Heaven on Earth?

[veteran]

What's the difference between the Heavenly and the earthly, spiritual things and physical things?

That's the area where many fellow-believers on Christ Jesus are being violently attacked today. The doctrines of men in their long trek to appear very religious and holy (unto themselves and to the deceived) are ever busy trying to come up with new ways to take God's Word out of context and 'spiritualize' It. Be warned brethren, if you listen to that mess you won't have any Kingdom to come under Christ left remaining, for those false prophets are busy spiritualizing God's literal Kingdom away to cause confusion.

So how are we to understand the difference between this earthly existence and the Heavenly existence?

I'm going to reveal a mystery, not one of 'their' many false 'mysteries', but a mystery from God in His Word. Note the "river" written of in Genesis 2:

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
(KJV)

Do you see those other rivers on the earth where that one River coming out of Eden fed them? That River which went out of Eden is this same River mentioned here:

Rev 22:1-4
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him:
4 And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
(KJV)

We don't know for sure where that Pison river originally was upon the earth, but we do know today where the land of Ethiopia is, and where the Hiddekel river is (called the Tigris river per Dan.10:4, in Iraq), and the Euphrates river (in Iraq, which was the area of ancient Assyria).

God's River in Eden went out to feed those other four rivers on the earth. Let that sink in. God's Eden was once upon this earth. Let that sink in.

Because of the sin by Adam and Eve, God drove Adam out of His Garden of Eden, and then setup flaming Cherubim at the east of the Garden which turning every way (all directions) to guard the way of the tree of life in the midst of God's Garden. Recall what our Lord Jesus said about that Tree of Life in God's Garden of Eden...

Rev 2:7
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
(KJV)

Here in the New Testament, which came from Greek manuscripts, God's Eden is rendered as "paradise". Per the end of Genesis 3, God setup flaiming Cherubim to guard His Eden, and specifically the way to the Tree of Life that is in the middle (midst) of God's Eden, or Paradise. The Cherubim is plural for Cherub. Those are Heavenly beings, not fleshy people. Wherever those Cherubim are guarding the Tree of Life in God's Eden, that is where our LORD is, i.e., in Heaven.

God's Garden Eden was once upon this very earth at one time. That's exactly what Genesis 2 shows. And also, that God's River in His Garden of Eden went out and watered those other four rivers that are upon the earth, the Pison, the Gihon (in Ethiopia), the Hiddekel (Tigris), and Euphrates.

 

[veteran]

What does your mind allow in understanding how God's Eden was once manifested upon the earth?

Does that revelation go against what your Church has been teaching you about the Heavenly? Are they telling you this earth has nothing to do with Christ's future Salvation? Are they teaching you that the Heavenly cannot manifest upon this earth? Are they saying Heaven is not a physical place? Are they trying to replace the idea of Heavenly existence with ghost stories?

Per God's Word, there are TWO dimensions of existence. One is this earthly existence, the other is the Heavenly where God now is, His Son sitting on His Right Hand, His flaming Cherubs gathered about guarding His Throne, and all the holy angels with Him.

Is that Heavenly existence any LESS REAL than this earthly one today? Not according to God's Word. That River in Eden example shows the Heavenly can also exist UPON this earth, the two dimensions can be linked together at the same time and space. When our Lord Jesus revealed to us about that River again in Rev.22:1, He was showing how it will come back... to this earth.

What does that kind of understanding do with men's doctrines that wrongly teach this earth is going to be totally destroyed and no more? What does it do to men's traditions that falsely teach God's Kingdom is of some kind of ghost world beyond the clouds? Those ideas of men's doctrines are pagan ideaology. God's future Kingdom will be established upon this earth, just as God once had His Garden of Eden established upon this earth per Genesis 2.

What's even MORE important about that, is it shows us HOW to recognize God's True Kingdom to come. By understanding that the Heavenly dimension can manifest upon this earth, with God's direct Presence here on earth among us, that's how we cannot be fooled by the "workers of iniquity" who try to pass off a fake kingdom instead.

THIS is the reason the Apostle Paul taught us in 1 Cor.15:49 that as we all have borne the "image of the earthy", we shall all also bear the "image of the heavenly". That's about the future change to our "spiritual body", a body of incorruption, one that won't get sick, won't feel pain, etc. It is not a ghost body, it is a Heavenly type body, a body that can live with GOD through Eternity. It can eat the food the earth produces. It can live upon this earth. And on the 7th last trump, all alive on earth will be changed at an instant to that "image of the heavenly". That's HOW we all will literally see Christ in Glory. And that time is getting very close today.

