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[Hitch]

So if if when God says 'soon' we are to understand He means that from His perspective rather than ours how can we know that Jesus was three days in the grave?

If 'soon' from God's point of view can be thousands of years can we assume a 'day' would be anything even recognizable to our version?

Really the whole notion is as silly as it is disgusting isnt it?

 

[reba]

Did God write the scripture for Himself?

 

[Adullam]

So if if when God says 'soon' we are to understand He means that from His perspective rather than ours how can we know that Jesus was three days in the grave?

If 'soon' from God's point of view can be thousands of years can we assume a 'day' would be anything even recognizable to our version?

Really the whole notion is as silly as it is disgusting isnt it?

Jesus was raised on the third day. Could this mean that He was to return to earth in the third millenium?

It has been nearly two days (2 thousand years) since He went to heaven. When this time period is accomplished, should we not be expecting His imminent return?

 

[Hitch]

Jesus was raised on the third day. Could this mean that He was to return to earth in the third millenium?

It has been nearly two days (2 thousand years) since He went to heaven. When this time period is accomplished, should we not be expecting His imminent return?

Its off topic Ad but why does it matter?

Do you think God's plans are consumed with making sure you are among the tiny minority that cheats death?

After all the vain hope of cheating death is the only reason pine for Christ's return. If you're on this forum chances are very good your history will be over within 50 years anyway. No christian can claim any alteration in God's plan that makes Him needful of our passing into eternity outside the death of the body. In reality it is a vestige of our pagan roots that we have interjected into our theology/eschatology and in this way we are as vain and foolish as the animist. It serves the enemy well when so many believers pant and cry for Christ to keep them from the death of the body,especially when those same ones believe that action requires to eternal torment of the rest of mankind.
Rather we should glory that in life or death we can claim witness status to the events of the 'last day', and resist the temtation to offer silly speculations .

 

[Stormcrow]

So if if when God says 'soon' we are to understand He means that from His perspective rather than ours how can we know that Jesus was three days in the grave?

We can't. It's settled. Board up all the churches and hunker down in our root cellars or basements to wait for the rapture, saving us all from the horrors that bad, bad, boogeyman called (add bass and reverb here, please) "THE ANTICHRIST!" is going to bring on the earth.

And in the meantime, we can watch youtube videos like this parodying just how ridiculous the futurist view - via Harold Camping - makes the whole church look. 2

 

[warhorse]

So if if when God says 'soon' we are to understand He means that from His perspective rather than ours how can we know that Jesus was three days in the grave?

If 'soon' from God's point of view can be thousands of years can we assume a 'day' would be anything even recognizable to our version?

Really the whole notion is as silly as it is disgusting isnt it?

Well we do have a few things to go with here. See God set the definition of a day in
Gen 1v3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And the bible said that Jesus was in the grave for 3 1/2 days.

Mathew 27v63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

So we have hard and fast definition for the length of a day, and we have hard numbers for the days spent in the grave.
But soon is a subjective term dependant on the author for its definition to which we dont have a hard number or spectrum for.
Just like here on earth time is reletive. To an 8 year old one year can seem a very long time. it is after all 1/8 of his lifetime. To and 80 year old, one year seams much quicker as it is only 1/80th of his lifetime. To the 800 year old even quicker and so on. To an eternal God, soon could well seam like an eternity for us.

 

[Hitch]

Well we do have a few things to go with here. See God set the definition of a day in
Gen 1v3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And the bible said that Jesus was in the grave for 3 1/2 days.

Mathew 27v63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

And a day is as??? In convenient I suppose

So we have hard and fast definition for the length of a day, and we have hard numbers for the days spent in the grave.
But soon is a subjective term dependant on the author for its definition to which we dont have a hard number or spectrum for.
Just like here on earth time is reletive. To an 8 year old one year can seem a very long time. it is after all 1/8 of his lifetime. To and 80 year old, one year seams much quicker as it is only 1/80th of his lifetime. To the 800 year old even quicker and so on. To an eternal God, soon could well seam like an eternity for us.

Well that was a long way to get back to 'God forgot He wasnt talking to Himself' .

Tell me are you willing to contend that is not enough scriptural usage for 'soon' to determine a definition that is realistic? Ya know like the way summer comes nigh after spring?

 

[warhorse]

And a day is as??? In convenient I suppose
Well that was a long way to get back to 'God forgot He wasnt talking to Himself' .

