How do you see coming events unfolding?

[johnny botwright]

looking for the correct sequence, order of events?
if possable, a clearer picture,
We have the abomination that causes desolation,?
the same abomination, spoken of by Jesus and Daniel,

Surrounding Jerusalem, then standing were it should not stand,

Some are now saying the ten heads could be Islamic countries,
And Jerusalem the Harlot, not Rome.

Not E.U countries as some believe. Ie the ten heads

Daniel chapter eleven some say the king from the north arrives in Israel three and a half years before the kings of the east. ?

Also that the anti Christ will reign from Jerusalem, though some say, he will only have an embassy there.?
I know the Main Muslim leader in Jerusalem, in the second world war, raised a Muslim army, to help Hitler, and shared the same goal, to destroy the Jewish people.

Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

So all this leaves a few questions, this being the case, the Jews would never accept Islam, or a Muslim leader.

Does the anti Christ take Jerusalem by force, or invited, or raised up within?

Whose armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and why/
If the kings of the east, Islam backed by china, china dependent on oil from Iran, middle east, in bed with Iran, Russia is in the frame also,
Iran now has the best fighter planes in the world, with another 175 on order, updating all its ground to air missiles, like wise the Lebanon, just received more missiles, than most countries have.

Peace peace false, then destruction comes, we know it’s written, the kings of the east, slay a third of man kind,
That would be two billion, at today’s count.
The illuminati, and those in the ruling elite pyramid, on one of their latest, monuments, states; a depopulation of the planet, down to 500.000,000 would be acceptable to them, and would welcome world war three.
Gets rid of your unemployment and pensions crisis to.


We know that there will come such a tribulation, that has not been seen before or will not be seen again, and unless God shortened those days, no one would survive,
Some say this is a spiritual tribulation, some a physical, both?

Nuclear exchange, Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, the kings of the east, continue their conquest from the Middle East.
If it is the kings of the east surrounding Jerusalem, it could be true to say that Islam is the abomination that causes desolation?
The Mongol armies in the past, came all the way to Poland, across the steps, Plaines.

Then there is the battle of Armagenon, and Ezekiel speaks of mog and gog, we know satan gathers these hordes after he has been bound for a thousand years, and God puts a hook, through their jaw, and brings them down to slaughter at Israel.

But there is a mention of another battle, where a large force descends from the north, and is defeated, at Israel, and takes 7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the land,
Some say one battle is prior to the return of Jesus, and one is the final battle,

We see also at the return of Jesus, Israel, Jerusalem, is under captivity, the anti Christ and his forces are driven back, and defeated, when, Jesus
Returns in great power and glory, with the host of heaven with him.

We also know one of the riders when the seals are open, is given a sword to take peace from the earth, some say God will use Islam, to bring war, judgement falling on both east and west.
And through this God will bring the religious Islam and political power down
The west?

If any one can unravel these events, and put them in correct sequence,
And create a clearer picture, as to how things could unfold in the days to come, be my guest.

The last time the United Kingdom was invaded, conquered was 1066 by William the Conquer,
The English King was shot in the eye with an arrow.
Just a thought, I wonder


EYE , LOOK, SEE ARROW POINTING >

If we take 1066 and go 06/06/2010 if any event will again happen around this dates, that will be significant to the united kingdom,

Or if we take 06/06/2010 and go 6+6 = 12 2+10=12

The 12th of the 12th

Now a lot of talk regarding the December 212012 johnny

 

[Vic C.]

Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

An antichrist is anyone that has denied or denies the Father and the Son... and has also denied or denies Christ (Messiah) has come in the flesh.

He did, some 2,000 years ago; we know that; the rest of the unbelieving world doesn't. They would all be "antichrists", for they were and are filled with the spirit of antichrist. But I do believe that one day, the entity/being which rules this spirit will be revealed to the world for what "it" is.

 

[JudaicChristian]

A person should note that a number of "end times" are mentioned in scriptures. The term is a generalization.

 

[veteran]

Well, sounds like you've been paying attention to various end time views, which is a sign you want to actually know what God's Word really teaches about the end. That's good, because others have given up trying to discover it.

looking for the correct sequence, order of events?
if possable, a clearer picture,
We have the abomination that causes desolation,?
the same abomination, spoken of by Jesus and Daniel,

Surrounding Jerusalem, then standing were it should not stand,

Study more in Daniel 11 and what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 170 B.C. Jerusalem. The placing of the abomination that makes desolate involves placing of an idol for false worship, which is what Antiochus did in the temple in Jerusalem. Don't confuse that word 'desolation' with destruction by armies. It's two separate things. Ezekiel 8 gives a picture of the placement of an image of jealousy, an idol, that causes God to go afar off from His sanctuary in Jerusalem. That's the "abomination of desolation" meaning. It's about causing desolation in the temple by the setting up of idol worship, a much worse type of desolation than a destruction by armies. This is why false idol worship happens first in the last days, and then the "sudden destruction" that ends it with Christ's coming. The northern armies of Ezekiel 38 & 39 come upon Israel on the last day of this world to try and fully destroy them. The AOD happens prior to that, and will involve false worship (the image of the beast setup at the end of Rev.13).

