Examples of Near/Far Fulfilment

[Cyberseeker]

This thread is for sharing examples of Near/Far fulfilment of prophecy. It is commonly know as ‘Dual’ or ‘Double’ fulfilment but such terms suggest prophecy might be re-enacted exactly. That is not what is meant. Near/Far prophecy happens when a fulfilment takes place some time after the announcement then a fulfilment happens again, usually expanding on the former fulfilment or including an aspect that is still waiting. In both cases the fulfilment(s) are clearly recognisable to the era concerned. Sometimes the secondary fulfilment comes first and the primary one later but it can be the other way round.

Why is it important? Well, when we realise that prophecy can be graduated over more than one event it satisfies the prophetic description without forcing us to choose between the extremes of Futurism and Preterism.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Example 1 – The Abrahamic Covenant.

Predicted 2090 BC
And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed … and I will surely multiply your offspring as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice." (Genesis 12: 2-3, 22:17-18)

1st Fulfillment 960 BC
Judah and Israel were as many as the sand by the sea. They ate and drank and were happy. Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the Euphrates to the land of the Philistines and to the border of Egypt. They brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life. (1 Kings 4:20)

2nd Fulfillment 30AD
For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written, "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles, and sing to your name." (Romans 15:8-9)

As we can see, both fulfilments satisfied the original promise but there was a thousand years between them. This case of 'far/near' is now over and provides us with a good example of how other prophecies (yet to be finished) may work out in the future.

 

[Elijah674]

Excellent! Even the twice of Heb. 6:6 huh! But note this Inspirition???

OK: This is how I see it for where we are at in our timeframe. [End/Time]

First off: Acts 3:19 is almost at the last opportunity for Repentance. Most are already past this time. Rev. 17:1-5 ones are about all made up, the Prophesied Shaking has taken place in Laodicea with the 7th church staying put as did old Israel, & the Remnant have already left her Apostasy, as seen in Rev. 12:17. In Rev. 3:10 we see that these ones only are kept from 666, & Matt. 24's Great Tribulation verse of ibide. 21... of ['EVER SHALL BE'] comes to view. And Inspiration in Acts 3:19 merits EXTREME MATURE WISDOM! We need to be %100 in Repentance & being LED of the Holy Spirit today! Rom. 8:14

Matt. 24
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(the above time is FACT! For a witness only. As in Gen. 6:3's repeat. Fatal Decision are required to be made by just a few who have not had any opportunity. UN trial)

[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) .
(Elijah here: Most do not even know what nor where the Holy Place is to be, much less understand! But, Old Israel was to be the Holy Place for Christ 'Isa. 5:3' as was Laodicea for the last church True Fold. So we see Rev. 3:9 in completion of these two Virgin folds having a 'new leader' which is satan. And again, prophecy has told us this, and it is already found in the Rev. 17:1-5 documentation as these ones being.. long gone past their time period.

Let me just give the verse for this virgin apostasy. Matt. 23:38 found the entrance of satan taking over old Israel, when Christ was put OUT! 70 AD was way down the road of the finished slaughter!)

[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
(OK: this is NO time to still be found in Titus 3:9-11 Vain waste of time! One needs to be making provisions the best that they can, and then leave the rest to God as He requires. Rev. 18:4 is Emergency Time!)

[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:

(all preparation needs to be made! There had been a little God Required DELAY for this found in Old Israel final 70 AD destruction. And this is NO TIME to violate Rom. 8:14's verse!)


[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
(the above two verses find the END, + we see that the days shall be shortened! Both both Christ & Paul document this Inspiration. See Gen. 41:32 with Eccl. 3:15. In Daniel's Inspiration of the 'armies camped around Jerusalem'?? we now find most of today confused on this, as the twofold verse Tel's us of the End Time application)

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christ's, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

(Yet, as the pretribs + miracle are taught & done, only the 'few' will do as Christ Commands! Think of what it will be like for some who are physically handicapped knowing that real miracles are being done, yet, still knowing that they are not teaching the truth???? But this will be as prophesied! Kind of like Lot's wife??)

[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(Fact!)
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

--- Elijah

 

[Cyberseeker]

Getting back to topic, the clauses of the Abrahamic covenant are:

1. I will make of you a great nation.
2. To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.
3. You shall be the father of a multitude of nations.
4. Your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore.
5. Your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies
6. In you all the families/nations of the earth shall be blessed.

