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[_ Old Earth _] Evolution violates the laws of science

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One of the biggest holes in the theory of evolution is the fact that the fundamental laws of science actually work in direct opposition to the processes that would be essential for life to arise from non-living chemicals. The laws of science do not favor evolution; they are diametrically opposed to it.

Now if evolution were actually true, what would it tell us about the natural processes active in our world? First, it would tell us that organic chemicals must have the ability to spontaneously arrange themselves into the highly complex, high-energy chemical polymers that would be essential for the first living cell to operate. It would also tell us that the information systems in living organisms must have the ability to create new information where none has existed before. The first living cell would have had no information in its genetic code on how to construct a heart, or lungs, or limbs, or wings, or feathers. All of that new information would have had to appear out of nothing through random mutations in the genetic code. Without these two natural processes available to it, evolution would be impossible. So when we look at the laws of science we should find one or more fundamental laws that would make these processes possible.

But what we actually find is that one of the fundamental laws of science indicates that exactly the opposite process is active in our world. And that law is the second law of thermodynamics. The second law describes the “entropy†of any given system. The entropy of a system is a mathematical formulation that expresses how much disorder or unavailable energy is present in the system. Basically the second law states that entropy always increases in an isolated system and always tends to increase in an open system. (An open system can exchange matter and energy with its surroundings whereas an isolated system cannot.) In the real world the second law can be expressed in at least three different ways:

1) In Classical Thermodynamics the second law states that there will be an increasing unavailability of energy in the system to do useful work.
2) In Statistical Thermodynamics the law states that there will be increasing disorder, randomness or probability of the arrangement of the components of the system.
3) In Informational Thermodynamics the law states that there will be increasingly confused information or “noise†in the transmission of coded information through the system.

Each of these expressions of the second law has been shown to be mathematically equivalent to the others.

So what does this law tell us about the how our world works? It tells us that everything in our world when left to itself will tend to move toward a state where the least amount of energy is available for work, with the greatest disorder possible, and with the least amount of information present. This is exactly the opposite of what is necessary for evolution to work. Evolution requires high-energy chemical polymers to form spontaneously in order for there to be any chance of a self-replicating cell to arise from non-living chemicals and yet the second law favors the breakdown of high energy molecules into those with lower useable energy. Evolution requires the spontaneous generation of complex information systems within the first cell to hold genetic information and yet the second law favors disorder and randomness. Evolution requires the spontaneous generation of new information within the genome of the first cells that would create new tissues and new organs and yet the second law favors the breakdown of coded information into random noise. You could hardly conceive of a law that is more directly in opposition to the processes that evolutionists claim have brought about all life found on earth.

Now I’m sure that at this point there are evolutionists in this forum who are groaning while reading this post and saying to themselves, “The only reason creationists keep bringing up the second law of thermodynamics is because creationists have no concept of how the second law actually works. The second law allows for local decreases in entropy within a system as long as the overall entropy of the system continues to increase. The formation of crystals proves that ordered systems can arise spontaneously without violating the second law of thermodynamics.â€Â

Now, while it is quite true that the second law does allow for local decreases in entropy, the formation of crystals actually gives no help to the theory of evolution at all. Comparing the formation of crystals to the formation of proteins or DNA and RNA is like comparing apples to oranges. The process of forming crystals is opposite to the formation of polypeptide chains or polynucleotide chains in almost every way. Here’s a comparison of crystal formation to the formation of proteins, DNA and RNA:

Crystals – can form spontaneously given the right temperature conditions
Proteins, DNA/RNA – do not form spontaneously at any temperature

Crystals – release energy to their surroundings when forming and enter a lower energy state
Proteins, DNA/RNA – must absorb energy from their surroundings and enter a higher energy state

Crystals – entropy of the crystal decreases while the entropy of the surroundings increases resulting in an overall increase in entropy
Proteins, DNA/RNA – entropy of both the surroundings and the forming protein, DNA or RNA decreases resulting in an overall decrease in entropy

Crystals – consist of a simple, uniform, repetitive structure that is functionally inert
Proteins, DNA/RNA – consists of a non-repetitive structure that contains specified complexity. Each amino acid in a protein chain must be specified individually in order for the protein to fold into a functional molecular machine. Each nucleotide in a DNA or RNA chain must be individually specified in order for it to contain coded information. The resulting structures are highly functional.