Some are now saying the ten heads could be Islamic countries,
And Jerusalem the Harlot, not Rome.

Ezekiel 38 gives the list of nations joined at the very end who come up against Israel on the final day. Some of those on that list are Islamic nations which have been trying to destroy Israel for a long time. The word "chief" in "chief prince of Meshech" (Ezek.38:3) is the word 'rosh', and points to Russia. That just so happens to be one of the non-Islamic nations today that supports Islamic nations against Israel. So watch other non-Islamic nations outside the middleast that in turn ally with Russia (like China, North Korea, etc.).

Daniel chapter eleven some say the king from the north arrives in Israel three and a half years before the kings of the east. ?

That's about the prep for setting up the abomination of desolation to start idol worship for all nations. See the pattern of the king of Assyria in Isaiah 10 coming out of the north city by city towards Jerusalem. That may be how false messiah (king of the north) will arrive on the world stage. Antiochus' army conquered Jerusalem, and then setup the idol after he'd taken the city. But Ezekiel 38 when the great army comes out of the northern quarters to destroy Israel, that's the Armageddon event that will end this world, because Christ will step in to stop that army (per Ezek.39). That will be the gathering of the nation's armies to surround Jerusalem of Zeph.3:8 and Luke 21:22.

Also that the anti Christ will reign from Jerusalem, though some say, he will only have an embassy there.?
I know the Main Muslim leader in Jerusalem, in the second world war, raised a Muslim army, to help Hitler, and shared the same goal, to destroy the Jewish people.

2 Thess.2, Matt.24, Mark 13, and Rev.13 through 18 shows a particular antichrist will reign as king in Jerusalem for a time prior to the great destruction of the Ezek.38 armies by Christ's coming at Armageddon. 2 Thess.2:3-4 and Rev.11:1-2 hint that another Jewish temple will exist for that.

Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

So all this leaves a few questions, this being the case, the Jews would never accept Islam, or a Muslim leader.

Right. Not just unbelieving Jews will accept and worship that false king messiah, but anyone that is deceived about that false one's identity and time of coming, including deceived brother Christians. That is one way to know that false one must do supernatural wonders on earth to deceive with, miracles like it says at the end of Rev.13. A show of miracle working won't be enough to prove our Lord Jesus has returned. We must stay in God's Word and understand the events leading up to Christ's coming so as to stay on watch.

Does the anti Christ take Jerusalem by force, or invited, or raised up within?

Dan.11 shows he will come to power with the help of a "small people", using peace and flatteries. A small people points to a small group, like traitors in the midst, the "crept in unawares" idea in God's Word. Important to note the world economy is controlled by a smaller group of wealthy individuals.

Whose armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and why/
If the kings of the east, Islam backed by china, china dependent on oil from Iran, middle east, in bed with Iran, Russia is in the frame also,
Iran now has the best fighter planes in the world, with another 175 on order, updating all its ground to air missiles, like wise the Lebanon, just received more missiles, than most countries have.

You're on the right track. But there's also a lesser known history of financiers in the West who supported the 1917 October Revolution in Russia, and also gave funds to help Hitler build his war machine. There's also evidence some in the West allowed war materials to filter to North Vietnam via Poland when our U.S. soldiers were dying in battle against the North Vietnamese Communists. Don't be surprised when the world eventually learns about that history. Afterall, the U.S. Lend-lease program of 1940 established by FDR helped build the Soviet military machine that became such a threat after WWII. International financiers often have funded both sides of a conflict. The Ezek.38 nation list shows nothing of western nations participating in the coming upon Israel.

Peace peace false, then destruction comes, we know it’s written, the kings of the east, slay a third of man kind,
That would be two billion, at today’s count.

The slaying of one third in Rev.9 is a spiritual slaying of the soul, not a literal one of flesh. Recall earlier in Rev.9 the locust army is NOT allowed to kill anyone NOT sealed with God's sealing. Those not sealed is about being deceived by the false one. So if they can't kill those who don't have God's seal, what does it mean for those who do have God's sealing? It's those who stand in Christ to the end, not being deceived, the false one will target. Some of us are going to be killed.

The affect of the tribulation will be twofold. For those deceived, it will mean the spiritual killing of their souls through deception. Won't be a good thing for those Christ finds spiritually dead when He returns that have bowed in worship to the antichrist. For those not deceived, the tribulation will be according to the persecutions of Christians per history of the Church.