This covenant was repeated to each of the patriarchs more than once each. Clauses 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 came in steps from Joshua till Solomon and the Solomon reference virtually re-quotes the Abrahamic Covt verbatim ( 1 King 4:20) to show God’s faithfulness to his word. So it was a fulfillment – a 'near' fulfillment.

Clause #6 was fulfilled in the cross – a 'far' fulfillment.
Clauses 4 & 5 have both a physical fulfillment as well as a spiritual. They were progressively fulfilled, first in Israel and secondly in the Church. So, the Abrahamic covt is an example of near/far prophecy.

 

[Elijah674]

This thread is for sharing examples of Near/Far fulfilment of prophecy. It is commonly know as ‘Dual’ or ‘Double’ fulfilment but such terms suggest prophecy might be re-enacted exactly. That is not what is meant. Near/Far prophecy happens when a fulfilment takes place some time after the announcement then a fulfilment happens again, usually expanding on the former fulfilment or including an aspect that is still waiting. In both cases the fulfilment(s) are clearly recognisable to the era concerned. Sometimes the secondary fulfilment comes first and the primary one later but it can be the other way round.

Why is it important? Well, when we realise that prophecy can be graduated over more than one event it satisfies the prophetic description without forcing us to choose between the extremes of Futurism and Preterism.

This is an interesting subject. I look at time perhaps differtly than most?;) A couple examples are the original lifespan of man at near creation. Around a 1000 years of life for most just after sin. So if there had been the original diet in place, there would possibly find only several generations of 1000 year around. (Gen. 9:5 after the flood)

And the Word of God? I find it eternal! Such as Matt. 4:4's 'Spiritual' diet not just starting when Christ was God/man on earth! And we talk of Rev. with John's pen?? I see Rev. eternal as Christ's Word. (John 1:1-5)

And also find the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 taking in heavens Rebellion. Even to the point of Gen. 41:32 principle of being twice established by God. (even Matt, 25:1 comparrison)

And the false Preterism view needs to be established such, with the Word of God. Such as Matt. 24:14 'When the Gospel goes into all of the world, THEN SHALL THE END COME'. That is very clear! So we need concrete proof for why it did not take place as Paul was Inspired to pen? Rom. 10:18 + Col. 1:23
(and NO 'i' do not think that the Jer. 17:5 ones even come close to the answer!)

But my point is, is that from day one on 'time is getting closer' to the end of earth as we know it. And most things do indeed have an twice at least application, such as the recrucifixion of Christ seen in Heb. 6:6 if one really believes the Word of God. By all of these things taking place, we can see the closeness of the Second Coming of our Master! (and in PERSON, huh!) And... there are just two class seen in 1 Thess. 5:1-5.

--Elijah

 

[NJBeliever]

Luke 21 prophesies the destruction of the temple that took place in 70AD. While its companion passage, Matthew 24, fortells of the future abomination that makes desolate.

 

[Hitch]

Luke 21 prophesies the destruction of the temple that took place in 70AD. While its companion passage, Matthew 24, fortells of the future abomination that makes desolate.

What do you cite as internal evidence that those two passages refer to different events seperated by thousands of years?

 

[Cyberseeker]

What do you cite as internal evidence that those two passages refer to different events seperated by thousands of years?

Precedents. That is what this topic is for - to show how there are precedents in history of near/far fulfillment of prophecy.

 

[Hitch]

Precedents. That is what this topic is for - to show how there are precedents in history of near/far fulfillment of prophecy.

Since two specific passages were cited I think its fair to ask how and why they are examples of precedents, but its your thread and if you dont want that sort of question it's your business.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Example 2 – Abomination of Desolation

Since two specific passages were cited I think its fair to ask how and why they are examples of precedents, but its your thread and if you dont want that sort of question it's your business.

Its not just my thread; you can pitch in. :waving Here is another precedent for you.

Example 2 – Abomination of Desolation

Predicted 530 BC

Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. … And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. (Dan 11:31-35)

Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. (Dan 11:36-37)​

1st Fulfillment 167 BC

The king (Antiochus Epiphanes) sent letters by messengers to Jerusalem and the towns of Judah; he directed them to follow customs strange to the land, to forbid burnt-offerings and sacrifices and drink-offerings in the sanctuary, to profane sabbaths and festivals, to defile the sanctuary and the priests, to build altars and sacred precincts and shrines for idols, to sacrifice swine and other unclean animals … Many of the people, everyone who forsook the law, joined them, and they did evil in the land; they drove Israel into hiding in every place of refuge they had.

