universe expanding and when we back it up we get a Big Bang. Before that, only God knows. When we do the science from the moment of creation, we know how long it takes to get from there to here. Stars long dead still shinning. Stars not visible come into view. God playing tricks? Or is it better to conclude that we're seeing evidence of millions of years? God doesn't play tricks. So I go with what His creation is telling me.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not exactly sure what an atheist believes...

I'm not one of them.

 

[Wrg1405]

I won't go into my thoughts concerning creation other than to say I do not beleive in pre adamic life in any form.

As Papa Zoom says for some creation, the age of the earth is a hill to die on. When people make it a hill to die on it can detract from the bigger picture.

That bigger picture being that at some point this world was created and there was a creator.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I do not believe that the OP describes the views of any atheist I know. Are there even any atheists that visit here on CF?

Hello

 

[Milk-Drops]

Not sure about frogs, but there is stuff out there that we actually evolved from fish.

Purported by scientists mainly.

Not necessarily Fish. Phylogenetically there was a fork where land dwelling organisms diverged from earlier "fish", but its closer to limbed vertebrates then anything we'd call a fish today.