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Facing Sin

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An alcoholic might know that it's best to avoid enviornments where alcohol is served. And there's at least one scripture that I can think of to run from sin, to flee from it. In the context I think it said to flee from an adulterous woman. So some times I think a sin is too powerful or tempting for us, at least at the time, and it's better for us to run from it. But on other times there's no where to run and it's either everywhere in the enviornment or in us like a short fuse in anger. So we must face it.

Whatever the sin though, and the method you used to subdue it. My question is are there times when you knew you needed to ask for help, if so how did you, and who did you ask?

Sometimes presenting our sins to God is difficult in prayer. More often I think it's difficult to bring up to our loved ones who would help us, or to a pastor we look up to, or even a professional we pay for. So any thoughts on facing sin, running from it, or asking for help are welcome, and hopefully will benifit all of us.

Thanks.
 
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An alcoholic might know that it's best to avoid enviornments where alcohol is served. And there's at least one scripture that I can think of to run from sin, to flee from it. In the context I think it said to flee from an adulterous woman. So some times I think a sin is too powerful or tempting for us, at least at the time, and it's better for us to run from it. But on other times there's no where to run and it's either everywhere in the enviornment or in us like a short fuse in anger. So we must face it.

Whatever the sin though, and the method you used to subdue it. My question is are there times when you knew you needed to ask for help, if so how did you, and who did you ask?

Sometimes presenting our sins to God is difficult in prayer. More often I think it's difficult to bring up to our loved ones who would help us, or to a pastor we look up to, or even a professional we pay for. So any thoughts on facing sin, running from it, or asking for help are welcome, and hopefully will benifit all of us.

Thanks.
Just curious why is it difficult to present your sins to God? Do you think He does not know unless you tell Him? I am sorry about asking the questions I am just trying to get a feel for your dilemma.
I talk to God day in and day out. Knowing there is nothing I can do that He does not see keeps me in check for the most part. That is not to say I do not sin or haven't sinned. Just saying that I am more apt to do the right thing knowing He is watching. I have not got desire to be places that are offensive to Him. I do go when I am prompted.

peter
 
Just curious why is it difficult to present your sins to God? Do you think He does not know unless you tell Him? I am sorry about asking the questions I am just trying to get a feel for your dilemma.
I talk to God day in and day out. Knowing there is nothing I can do that He does not see keeps me in check for the most part. That is not to say I do not sin or haven't sinned. Just saying that I am more apt to do the right thing knowing He is watching. I have not got desire to be places that are offensive to Him. I do go when I am prompted.

peter

It's not as big an issue now as it use to be, but when I was younger I'd have a habitual sin in porn and lusts. Even after bringing it to God it wasn't long until I fell back into the sin, and wanted to fall back into it. It became a point of shame and emberrasment even to bring up to God. I kind of assumed that an ashamed dynamic with a habitual sin regardless what it was could be common.
 
Speaking from experience as a believer for quite some time in these matters.

I eventually was forced to set aside my pharisee religious cloak on the basis of simple honesty. No matter what external "good" behavior I engaged in I KNEW and KNOW, as Paul did, that evil was present with me. I know this beyond any doubt, because God has shown me the reality of internal temptations. God Himself placed us all, quite purposefully, in a system that consists internally of both good and evil. There is no honestly escaping this conclusion.

So, I had to be HONEST before my Maker. I understand that when I stand before God, I do so with "evil present" with me not one bit differently than what Paul exposed about his own "internals" in Romans 7:7-13 and Romans 7:21. This is the unavoidable conclusion of honesty. It is on this ground that I can only ask, in all sincerity, to obtain MERCY. No different than what Jesus shows us here:

Luke 18:
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

When God in Christ calls us out, He calls us OUT to be HONEST. Honesty is actually a gift of the Spirit. Some have it, many do not. I would hope for such honesty in anyone. Even the unsaved have this much honesty. Obviously in the Luke 18 example one of those men was NOT honest before God whatsoever and that man did NOT fool God one iota.

Now, in the O.T. we hear the call of God to come with a WHOLE HEART.