Crystals – contain no information content aside from the simple structure of the crystal lattice
Proteins, DNA/RNA – contain a high degree of specified information

It is obvious that there is no comparison between the process of crystallization and the process of forming proteins, DNA and RNA. Crystal formation works within the second law of thermodynamics but the second law works directly against the spontaneous formation of proteins, DNA and RNA.

Now to try and demonstrate that complexity can form spontaneously, evolutionists always bring up one specific example of crystal formation and that is the formation of snowflakes. It’s true that snowflakes do form into beautiful geometric patterns but does this pattern formation consist of specified complexity? Not at all. When water vapor forms into snow crystals it takes on different geometric shapes depending on the temperature. At temperatures between 0 and 3 degrees Celsius, the snow crystals form into thin hexagonal plates. Between -3 and -5 degrees, the snow crystals form needles at the points of the hexagonal plates. And at -25 to -30 degrees, the crystal shape is a hollow prism. As the forming snowflake falls through the atmosphere it encounters varying temperatures and so a geometric pattern is built up consisting of plates, needles and hollow prisms. Since the snowflake is so small, all six branches of the crystal are affected by the same temperature conditions and so all six branches form identical patterns. So snowflake formation is based entirely on the inherent properties of water molecules and on the random temperature fluctuations that occur as the forming flake falls through the atmosphere. There is no specified complexity involved. But proteins and DNA/RNA have no inherent properties that cause them to spontaneously form polypeptide chains or polynucleotide chains. Proteins and DNA/RNA do not form spontaneously at any temperature. It can also be pointed out that, as with all crystals, snowflakes release energy to their surroundings as they form and enter a lower energy state. They result in an overall increase in entropy of the snowflake plus its surroundings. They contain no information aside from their geometric pattern and they have no functionality. These characteristics are all exactly opposite to proteins and DNA/RNA.

Another example that evolutionists frequently bring up to try and demonstrate the spontaneous generation of complexity is the formation of storms such as hurricanes. Evolutionists state that hurricanes create a swirling aggregation of thunderheads that form complex vortices of airflow that would require sophisticated equations in chaos theory to describe. But does this constitute the same specified complexity that is found in proteins and DNA/RNA. Not at all. Naturalistic processes do have the ability within open systems to form ordered arrangements of molecules, as in crystals, or to create an ordered flow of molecules, as in ocean currents or the vortices of a hurricane, but naturalistic processes have never been observed to create the non-repetitive, specified structure found in the molecular machines of proteins or the coded information of DNA and RNA. Hurricanes contain no coded information and no specified complexity. And of course hurricane generation goes in exactly the opposite thermodynamic direction to the formation of proteins and DNA/RNA. Storm systems are formed through an exothermic process – warm, moist air rises in the atmosphere and the water vapor in the air mass condenses out into clouds and releases its latent heat energy into the surrounding atmosphere. That heat energy is what drives and sustains the hurricane. Its release results in a huge increase in entropy within the storm system. You could almost think of a hurricane as a giant machine whose function is to increase the entropy and disorder of everything it comes in contact with. That is completely opposite to the endothermic process of forming proteins and DNA/RNA. Amino acids and nucleic acids must absorb energy from the surroundings in order to join into chains. The entropy and disorder of both the surroundings and the developing chemical chain must decrease in order to form proteins and DNA/RNA.