So is the Heavenly manifested on the earth today? Do we see God having manifested His Eden upon this earth again, with that River of the Waters of Life coming out from His Throne per Rev.22:1? No, not yet. But we are to patiently wait in hope for it, staying Faithful to Him until the end of this present world, for it will end with fire, God's consuming fire. Compared to that coming time, then how should we be and think today? How should we think of this present world? We are here for a purpose as Christ's servants; we've got His work to be doing in helping to prepare others for this coming change upon this earth. God has given this earth to be possessed by His children only. The wicked will not inhabit this earth. No place will be found for them. This earth is 'ours', not 'theirs'. God is preparing to purge the wicked off this earth, while His servants will remain and inherit it through Christ Jesus.

 

[whirlwind]

What's the difference between the Heavenly and the earthly, spiritual things and physical things?

That's the area where many fellow-believers on Christ Jesus are being violently attacked today. The doctrines of men in their long trek to appear very religious and holy (unto themselves and to the deceived) are ever busy trying to come up with new ways to take God's Word out of context and 'spiritualize' It. Be warned brethren, if you listen to that mess you won't have any Kingdom to come under Christ left remaining, for those false prophets are busy spiritualizing God's literal Kingdom away to cause confusion.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament: not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

So how are we to understand the difference between this earthly existence and the Heavenly existence?

I'm going to reveal a mystery, not one of 'their' many false 'mysteries', but a mystery from God in His Word. Note the "river" written of in Genesis 2:

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
(KJV)

Do you see those other rivers on the earth where that one River coming out of Eden fed them? That River which went out of Eden is this same River mentioned here:

Rev 22:1-4
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him:
4 And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
(KJV)

We don't know for sure where that Pison river originally was upon the earth, but we do know today where the land of Ethiopia is, and where the Hiddekel river is (called the Tigris river per Dan.10:4, in Iraq), and the Euphrates river (in Iraq, which was the area of ancient Assyria).

God's River in Eden went out to feed those other four rivers on the earth. Let that sink in. God's Eden was once upon this earth. Let that sink in.

Because of the sin by Adam and Eve, God drove Adam out of His Garden of Eden, and then setup flaming Cherubim at the east of the Garden which turning every way (all directions) to guard the way of the tree of life in the midst of God's Garden. Recall what our Lord Jesus said about that Tree of Life in God's Garden of Eden...

Rev 2:7
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
(KJV)

Here in the New Testament, which came from Greek manuscripts, God's Eden is rendered as "paradise". Per the end of Genesis 3, God setup flaiming Cherubim to guard His Eden, and specifically the way to the Tree of Life that is in the middle (midst) of God's Eden, or Paradise. The Cherubim is plural for Cherub. Those are Heavenly beings, not fleshy people. Wherever those Cherubim are guarding the Tree of Life in God's Eden, that is where our LORD is, i.e., in Heaven.

God's Garden Eden was once upon this very earth at one time. That's exactly what Genesis 2 shows. And also, that God's River in His Garden of Eden went out and watered those other four rivers that are upon the earth, the Pison, the Gihon (in Ethiopia), the Hiddekel (Tigris), and Euphrates.

Do you see the "pure river of water of life" as literal water?

 

[researcher]

Interesting topic veteran, thanks.

As for the "river" of living waters, the Lord is the living water.

Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

[veteran]

Do I see that River of Rev:22:1 and Ezekiel 47 as literal? YES, you bet I do! As also the River in Eden per Genesis 2 that went out of God's Garden and fed four other rivers on the earth, as written!

Thinking that is meant only in the spiritual sense is one of the problems many brethren are having in their thinking today. They are being wrongly taught to replace literal events to come with a spiritualization of it. The River of the Waters of Life is going to be a real manifestation on this earth. There are many Old Testament Scriptures about it, including that one of Genesis 2. Ezekiel 47 shows that River will heal other waters it comes into contact with on the earth, literally.

God's future Kingdom under Christ Jesus will have REAL substance! To try and spiritualize those things away is to create a fantasy in the mind which has no real substance. When our Lord Jesus told the woman at the well that those who drink of the Waters He was talking about shall never die, in final He was always pointing to the future new heavens and a new earth, and the glory of that time to come. That's what Christ's Salvation has always been about.

Rom 8:18
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
(KJV)

Was Paul talking about a spiritualization there, or was he talking about a coming Reality?

Rom 8:22-25
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
(KJV)

Paul even says we are saved by hope, a hope that is not 'seen' yet, for what we can already see we no longer have a hope for its coming. But if we hope for that we don't yet see, then we patiently are waiting for it to come. He's talking about the literal changes that will take place with us, and with this earth per the new heavens and a new earth future timing. He says even the "creation" awaits for that adoption.

In other words, the Apostle Paul is talking about a REAL LITERAL manifestation of the Heavenly on earth, not a spiritualized fantasy that has no real physical substance. When he's talking about the "redemption of our body", he's talking about the coming "image of the heavenly" we all shall put on. If that kind of change happens to those who have borne the "image of the earthly", then why is it so hard to understand there will be literal earth changes to go along with that? This earth is going to be different then too, literally.