The illuminati, and those in the ruling elite pyramid, on one of their latest, monuments, states; a depopulation of the planet, down to 500.000,000 would be acceptable to them, and would welcome world war three.
Gets rid of your unemployment and pensions crisis to.

Dan.11 declares that craft will prosper at the hand of the false messiah. That's about the idea of prosperity. Wouldn't be surprised the world economic slump of today is being created on purpose only to prepare for that false one's coming to pull it out and create a time of peace and prosperity upon the earth. That's ultimately what the one world government system is supposed to do. For today, they are removing the wealth of God's people and giving it to our enemies that hate Christ Jesus. When Jesus returns, He's going to seize back that wealth from His enemies and give it back to His people.

But there is a mention of another battle, where a large force descends from the north, and is defeated, at Israel, and takes 7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the land,
Some say one battle is prior to the return of Jesus, and one is the final battle,

Ezekiel 38 and 39 cover events leading up to the time of Ezekiel's temple in chapters 40 through 48 of Christ's reign on earth with His elect priests. A list of specific nations is given in Ezek.38 linked to Gog and Magog. And that alignment of nations can be discovered today in the world. But the Gog and Magog example at the end of Christ's thousand years reign has no such nation list. It's instead used in Rev.20 as a general sense of Christ's enemies that will perish with Satan. That helps separate the two times.

 

[watchman F]

The tribulation will start at the end of the Tribulation Jesus will return, Resurrect the just, translate the saints destroy the wicked. He will then set up His Millennial reign The resurrected/rapture believers will reign over the unsaved resisters during the Millennium, then satan is loosed, the last rebellion, the white throne judgment, and then eternity in New Jerusalem.

 

[johnny botwright]

thankyou all for your imput, vetren thankyou to for taking the time to straighten out some of the post.

revelations chapter nine in the king James version , speaks cleary of an army, killing, ie kings of the East. so i have alays seen that conquest as pshyical, rather than spiritual.

i know for some Jerusalem is split, how the anti christ would be accepted by Jew and Muslim.?
or is one or the other?

many are now saying, speaking of world war three, know one seems to say, if this will usher in the anti christ,
others first the anti christ will appear, a time of peace,calm before the storm. but not a lasting peace, then global conflict/tribulation. and all hell brakes lose?

johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ezekiel 38 and 39 cover events leading up to the time of Ezekiel's temple in chapters 40 through 48 of Christ's reign on earth with His elect priests. A list of specific nations is given in Ezek.38 linked to Gog and Magog. And that alignment of nations can be discovered today in the world. But the Gog and Magog example at the end of Christ's thousand years reign has no such nation list. It's instead used in Rev.20 as a general sense of Christ's enemies that will perish with Satan. That helps separate the two times.

Sorry but the people who dwell in Israel today dont dwell without walls .It is not the land of unwalled villiges yet.During the millinnial reign they shall dwell without walls.At that time they shall be at rest.
So the God-Magog war of Eze is the same Gog-Magog war of Revelation.

Unless you can prove that the people who dwell in Israel are at rest and live carelessly without bars or walls,your theory fails misserably.

 

[veteran]

revelations chapter nine in the king James version , speaks cleary of an army, killing, ie kings of the East. so i have alays seen that conquest as pshyical, rather than spiritual.

That's always easiest, to take the first view that comes into the mind. But when we continue there in Rev.9 about that locust army released on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe, the Scripture shows all that smoke, fire and brimstone to destroy actually comes out of their MOUTHS. God's Word often does this, causes a certain view to come forth, and if we're not careful, we'll can miss the punchline that often comes later. And many times the punchline doesn't come until the middle, or even the very end of the chapter. There's some OT chapters where the main message isn't revealed until the names of people or places is translated. The KJV translators did not always translate that part for us.

i know for some Jerusalem is split, how the anti christ would be accepted by Jew and Muslim.?
or is one or the other?

That's certainly something to think about, because if the coming false messiah is going to be so deceptive in working that the majority of the world will bow to him as God, then his outward likeness or physical appearance might be a wonder in itself. Apostle Paul did say in 2 Cor.11 that no marvel, for Satan is transformed (disguised per the Greek) as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness. He will be all things to all peoples is the idea I think.

many are now saying, speaking of world war three, know one seems to say, if this will usher in the anti christ,
others first the anti christ will appear, a time of peace,calm before the storm. but not a lasting peace, then global conflict/tribulation. and all hell brakes lose?

johnny

Consider how wars have been used throughout history to gain control over the earth. Before WWII, there were many nations in middle Europe and Asia Minor that were Christian nations, some of them even had Christian kings and queens sitting upon thrones. At the end of WWII, those nations were given to Communist Russia overnight, and some of our western leaders were in on that bargain. Churchill got angry at FDR for caving in to Stalin to allow that to happen.