But I’m sure that at this point evolutionists will still object and say, “Creationists are completely ignoring the fact that the earth is an open system. Within an open system like the earth the second law of thermodynamics can be locally overcome because there is plenty of energy flowing in from the sun to build up what the second law breaks down and there is plenty of new raw material available for the building. When you place an acorn in the ground and let time pass, the acorn builds itself up from a relatively simple seed into a highly complex oak tree. That is a clear violation of the second law that becomes possible because the tree is growing in an open system.â€Â

I quite agree that living systems do overcome the second law of thermodynamics, at least for a period of time. And I also fully agree that having an open system is essential for overcoming the second law. But an open system alone is not sufficient in itself to overcome the second law. All living systems have three extra, necessary components that are essential for overcoming the second law during the life of the organism. First of all, all living systems have molecular machinery continuously at work that is specifically designed to both build up the organism and repair all damage caused by the second law. Secondly, all living systems also have detailed programming built into their genome that not only tells the organism how to build it own machinery but also how to use that machinery to construct and repair. And lastly, all living systems have an energy conversion system available that can supply a constant and sufficient supply of energy to its molecular machinery in a form that the machines can use. Without these three additional components present, it would be impossible for living organisms to overcome the second law.

Just consider what would happen if you left a dead raccoon out in the sun. We know that the dead critter would still be present in an open system. There would be plenty of energy poring onto the carcass from the sun. There would still be raw material available within the cells of the raccoon. According to evolutionists, this is all that is necessary for overcoming the second law of thermodynamics. And yet the dead raccoon will never spontaneously come back to life. What is missing from the system? Just after death the molecular machinery is still present in the cells of the raccoon. And all the information necessary for running the machinery is still present in the DNA of the cells. What is missing is the continuous and sufficient supply of energy to the machinery of the cells. Those molecular machines require energy in a specific form in order to work. All living organisms on earth primarily use molecules of ATP as little “energy pellets†to drive the machinery of the cell. In the human body every cell contains about a billion molecules of ATP. And every one of those energy molecules is used and then recycled about three times in every minute just to keep the cell’s machinery working. During the course of a day the average person cycles through about 400 pounds of ATP. So without a sufficient supply of ATP, the machinery of the cell just stops working and the second law has free reign to do as it pleases. Within minutes of the raccoon’s death the second law has already produced so much disorder and damage within the critical organs of the body that death becomes irreversible. No amount of medical attention will ever bring the raccoon back to life. So if only one of the four essential components just mentioned is missing, it becomes impossible to build up and maintain high-energy, low-entropy, functional systems containing specified complexity, which is what all living organisms are.

But on the pre-biotic earth there would be three essential components missing. There would be no molecular machinery present, no information system available with instructions for creating and running the machinery, and no energy conversion system working to provide energy in a form that the molecular machines could use. And the second law would work directly against the spontaneous formation of any one of those three essential components. In all the experiments performed so far on the abiogenesis of life, evolutionists haven’t come even remotely close to spontaneously producing even a single functional protein, let alone the information systems present in DNA or the photosynthetic systems that ultimately provide the energy for all living organisms. All that has been accomplished in their experiments so far can be compared to taking just the first step in a journey that goes from here to Pluto.

To show just how poor the evidence that evolutionists have come up with is, let’s take a look at one very well known experiment that has been reported. Sydney Fox performed a series of experiments in which he took pure, concentrated amino acids and heated them while dry or in aqueous solution for several hours until all the water was vaporized. He then tested the chemical results and found that the amino acids had formed polypeptide chains with up to as many as 200 amino acid units. He called these polypeptides, proteinoids.

Now it shouldn’t be surprising that this experiment resulted in the formation of polypeptide chains. After all, that is exactly what Sydney Fox designed the experiment to do. He certainly didn’t start with a mixture of chemicals that would supposedly be present in a pre-biotic soup. He didn’t want to give his amino acids the chance to react with all those other organic chemicals. He took only pure, dry, concentrated and optically active amino acids and then supplied energy to them in the form of heat. He gave the amino acids no choice but to react only with other amino acids. Now the polymerization of amino acids is a condensation reaction that requires the removal of a molecule of water as two amino acids join together. So Sydney Fox specifically favored this result by allowing all the water present in the initial reactants to be removed by vaporization before he tested the chemical results.

