do you believe the rapture has happend ?

[thesaintman]

can you say me it

 

[Nathan]

 

[Eugene]

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I don't know if this will help but the dead bodies of believers remain in their earthly places of burial. Their spirit went up to be with the Lord the moment they left this life.
2 Cor 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Something such as this following scripture will occur.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose . .
My thoughts.

 

[Elisha]

Our earthly bodies are perishable. When we go to meet Jesus, we'll be transformed, in a twinkling of an eye, and given imperishable bodies.

These bodies will be Left Behind.

 

[Edward]

No, the rapture hasn't happened yet. I'm pretty sure that Damascus has to be destroyed before the rapture happens. I think that one of the big things we're looking for to happen which will give us an idea of the season.

 

[JLB]

can you say me it

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


The rapture takes place just after the resurrection of the dead.

This happens at the coming of the Lord, in which every eye will see Him, and the brightness of His coming will destroy the antichrist
[false messiah].




JLB

 

[Free]

There likely is no rapture.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Any other votes? LOL

 

[Corn Pop]

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8


The rapture takes place just after the resurrection of the dead.

This happens at the coming of the Lord, in which every eye will see Him, and the brightness of His coming will destroy the antichrist
[false messiah].




JLB

Your reading it literally.

Do not be shaken in mind by word, letter or Spirit, by what is about to come upon you, and now you know what is restraining and will do so until He is taken out of the way.

Its the spiritual battle believers face when they are baptized and buried with Christ. Saved but dead in Christ until they come to the Truth because there not truely following Christ.

They think God is on a throne judging them when his judgment was poured on Christ, no real faith in Christ, because they follow the commandments, not the Spirit. As Paul said, Once I was alive apart from the law but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.



Its the first thing believers do, try obey and please 'god' by following the commandments not Christ. When its overcome the chains are broken, the falling away comes, and with a free mind Christ is revealed and they walk with Christ in the Kingdom. Dont be shaken in mind by word, letter or Spirit. As Christ said the Kingdom comes without observation and the Kingdom is within Us. There is no man of sin in the Kingdom of God. As too Christ comes without observation when the man of sin is taken out the way with the breath of his mouth for those who overcome.

Where the Spirit is there is Liberty.

He exalts himself in the temple and sits as God. We are the 3rd temple and the veil is torn. As Paul said did you not know you are the temple of God. Its that false image in our heads of a 'god' sitting on a throne judging us, that is the one who sets himself up in the temple so we think he is God, the only accuser is satan. Once we get that image out of our heads we walk in the Spirit with Christ and Christ reveals himself.

Its all in the mind.

"For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."

"To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law."

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

 

[Free]

Your're reading it literally.

And why shouldn't he? You have to give justification as to why he shouldn't. And, no, the rest of your post doesn't show why.

 

[Corn Pop]

And why shouldn't he? You have to give justification as to why he shouldn't. And, no, the rest of your post doesn't show why.

Ok, understanding it literally. Just as people are waiting for some literal man of sin antichrist to come on the scene or some rapture is going to happen.

 

[Free]

Ok, understanding it literally. Just as people are waiting for some literal man of sin to come on the scene or some rapture is going to happen.

Sure. But even literally it doesn't prove that there is a rapture.

 

[Corn Pop]

Sure. But even literally it doesn't prove that there is a rapture.

I dont believe in a rapture. Everything Christ spoke was in parable. There is like a million doctrines out there because people just don't get it.

 

[Free]

I dont believe in a rapture. Everything Christ spoke was in parable.

I can see that you don't believe in a rapture; neither do I. My point was that the passage in question should be taken literally but does not necessarily support the idea of a rapture. And most everything Jesus said was not in parable.

 

[Corn Pop]

I can see that you don't believe in a rapture; neither do I. My point was that the passage in question should be taken literally but does not necessarily support the idea of a rapture. And most everything Jesus said was not in parable.

Im talking the scriptures people use to try support some type of rapture, like two was in the field and one was taken.

 

[Corn Pop]

If people believe the man of sin is a person or some antichrist who will be on earth, they may as well believe a beast with 10 horns and 7 heads is going to come out of the sea.

 

[Chopper]

Any other votes? LOL

 

[Free]

If people believe the man of sin is a person or some antichrist who will be on earth, they may as well believe a beast with 10 horns and 7 heads is going to come out of the sea.

Why? Please justify your argument.

 

[Corn Pop]

Why? Please justify your argument.

Well a man of sin is a man of sin and a beast with 7 heads is a beast with 7 heads.

 

[Free]

Well a man of sin is a man of sin and a beast with 7 heads is a beast with 7 heads.

Would you not agree that there is a significant difference between a beast with seven heads coming out of the sea and a man? You have not justified why believing the man of sin is a literal person is the same as believing in a literal beast with seven heads.