Tell me are you willing to contend that is not enough scriptural usage for 'soon' to determine a definition that is realistic? Ya know like the way summer comes nigh after spring?

There is not enough scriptural use of the word soon, from Gods perspective, to determine how long that might be. The word soon is used in multiple scriptures from men, too men, that is not the same thing. The words nigh and near are also subjective, but they may or may not be the same length of time. I dont know? The bible insinuates on several occasions that a day with the lord is as a thousand years (Very long time) or a thousand years as a day. But we can not just pin that to some time frame as many do, and say (see it will be a 1000 years) without direct scripture to support it i would hesitate to apply that to any time frame in question.

 

[Hitch]

There is not enough scriptural use of the word soon, from Gods perspective,

this is really pathetic

to determine how long that might be. The word soon is used in multiple scriptures from men, too men, that is not the same thing. The words nigh and near are also subjective, but they may or may not be the same length of time. I dont know? The bible insinuates on several occasions that a day with the lord is as a thousand years (Very long time) or a thousand years as a day. But we can not just pin that to some time frame as many do, and say (see it will be a 1000 years) without direct scripture to support it i would hesitate to apply that to any time frame in question.

Can you point to the NT uses of 'nigh' to mean great distance or time ?

Can you point out the NT uses of 'soon' in which it reasonably requires many thousands of years?

Do you think God is capable of communicating with humans?

 

[Sam21]

So if if when God says 'soon' we are to understand He means that from His perspective rather than ours how can we know that Jesus was three days in the grave?

If 'soon' from God's point of view can be thousands of years can we assume a 'day' would be anything even recognizable to our version?

Really the whole notion is as silly as it is disgusting isnt it?

Anyone who can read will find that Jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed and He would return in the sky with angels and gather the believers (this generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled). We all know from history that Jerusalem was destroyed in that generation but Jesus did not return in the sky and gather the believers, if this makes God silly and disgusting to you then so be it,but don't make a complete fool out of yourself by trying to claim Jesus returned when Jesus has not returned. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT JESUS HAS RETURNED AND GATHERED THE SAINTS....it would be easier to prove to this forum that the earth is flat then to prove that Jesus has already returned. Matt 24 and Mark13 are a mystery to christians because the way they are written it has Jesus saying that He would return to gather the saints and settle accounts with satan within the generation in which He was living. Jesus absolutely did not return and gather the saints and settle accounts in that generation nor in the 19 or more generations since then. I do not know what was written in the original letters of Matt24 and Mark13, maybe there has been just enough change in the "this generation shall not pass away until all is fulfilled"to make it fit in with what has actually happened, I don't really know, however I do know that Matt24 has Jesus returning in that generation, and I absolutely know beyond any possible doubt that Jesus has not returned as described in Matt 24.

 

[Hitch]

Anyone who can read will find that Jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed and He would return in the sky with angels and gather the believers (this generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled). We all know from history that Jerusalem was destroyed in that generation but Jesus did not return in the sky and gather the believers, if this makes God silly and disgusting to you then so be it,but don't make a complete fool out of yourself by trying to claim Jesus returned when Jesus has not returned.

Produce such a claim made by me

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT JESUS HAS RETURNED AND GATHERED THE SAINTS....it would be easier to prove to this forum that the earth is flat then to prove that Jesus has already returned. Matt 24 and Mark13 are a mystery to christians because the way they are written it has Jesus saying that He would return to gather the saints and settle accounts with satan within the generation in which He was living. Jesus absolutely did not return and gather the saints and settle accounts in that generation nor in the 19 or more generations since then. I do not know what was written in the original letters of Matt24 and Mark13, maybe there has been just enough change in the "this generation shall not pass away until all is fulfilled"to make it fit in with what has actually happened, I don't really know, however I do know that Matt24 has Jesus returning in that generation, and I absolutely know beyond any possible doubt that Jesus has not returned as described in Matt 24.

You've openly lied about what you claim Jesus said so I reckon Im in good company

 

[warhorse]

this is really pathetic Can you point to the NT uses of 'nigh' to mean great distance or time ?

Can you point out the NT uses of 'soon' in which it reasonably requires many thousands of years?

Do you think God is capable of communicating with humans?

Yes!!! James 5v7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth NIGH.

Almost 2000 yrs now. Note same concept i was teaching over in fig tree 101

 

[Sam21]

Yes!!! James 5v7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth NIGH.