Now even under these highly unrealistic conditions that Fox intelligently designed to favor the evolutionary scenario, the so-called “proteinoids†that were produced did not resemble true proteins in any way. When amino acids join together they can form up to four different chemical bonds that are known as alpha, beta, gamma and epsilon-peptide bonds. True proteins found in all living organisms use alpha bonds exclusively. But in the proteinoids from Fox’s experiments it was found that beta, gamma and epsilon bonds predominated over the alpha bonds. It was also found that the proteinoid chains had an almost equal mixture of left and right-handed amino acids whereas true proteins use left-handed amino acids exclusively. There are only a few exceptions found where some bacteria use some right-handed amino acids in their cell walls as a defense mechanism since right-handed amino acids are toxic to other bacteria. So once again the proteinoids showed no resemblance to true proteins. And finally it was found that the polypeptide chains resembled nothing more than random sequences of amino acids that had little or no catalytic activity. In other words they were functionally inert. They certainly weren’t anything resembling the molecular machines that are true proteins. So even in this highly manipulated experiment the results fell completely flat in demonstrating that true proteins could arise spontaneously on a pre-biotic earth.

You know, for hundreds of years many inventors pursued the dream of creating a perpetual motion machine – a machine that would run continuously without the need for fuel of any kind. But every one of their designs failed to work. Up until Rudolph Clausius and Lord Kelvin articulated the second law of thermodynamics in the middle of the 1800s, all those inventors failed to realize that the very laws of science were working against them. During every cycle of an engine the second law states that some of the useable energy present in the engine will be lost to the surroundings. If an engine is continuously losing useable energy, then it becomes impossible for the engine to run forever without being refueled. So the laws of science state that creating a perpetual motion machine is an impossibility. All that the designers of those perpetual motion machines accomplished with all their experiments was to confirm the validity of the second law of thermodynamics over and over again.

And that is all that evolutionists are accomplishing with their experiments in the supposed abiogenesis of life. Their religious faith in materialistic naturalism blinds them to the fact that the very laws of science are working directly against them. They believe with unshakeable faith that naturalistic processes produced all life on earth. So they simply will not accept the fact that the second law is going to thwart them in their goal at every turn. There simply must be a way to recreate the spontaneous generation of proteins and DNA/RNA, their faith tells them so. So they just keep plugging away at the problem. They’ve been working at it for more than 50 years now and they still aren’t even remotely close to spontaneously creating a functional molecular machine like a protein. And it doesn’t matter how many more decades they keep working at it, they will never get any closer. The second law of thermodynamics guarantees their failure. All that their experiments will accomplish will be to confirm over and over again that the spontaneous generation of life is an impossibility.
 
flinx said:
One of the biggest holes in the theory of evolution is the fact that the fundamental laws of science actually work in direct opposition to the processes that would be essential for life to arise from non-living chemicals. The laws of science do not favor evolution; they are diametrically opposed to it.

We can ignore this entire post of probably plagiarized (though I can't say for sure) diatribe.

Becaaaaause: evolution does not discuss life arising from non-living chemicals.

next.
 
flinx said:
One of the biggest holes in the theory of evolution is the fact that the fundamental laws of science actually work in direct opposition to the processes that would be essential for life to arise from non-living chemicals. The laws of science do not favor evolution; they are diametrically opposed to it.

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WoW! This is earth shattering news! Have you notified all the science deptartments worldwide and let them know they are all on the wrong track and you can prove it?
 
Asimov said:
We can ignore this entire post of probably plagiarized (though I can't say for sure) diatribe.

Becaaaaause: evolution does not discuss life arising from non-living chemicals.

next.
This is the standard wimp-out position that evolutionists take whenever the subject of the abiogenesis of life comes up. Evolutionists know how pathetically poor the evidence is for the spontaneous generation of life so they would very much like to avoid the subject if at all possible. So they try to claim that life arising from non-life is outside the theory of evolution. But of course they don’t have the option of making that claim. Just consider what the ultimate purpose of the theory of evolution is. Its purpose is to exclude God or any other intelligence from the equation of life. Its purpose is to provide a completely naturalistic explanation for all life on earth. But if naturalistic processes of matter and energy cannot provide an explanation for the arising of life from non-living chemicals then naturalism fails from the get-go as an adequate explanation for the complexity of life. If evolution can’t explain how life began then there’s no reason to consider it a valid scientific theory.