Now on the fifteenth day of Chislev, in the one hundred and forty-fifth year, (Greek calendar) they erected the abomination of desolation on the altar of burnt-offering. They also built altars in the surrounding towns of Judah,
(1 Maccabees 1:44-54)​

2nd Fulfillment (yet future)

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him … that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thess 2:1-4)​

One thing to be noticed is how the first fulfilment took place 360 years after Daniel had written it. So, although it prefigures an AOD to come, it is in every sense a fulfilment in its own right. Most commentators associate Antiochus with the AoD but the second fulfilment is not so easy to nail down. Futurists say it will happen after a third Jewish temple has been built. My thought is that something will happen on the old temple site (though not necessarily a Jewish system) and it will involve an alternative to Christ’s blood. I’m not sure if Preterists have a standard explanation but I cannot see how a final fulfilment could have happened yet. Can anyone tell me how?

In any case, regardless of whether one thinks this is Rome or a future Antichrist, it still is a multi-layer fulfilment.

 

[Sinthesis]

Daniel 11 is in its entirety a nearly 500yr prophecy that has been fulfilled. It is incorrect to pull parts of the prophecy out of their timeline context and expect just those parts to be fulfilled again. This would negate the bracketing parts for any future fulfillment, rendering the prophecy false. Do individual historical events repeat? Yes. However, the power in the prophecy of Daniel 11 lies in five unbroken centuries of pretold history. It is not meant be fulfilled again unless in it's entirety.

 

[Hitch]

Good point.

 

[Hitch]

Re: Example 2 – Abomination of Desolation

Its not just my thread; you can pitch in. :waving Here is another precedent for you.

Example 2 – Abomination of Desolation

Predicted 530 BC

Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. … And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. (Dan 11:31-35)

Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. (Dan 11:36-37)
​

1st Fulfillment 167 BC

The king (Antiochus Epiphanes) sent letters by messengers to Jerusalem and the towns of Judah; he directed them to follow customs strange to the land, to forbid burnt-offerings and sacrifices and drink-offerings in the sanctuary, to profane sabbaths and festivals, to defile the sanctuary and the priests, to build altars and sacred precincts and shrines for idols, to sacrifice swine and other unclean animals … Many of the people, everyone who forsook the law, joined them, and they did evil in the land; they drove Israel into hiding in every place of refuge they had.

Now on the fifteenth day of Chislev, in the one hundred and forty-fifth year, (Greek calendar) they erected the abomination of desolation on the altar of burnt-offering. They also built altars in the surrounding towns of Judah,
(1 Maccabees 1:44-54)
​

2nd Fulfillment (yet future)

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him … that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thess 2:1-4)
​

One thing to be noticed is how the first fulfilment took place 360 years after Daniel had written it. So, although it prefigures an AOD to come, it is in every sense a fulfilment in its own right. Most commentators associate Antiochus with the AoD but the second fulfilment is not so easy to nail down. Futurists say it will happen after a third Jewish temple has been built. My thought is that something will happen on the old temple site (though not necessarily a Jewish system) and it will involve an alternative to Christ’s blood. I’m not sure if Preterists have a standard explanation but I cannot see how a final fulfilment could have happened yet. Can anyone tell me how?

In any case, regardless of whether one thinks this is Rome or a future Antichrist, it still is a multi-layer fulfilment.

You must have heard the Chirst's sacrifice is 'once and for all', and that a few decades later the temple, city and the entire nation was laid waste ? Remember one of the first public things Jesus said was 'the time is fulfilled '.

 

[Hitch]

Is the point to eventually come to say that Christ as Sacrifice is the near, (or fulfilled), and Christ as Regent , is the far ?

 

[reba]

1. To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.

When has this prophecy been fulfiled?

 

[Sissy]

Reba,

Here is the scripture of the fulfillment:

1 Kings 4
(20) Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking, and making merry.
(21) And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.

 

[reba]

Near?

Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Far?

1Ki 4:20Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking, and making merry.
1Ki 4:21 And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.