Almost 2000 yrs now. Note same concept i was teaching over in fig tree 101

Of course it HAS TO BE like that because Jesus has not returned in the sky and gathered the saints and defeated the antichrist and bound satan. All of us are somewhat confused by the "shortly" and "soon" and "at hand", however the truth is that Christ did not return in the first generation or in the last 19 generations, so we either keep faith in God anyway or we give the whole thing up, or as some are attempting to do, lie like a dog and claim that it has all taken place. I just don't like lying,all liars will have their part in the lake of fire,so I may be confused by the "soons",but I would rather admit having trouble then to lie.

 

[Sam21]

this is really pathetic Can you point to the NT uses of 'nigh' to mean great distance or time ?

Can you point out the NT uses of 'soon' in which it reasonably requires many thousands of years?

Do you think God is capable of communicating with humans?

In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd.

 

[Hitch]

In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd.

Quote me saying that Sam

 

[Hitch]

In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you.

the slight I dont mind ya gives some ya gets some

The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it

But the blatant fabrication is puzzeling

[...totally absurd.

 

[Hitch]

Yes!!! James 5v7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth NIGH.

Almost 2000 yrs now. Note same concept i was teaching over in fig tree 101

Ok Now prove that the passage speaks of a bodily coming, remember bodily' comings' are the minority in scripture.;)

A first step might be to explain why the Apostle wrote in such strong terms, something that , in your view, had nothing to do with those addressed.

And dont worry I wont bring up the 100 or so NT uses of 'nigh' , it would just be piling on

 

[Sinthesis]

Ok Now prove that the passage speaks of a bodily coming, remember bodily' comings' are the minority in scripture.;)

A first step might be to explain why the Apostle wrote in such strong terms, something that , in your view, had nothing to do with those addressed.

And dont worry I wont bring up the 100 or so NT uses of 'nigh' , it would just be piling on

[Gabby Johnson sees the Messiah riding into town]
Gabby Johnson: Hey! The Messiah's a nig...
[Clock bell chimes]
Harriet Johnson: What did he say?
Dr. Sam Johnson: He said the Messiah's near.
Gabby Johnson: No, gone blame it dang blammit! The Messiah is a nig...
[Clock bell chimes again]

My sincerest apologies to Mel Brooks and anyone who read this.2

 

[Sam21]

How liberating it is to tell the truth! The truth is that in our modern versions of the bible, Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus also described His return in the sky and being seen by all and gathering all the believers, and then Jesus said that this generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled. The context implies that ALL meant not only the destruction of Jerusalem but also the return of Christ. The truth is that in fact the destruction of Jerusalem did occur before that generation passed away,however the return of Christ that would be seen by all and the gathering of the believers did not occur in that generation and has not yet occured 1900 years later. Now there may be an answer for why the return of Christ was said to occur before that generation had passed away(maybe John is still alive?)when by all human knowledge that generation has passed away and Christ has not returned, I don't know that there is an answer. I do know that I believed in God before I ever read the bible,so my faith in God is solid regardless. No one wants to admit this but two things are absolutely true,one is that Jesus said He would return before His generation had passed away, and the other is that 1900 years later Jesus has not yet returned. If anyone has a really truthful answer for this one then please share with the rest of us.

 

[Hitch]

How liberating it is to tell the truth! The truth is that in our modern versions of the bible, Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus also described His return in the sky and being seen by all and gathering all the believers, and then Jesus said that this generation will not pass away until all is fulfilled. The context implies that ALL meant not only the destruction of Jerusalem but also the return of Christ. The truth is that in fact the destruction of Jerusalem did occur before that generation passed away,however the return of Christ that would be seen by all and the gathering of the believers did not occur in that generation and has not yet occured 1900 years later. Now there may be an answer for why the return of Christ was said to occur before that generation had passed away(maybe John is still alive?)when by all human knowledge that generation has passed away and Christ has not returned, I don't know that there is an answer. I do know that I believed in God before I ever read the bible,so my faith in God is solid regardless. No one wants to admit this but two things are absolutely true,one is that Jesus said He would return before His generation had passed away, and the other is that 1900 years later Jesus has not yet returned. If anyone has a really truthful answer for this one then please share with the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd.

Quote me saying that Sam ,tell the truth its liberating.

. If anyone has a really truthful answer for this one then please share with the rest of us