So the abiogenesis of life is a huge problem for the theory of evolution. Evolutionists have been working for decades trying to demonstrate that life can arise without intelligent intervention but so far they haven’t even got past the first step. All they’ve been able to do is demonstrate that some of the basic building blocks of organic polymers might have been able to arise in the mythical pre-biotic soup. But the second step in the process is the killer step that has completely stymied them. They have no experimental evidence that those basic building blocks can spontaneously arrange themselves into functional protein chains or functional RNA/DNA chains. And based on the second law of thermodynamics I can say with absolute surety that they will never get past this step.

In my last post (which I did write myself) I showed that even under highly unrealistic, intelligently manipulated conditions, evolutionists like Sydney Fox have been unable to produce even a single functional protein chain. In this post I’ll go over just one aspect of the even larger problem that naturalism has in spontaneously producing a functional RNA chain. The basic problem for both protein and RNA production is that of specified complexity. Not only do the individual amino acids or nucleotides have to be uniquely specified along the chain but the chemical bonds between the peptides or nucleotides also have to be specified individually. To make a functional peptide chain all the peptide bonds have to be alpha-peptide bonds and all the peptides have to be left-handed peptides. When it comes to the spontaneous production of RNA the difficulty rises exponentially because there are a multiplicity of chemical bonds that must be uniquely specified in order to create a functional nucleotide chain.

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Every nucleotide is made up of three components: a purine (adenine or guanine) or pyrimidine (uracil or cytosine) base, linked to a right-handed ribose sugar, which is also linked to a phosphate. In all living organisms the nucleotide base always links to the ribose sugar at the C1’ position and the phosphate always links to ribose at the C5’ position. But in the mythical primordial soup a multitude of incorrect chemical links could occur during the spontaneous formation of those RNA chains. In the book The Mystery of Life’s Origin, Thaxton, Bradley and Olsen give a detailed analysis of just how many chemical isomers could be created when joining just two molecules of adenosine monophosphate into a dinucleotide:

Assume initially an aqueous soup consisting of adenine, D-ribose and phosphoric acid. There are 3 sites on adenine (N7, N9 and NH2 attached to C6) which can react with hydroxyl a 5 sites on D-ribose (C1’-alpha, C1’-beta, C2’, C3’, and C5’) which gives rise to 15 structural isomers of adenosine. Only one of these, i.e., 9 (1-beta-D-ribofuranosyl) adenine, is found in living things. Proceeding to the level of AMP (adenosine monophosphate) there are 3 possible sites of attachment of phosphate to D-ribose (C2’, C3’, and C5’). Consequently the number of structural isomers of AMP (adenosine monophosphate) are the number for adenosine time 3, or 45. At the dinucleotide level, since there are still 2 free –OH groups on D-ribose, the number of possible isomers would be that of AMP times 2, or 90.

Although C2’ and C3’ of ribose are chiral carbons [have a left and right-handed form], and the hydroxyls attached to them may be conceived to be in four different arrangements, note that by definition only one of these is called ribose. The other sugar arrangements are given different names, i.e., lyxose, xylose, and arabinose. In general then, the pentose sugars have 8 isomers (D- and L-) [left and right-handed]. Consequently, the total number of dinucleotide isomers would be determined as:
3 (sites on adenine) x 5 (sites on D-ribose)
x 8 (pentoses) x 3 (sites left on pentose for phosphate links)
x 2 (sites left on pentose for dinucleotide links) = 720

Also observe that aminopurines can form with the –NH2 at C2 or C8 as well as at the C6 position for adenine: The number of possible isomers of dinucleotide would now be as previously determined time 3, or 2160.
So if two molecules of AMP were able to join together by chance on the pre-biotic earth there would be 2160 possible isomers of the dinucleotide that could result. But only one of those isomers is actually found in living things. If four nucleotides could join together there would already be millions of possible isomers and if six nucleotides could join together there would already be billions of possible isomers. But only one out of those billions is actually found in living organisms. By the time you had an RNA chain of 50 bases, the number of possible isomers would be greater than the number of atoms in the entire universe. But only one out of all those possibilities actually occurs in living organisms.

