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God ~ The Holy Spirit

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Gabbylittleangel

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I have a question for those who do not believe in the Trinity.
There has been much said about if you believe Jesus is God or not.
What do you believe about the Holy Spirit? Who or what is the Holy Spirit if you do not believe it is God? In what way is the Holy Spirit not God?
 
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golfjack said:
Gabby, Do you want those who believe in the Trinity to post here?



May God bless, golfjack
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Oh golly gee jack!
Do ya think you can fuel this fire a bit?
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So far none of the non-trinitarians seem to have an explanation for the Holy Spirit. I suppose if you don't post something, some mod is gonna come along and move it to the dead threads.

GO FOR IT! :-D
 
Yes
I was going to post earlier as well, but I believe in the trinity as well :roll:
 
Help yourself Oscar.

I have seen the post of people who do not believe that Jesus is God. I have read their verses that they use to support that belief.

They must also have some doctrine on the Holy Spirit. I am eager to find out what they have to say. Who or what is the Holy Spirit if it is not God? What are their Scriptures to support their belief that the Holy Spirit is someone or something other than God?
 
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Well, Let's see what Jesus says about the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8: But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

We see in this one verse that it takes the Holy Spirit to get saved, and we are the vessels that give the unsaved world the message of the Gospel. We receive power to enable us to do this.

All through the Book of Acts it is important to note that many were saved after the 120 were in one accord ( Acts 2:1), and Acts 2:4 tells us they were filled with the Holy Spirit to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterence. We see they grew in number to about 3 thousand ( Acts 2:41). Therefore, we do need the Holy Spirit to be saved and His power makes it possible for people to see the great signs and wonders, so that they might believe.


May God bless, golfjack
 
golfjack said:
Well, Let's see what Jesus says about the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8: But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.......
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So golfjack,
I see in that same chapter that Jesus Christ was also filled with the Holy Spirit, and it was through the Spirit that Jesus had given commandments to the apostles....
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

The verse you posted says that Jesus Christ THE Lord says that the Holy Spirit makes us witnesses 'to Him".

This is a pretty interesting statement here, if there were no Trinity.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


IF the Holy Ghost is not God, then this would be a bit confusing. Even those who do not believe in the Trinity tell us that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. These verses here...

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

...lead me to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Holy Ghost.

This looks like Paul is speaking of one Spirit...or else there is a Spirit of God and a Spirit of Christ.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.

The Spirit of the Lord? Would that be the Spirit of the Lord God or the Spirit of The Lord Jesus Christ?
That was a trick question. You see, it is the same Spirit guys.
 
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John 20:22 says And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. Does anyone believe the Apostles were saved at this point? I believe so. They couldn't be saved until Jesus rose again. The Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts is the infilling of empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Does anyone see the difference?



May God bless, golfjack
 
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golfjack said:
John 20:22 says And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. Does anyone believe the Apostles were saved at this point? I believe so. They couldn't be saved until Jesus rose again. The Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts is the infilling of empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Does anyone see the difference?



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So Jack
I agree that in order to be saved one ''must'' have the holy spirit. If one does not possess the HS then one is not a Christian. The spostles where not saved until they recieved the Holy Spirit. Now folow me here for a second. So it was Jesus who breathed himself into them, how can he do this if both were not God?

I Heard John MacArthur preach on this about 2 weeks ago.
 
I was just thinking. (scarry I know) but what about the OT saints? How did they recieve the HS?
 
oscar3 said:
I was just thinking. (scarry I know) but what about the OT saints? How did they recieve the HS?
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You are far from dumb, oscar, you have discernment. You just need to use tact and keep things on the subject at hand instead of getting personal.
I thought that needed saying since you keep putting yourself down.
 
oscar3 said:
I was just thinking. (scarry I know) but what about the OT saints? How did they recieve the HS?
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By faith.
Several Scriptures speak of the Holy Spirit coming upon the saints. He did not stay with them in the same way as us. Different covenant and all, ya know. But that is another thread.
 
destiny said:
You are far from dumb, oscar, you have discernment. You just need to use tact and keep things on the subject at hand instead of getting personal.
I thought that needed saying since you keep putting yourself down.
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Thank you. I am working on it.
Its not an excuse, but when you have been in a cult as I was for most of my life, and then you come to the truth as I did, I have very, Actually no tollerace for false teaching and cults. It did not only affect me, but my wife and kids as well. I had my whole family in cult, but thanks to Jesus Christ My God, I was able to see the truth and the light. I know who the Christians are on this site.
But I will continue to work on my manners. Thank you and coming from you, who is a sister in Christ, your gentle rebuke is well taken and recieved.
 
oscar3 said:
..., I have very, Actually no tollerace for false teaching and cults. ...
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That takes the grace that comes from the Holy Spirit. Think about it a minute. Anyone who is not saved, who is not born again, believes something other than the truth. False teaching no matter if it is a cult, secular humanism, or totally anti-christ. If you have no tolerance for false teaching, then you have no tolerance for the lost.

You want to draw the lost to the light of Jesus Christ, not blast them away with it.

If you think about the things that we have learned since we came to the truth, and realize that the Lord tolerated all of the things that we once believed in order to bring us to the cross, then it helps us to see our need to be gracious with those who still need to find their way.
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
By faith.
Several Scriptures speak of the Holy Spirit coming upon the saints. He did not stay with them in the same way as us. Different covenant and all, ya know. But that is another thread.
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There is a big difference Gabby, between the holy spirit being 'with them' and 'in them'.
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
If you have no tolerance for false teaching, then you have no tolerance for the lost.
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Is this an oxymoran ?

If you have no tolerance for false teaching
(no I don't and I will speak out against them everychance I get)

then you have no tolerance for the lost.


(So because I do not tolerate or accept false teachers, I have no tolerance for the lost. Gabby; On the contrary, its because of my heart for the Lost that I will do whatever I can do with the the strength given to me by the Holy Spirit to preach the truth to the Lost. Part of that truth is exposing false teachers and cults for who they are. Wolves in sheeps clothing. It is my Prayer that these false teachers will also come to accept Christ, but I am sorry, if you want to accept them, thats between you and God, but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
 
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
I couldn't resist.

I have a question to address to the op well instead of an answer.

Trinity - 3 parts right?
Son - Physical yet diety
Holy Spirit - Spirit
Where does that leave the Father?
John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

If Father is a Spirit, then isn't He holy? If He is holy then isn't He the Holy Spirit? But if Holy Spirit is the third part of the trinity we are back to square one on defining who the Father is.

Now some answers:
What do you believe about the Holy Spirit?
Holy Spirit is the complete Spirit of God like Georges explained.

Who or what is the Holy Spirit if you do not believe it is God?
I believe Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, not a seperate part of God.

In what way is the Holy Spirit not God?
In what way is my flesh not human? There isn't a way where Holy Spirit is not God. It is God's spirit. Not a seperate God.

If Jesus is physical then why does Jesus say what he said in John 4:24? Well if you say he put on flesh but before that he was spirit then were there 3 spirits in heaven? Father spirit, Son spirit and Holy spirit? What say JG? You seem to be counting only one spirit? Right, this is where you need the spin that says all three spirits are one. Grabs some of your popcorn :)
 
Georges' your hatred for the Holy Ghost inspired works of Paul is second to none. So you say that Paul's Holy Ghost inspired works is corrupt, so that says that the Bible is a lie. Is this what you are saying ? Because if one part of the Bible is corrupt, the whole Bible is corrupt. Do you get what I am saying. But I rather believe the Bible than you. Who is just a mere man.
 
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