In that WHOLE HEART there is both good and EVIL. And we are just kidding ourselves if we think that NOT to be the "real" case.

In addition, I will also readily admit to seeing only in part, which automatically means I do NOT see Perfectly. In fact I might not even want to see this way, as I may see more than I care to see. I am somewhat glad that Perfect Sight remains only with our Maker, and NOT in myself. I'm sure that there are things that God Is Capable of looking at, from the Superior Vantage Point, that I don't want to see. I know this is a fact. I come before God in Christ with factually CLOUDY sights. Call it partly clouded. If you want to observe with me "how" Jesus comes, He comes in the CLOUDS. This is what that means. He comes to people who are CLOUDY in their sights. Who only see in part. And will return, likewise.

When we are called out with a whole heart though, honestly, that heart is both good and evil therein and THAT is the whole heart God DESIRES to see, as this brings the FRUIT of HONESTY, as HIS GIFT to us.

From this point, the whole heart, recognizing "ourselves" for what we "really" are within, on this ground we come to this realization, that it was always Gods Intentions for us to RECEIVE HIS MERCY as a real live demonstration, because of our factual adverse internal condition of having evil present within us.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We do NOT become "sinless" after salvation, period. I "seek" and "hope" to put on the Righteousness of Christ, when my vile body passes. In the meantime however, I take pleasure in living HONESTLY before my Maker, not vainly trying to HIDE the evil present within me. Even though I may not perceive this to be so using my rosy colored dishonest pharisee glasses. It's still a fact regardless of my "perception." Any who enter herein will find evil take a lot of steps BACK to hide it's presence, to make it appear otherwise.
 
there was a span of time i dealt with lust . not after A guy just in general.. Praying did not relieve the pull once i admitted it to a friend, or it may have been my sister , i was never bothered by it again..
I dont think these things are the same for each of us.. we dont always know why things work out the way they do..
 
It's not as big an issue now as it use to be, but when I was younger I'd have a habitual sin in porn and lusts. Even after bringing it to God it wasn't long until I fell back into the sin, and wanted to fall back into it. It became a point of shame and emberrasment even to bring up to God. I kind of assumed that an ashamed dynamic with a habitual sin regardless what it was could be common.
I know of my self I can't....... But He can and He will
peter
 
I think that we have to face our sin ourselves and deal with the temptations. This is what we are to overcome, as scripture says.

Abba does not see our sin, for He sees us through the blood of Yashua.
 
Speaking from experience as a believer for quite some time in these matters.

I eventually was forced to set aside my pharisee religious cloak on the basis of simple honesty. No matter what external "good" behavior I engaged in I KNEW and KNOW, as Paul did, that evil was present with me. I know this beyond any doubt, because God has shown me the reality of internal temptations. God Himself placed us all, quite purposefully, in a system that consists internally of both good and evil. There is no honestly escaping this conclusion.

So, I had to be HONEST before my Maker. I understand that when I stand before God, I do so with "evil present" with me not one bit differently than what Paul exposed about his own "internals" in Romans 7:7-13 and Romans 7:21. This is the unavoidable conclusion of honesty. It is on this ground that I can only ask, in all sincerity, to obtain MERCY. No different than what Jesus shows us here:

Luke 18:
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

When God in Christ calls us out, He calls us OUT to be HONEST. Honesty is actually a gift of the Spirit. Some have it, many do not. I would hope for such honesty in anyone. Even the unsaved have this much honesty. Obviously in the Luke 18 example one of those men was NOT honest before God whatsoever and that man did NOT fool God one iota.

Now, in the O.T. we hear the call of God to come with a WHOLE HEART.

In that WHOLE HEART there is both good and EVIL. And we are just kidding ourselves if we think that NOT to be the "real" case.