In Statistical Thermodynamics the second law states that there will be increasing disorder, randomness or probability of the arrangement of the components of the system. If the second law always favors the most probable arrangement of the components of a system, it can be seen from the analysis above that the malformed isomers of RNA would always dominate in any hypothetical primordial soup. Life cannot exist without specified complexity being present in proteins and DNA/RNA. But specified complexity is always a highly improbable arrangement of the components of any system so the second law is always going to act in opposition to the spontaneous formation of specified complexity.

There is another big thermodynamic problem for evolution in regards to the linking of purines and pyrimidines to ribose sugars to form nucleosides. Graham Cairns-Smith has pointed out that “there are no known ways of bringing about this thermodynamically uphill reaction in aqueous solution: purine nucleosides have been made by dry-phase synthesis, but not even this method has been successful for condensing pyrimidine bases and ribose to give nucleosides (Orgel & Lohrmann, 1974).†So not only is Statistical Thermodynamics opposed to the formation of RNA chains but Classical Thermodynamics is opposed as well. Nucleosides simply do not form in aqueous solution. The uphill thermodynamic barrier is too great to overcome. That sort of kills the “life arising in the primordial soup†idea.

The second law of thermodynamics really is an evolution killer.


reznwerks said:
WoW! This is earth shattering news! Have you notified all the science deptartments worldwide and let them know they are all on the wrong track and you can prove it?
This is just the standard argument from authority - all the evolutionary scientists believe by faith that naturalism can produce life from non-life so you should believe by faith too. Of course I noticed that reznwerks didn’t provide even a single piece of evidence from one of those science departments that contradicted what I wrote in my post. Evolutionists may have their religious faith in naturalism to help them believe that trial and error and the miraculous power of natural processes can produce the complexity of life but the rest of us don’t have to accept that faith position. Evolutionists may also choose to just bury their heads in the sand and not even think about the huge problems present in the abiogenesis of life but there’s no reason why the rest of us should do so.
 
flinx said:
So they try to claim that life arising from non-life is outside the theory of evolution.
As it indeed is.
But of course they don’t have the option of making that claim.
They indeed do. Several have made that claim in this thread.
Just consider what the ultimate purpose of the theory of evolution is. Its purpose is to exclude God or any other intelligence from the equation of life.
This isn't in the remotest sense slightly true. When you start with false premises, you make false conclusions. Darwin believed in God, as have many other thousands of evolutionists. Evolution is an attempt to explain the mechanism that gave rise to the diversity of life that we observe on this planet. It does so amazingly well.
Its purpose is to provide a completely naturalistic explanation for all life on earth.
No, its not. Many scientists believe that God created us. They simply believe this creation took place at the Big Bang and that God has let the natural laws he created unfold since that time.

But if naturalistic processes of matter and energy cannot provide an explanation for the arising of life from non-living chemicals then naturalism fails from the get-go as an adequate explanation for the complexity of life.
No, it doesn't. Even if it was proven 100% that God needed to miraculously transfrom non-life into life, this would not affect the massive amount of evidence for evolution. The theory of the origin of life is distinct from the theory of the evolution of life.
 
True. I, for example, am a Christian, and acknowledge evolution.

Evolutionary theory is not to remove God. Indeed, Christians who are evolutionists have a much better appreciation for His majesty. After all, He created this wonder.

And yes, it's true that evolutionary theory is not about the origin of life.

And yes, it's true that no process needed for evolution is prohibited by the second law of thermodynamics.

At least no creationist has ever been able to show me one.
 
cubedbee said:
Darwin believed in God, as have many other thousands of evolutionists.
Cubedbee claims that Darwin believed in God. That may have been true early in his life but my middle age Darwin had slid into apostasy. This is well documented in this link:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/slide.asp

Here’s a quote from Darwin himself from the Life and Letters of Charles Darwin that shows how his faith faded into unbelief:
But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can well remember often and often [sic] inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress.
This is hardly a glowing testimonial to the effects of the theory of evolution on the faith of a believer.

Darwin stated that he felt no distress as disbelief crept over him but the historical evidence actually shows that he suffered great psychological distress from his promotion of the theory of evolution. Here’s a link that documents the “anxiety-caused psychoneurosis†that resulted in his suffering a host of psychosomatic illnesses throughout most of his adult life:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/darwins_illness.asp

Here’s a highlight from this link that shows how severely he was afflicted.
In the year leading up to publication [of the Origin of Species] he was rarely able to write for more than 20 minutes at a time without stomach pains, and he finished the proofs on October 1, 1859, in between fits of vomiting.
Ten days before the proofs were bound he wrote to his friend J.D. Hooker, 'I have been very bad lately; having had an awful "crisis" one leg swelled like elephantiasisâ€â€eyes almost closed upâ€â€covered with a rash & fiery Boils: but they tell me it will surely do me much good.  it was like living in Hell.' His modern biographers talk of his 'self-doubt, his nagging, gnawing fear that "I ... have devoted my life to a phantasy"'.
He was too sick to be on hand in London when the first copies were sold, or to attend the debate between Thomas Huxley and Bishop Samuel Wilberforce held at Oxford on June 30, 1860, or to attend the Royal Society of London meeting that awarded him its Copley Medal in November 1864. The same year he wrote to Hooker, 'I shd [sic] suppose few human beings had vomited so often during the last 5 months.'

cubedbee said:
When you start with false premises, you make false conclusions.
Cubedbee also claims that I started with a false premise. Would Richard Dawkins, or Eugenie Scott, or Steve Jay Gould (back when he was alive) disagree with my statement that evolution’s goal is to provide a completely naturalistic explanation for the complexity of life? Would any of the atheistic evolutionists that visit this forum disagree with my statement? Theistic evolutionists like cubedbee and The Barbarian may have the option of using a god-of-the-gaps argument to get across the massive chasm of missing evidence present in the story of the abiogenesis of life, but the leaders of the evolutionary movement certainly wouldn’t accept any input of God’s hand into the story. When Sir Julian Huxley spoke at the centenary celebration of the Origin of Species publication he said, “Darwin's real achievement was to remove the whole idea of God as the creator of organisms from the sphere of rational discussion.â€Â

Theistic evolutionists may arbitrarily choose to mix their belief in God with the theory of evolution but you won’t find an encyclopedia, or a university science course, or a TV documentary on evolution that allows for that admixture of belief in God with the naturalistic processes of evolution.

The Barbarian said:
And yes, it's true that no process needed for evolution is prohibited by the second law of thermodynamics.
Did you see cubedbee present any evidence to refute what I stated about the implausibility of the abiogenesis of life? Did you see Barbarian present even a single piece of evidence that evolution can overcome the second law of thermodynamics? No, neither did I. So I’ll let the readers decide for themselves whether evolution can overcome the energy-losing, disorder-creating, information-corrupting effects of the second law of thermodynamics.

Cubedbee and Barbarian may have resolved in their own minds to disbelieve God’s own account of His creation of the world and all life on earth but that doesn’t mean that each of us have to accept their interpretation of the Scriptures. Each of us must decide on our own what we believe. One big reason I have confidence in believing in the Bible's creation account is that my belief simply agrees with what the apostles themselves taught about the historical events of the Old Testament. In the entire New Testament you won’t find a single allegorical interpretation of a historical event from the Old Testament. And you won’t find a single liberal interpretation either. Every one of the writers of the New Testament interpreted the events of the Old Testament in a fundamentalist, plain-sense meaning, including the events of the creation and the worldwide flood. And the Lord Himself did the same. They all accepted the Genesis account of the creation of the world, and the creation of Adam and Eve, and the worldwide flood in Noah’s day as true historical events.

One day each believer will stand before Christ to give an account for his/her actions in life. At that time I’m sure He’ll straighten us out on what we understood correctly from the Scriptures and what we didn’t. When it comes my turn I’m sure I’ll have reason to regret the things in life I should have done but didn’t do, but I certainly won’t regret the fact that I chose to interpret and believe the Scriptures in the same way that the apostles and the Lord Himself interpreted the Scriptures.
 
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