In addition, I will also readily admit to seeing only in part, which automatically means I do NOT see Perfectly. In fact I might not even want to see this way, as I may see more than I care to see. I am somewhat glad that Perfect Sight remains only with our Maker, and NOT in myself. I'm sure that there are things that God Is Capable of looking at, from the Superior Vantage Point, that I don't want to see. I know this is a fact. I come before God in Christ with factually CLOUDY sights. Call it partly clouded. If you want to observe with me "how" Jesus comes, He comes in the CLOUDS. This is what that means. He comes to people who are CLOUDY in their sights. Who only see in part. And will return, likewise.

When we are called out with a whole heart though, honestly, that heart is both good and evil therein and THAT is the whole heart God DESIRES to see, as this brings the FRUIT of HONESTY, as HIS GIFT to us.

From this point, the whole heart, recognizing "ourselves" for what we "really" are within, on this ground we come to this realization, that it was always Gods Intentions for us to RECEIVE HIS MERCY as a real live demonstration, because of our factual adverse internal condition of having evil present within us.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We do NOT become "sinless" after salvation, period. I "seek" and "hope" to put on the Righteousness of Christ, when my vile body passes. In the meantime however, I take pleasure in living HONESTLY before my Maker, not vainly trying to HIDE the evil present within me. Even though I may not perceive this to be so using my rosy colored dishonest pharisee glasses. It's still a fact regardless of my "perception." Any who enter herein will find evil take a lot of steps BACK to hide it's presence, to make it appear otherwise.

Thank you Smaller. That's just the sort of perspective I was hoping for. Something to strengthen a person to God and encourage them even through there errors.
 
there was a span of time i dealt with lust . not after A guy just in general.. Praying did not relieve the pull once i admitted it to a friend, or it may have been my sister , i was never bothered by it again..
I dont think these things are the same for each of us.. we dont always know why things work out the way they do..

Thanks Reba. Lust us one of the 3 behaviors that I think has an addictive element to it. And the sin can harm a person very much while they know it, yet still hard to resist. Though I'm glad that I haven't had an issue with the other two in my life (so far), the other two that I can think of is gambling, and also drug addiction.

If I can ask, do you remember what brought you to tell your friend or your sister?
 
I know of my self I can't....... But He can and He will
peter

Yeah that's close to the realization I had that helped me with lust. It was bigger then me, and on the times I asked for help God gave it. So if I didn't ask out of embarrassment or from being ashamed it only harmed my relationship with God because it affected my coming to Him, and it worsened my sinning by not coming to God. Thank you Peter.
 
I think that we have to face our sin ourselves and deal with the temptations. This is what we are to overcome, as scripture says.

Abba does not see our sin, for He sees us through the blood of Yashua.

That's an awesome outlook Edward. Full of faith and strength from it. Thank you.
 
the guilty feeling
The law proves that the Gospel works in the glaring light of His Law, to the above intention. That's what is supposed to happen.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The Law has proven to me, beyond any doubt, that I am a sinner. So, in this regards, my mouth is stopped, and I am in the world of the guilty.

A lot of believers would like me to stop talking about it though...:nod

When we read of the woman not speaking in the church, all believers are, collectively, the BRIDE of Christ. And we are to place His Word, above our own and shut up. It has nothing to do with a physical woman not speaking in a church building/assembly.

We are also to "cover" our head. This is the 'MIND OF CHRIST' upon us. In our "mountain top."

Where does God in Christ meet the enemies in Rev? Gog and Magog. "Mountain" in the "land of mountain." That is where the battle is. IN the mountain. Where are the enemies brought to? The lowlands. The valley/hills of meggido/Gibeon/armageddon.

Where is Satan bruised/crushed? Uh, under our feet. Romans 16:20

Satan has a "short" time.

Times/time/half a time. Times are man's times, the cycles of man's harvesting off the earth.

Time is Satan's.

1/2 time is when all the fun begins. For us as believers anyway.

Revelation 8:1
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

It all adds up quite nicely, once opened, as the woman shuts up and takes her place UNDER our Lord and His Word/Mind.
 
i posted in an open forum.. no problem.. :)
I could have been spiritual, saying something like the conviction, nudging of the Holy Spirit sweetly compelled me to confess my sins...
Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Butr i like short posts.. :)
 
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