Around 700 A.D., Muslims armies invaded southern Europe and southern areas of Asia Minor, aimed especially at destroying Christian nations in that area. The king of France stopped them at the northern border of Spain.

The 100 years war between England and France showed how smaller factions on both sides could subject their own peoples to death and falsely influence kings who were kinsfolk to fight against each other, brother against brother. And the real enemy behind the start of those wars was often never identified.

Two period works on the French Revolution showed how subversive elements in the French Jacobin clubs aligned with occultists and certain lodges of secret societies were the real cause of it. (Proofs Of A Conspiracy by John Robison -1798, and another period work by the Abbe Barruel). A smaller group working behind the scenes in secret to foment the peoples to revolt. The priests at our Lord's first coming also stirred up the crowds in front of Pilate to say, "Crucify Him!" The result of the French Revolution? Execution of the royal bloodline of France, and the setting up of cosmopolitanism and socialism to weaken Christianity in France.

Then later in early 1900's Christian Russia, the same thing happens with assasination of Czar Nicholaus II and Queen Alexandria, both descendents of Queen Victoria of Britain. That takeover was by a very small group also, working behind the scenes in secret to foment revolution among the people. It shouldn't be difficult to look back in history now, and see how there has been a concerted attack upon Christian royal families in the West, including subverise propaganda against them.

My point is how wars today can easily be used to influence the masses to BEG for the time of "Peace and safety" Apostle Paul showed will happen for the purpose of deception, just prior to Christ's coming. If there does come a WWIII, I do not believe it will be the Armageddon timing, because right after the false "Peace and safety" timing is when Paul showed the "sudden destruction" of Christ's wrath happens at His coming. Why would the workers of iniquity cause a WWIII then maybe? Cause a problem, present a solution. And their solution? To set their 'king of the world' upon Zion, instead of our Lord Jesus The Real KING. In your patience keep your souls, is what our Lord Jesus said.

 

[johnny botwright]

just a genral observation, 1936 the great depression, 1939 the 2nd world war

Germany hyper inflation, Hitlers war machine funded by who? refined oil from where?
iluminati? mobile oil?

started by an assasination, some one pulled a trigger, and the rest is history.

I know war and reconstruction is very big business, mega bucks for those fianacing it.
how many nrmal cars wuld you have to sell, to equal one plane, or missile.
i wonder if war , conflict also answers some of the goverments other problems, and can be seen as a solution?

there are some intresting replys at http://www.prophecytalk.com concerning this post, subject

in the end times discussion forum concerning, how events may unfold, particularly concerning the present situation in the middle east,
God bless johnny

 

[veteran]

just a genral observation, 1936 the great depression, 1939 the 2nd world war

Germany hyper inflation, Hitlers war machine funded by who? refined oil from where?
iluminati? mobile oil?

started by an assasination, some one pulled a trigger, and the rest is history.

I know war and reconstruction is very big business, mega bucks for those fianacing it.
how many nrmal cars wuld you have to sell, to equal one plane, or missile.
i wonder if war , conflict also answers some of the goverments other problems, and can be seen as a solution?

there are some intresting replys at http://www.prophecytalk.com concerning this post, subject

in the end times discussion forum concerning, how events may unfold, particularly concerning the present situation in the middle east,
God bless johnny

The main point to understand, is that our Lord Jesus foretold we would hear of wars and rumours of wars, but to not be troubled, for the end is not yet (Matt.24:6; Mark 13:7). What's the opposite of wars and rumours of wars? A time of peace. That's what He was pointing to when the end of this world will come, which shows it will not be by all out war between nations on earth. That time of world peace is the "Peace and safety" timing Paul was telling us about in 1 Thess.5, which the "sudden destruction" of Christ's coming happens right after that.

It is difficult to see nations at war on earth and not feel troubled by it, especially if all nations on earth were involved. Yet our Lord Jesus showed for us to not be troubled by that, but to watch for that time of fake world peace that is coming at the end, the fake "Peace and safety" which will be tribulation timing.

 

[Elijah674]

Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

An antichrist is anyone that has denied or denies the Father and the Son... and has also denied or denies Christ (Messiah) has come in the flesh.

He did, some 2,000 years ago; we know that; the rest of the unbelieving world doesn't. They would all be "antichrists", for they were and are filled with the spirit of antichrist. But I do believe that one day, the entity/being which rules this spirit will be revealed to the world for what "it" is.

How about just the [TWO] groups in Matt. 6
[24] No man can serve [two masters:] for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Surely these Antichrist must be these of Rev. 17:1-5's complete package!

And the two identifying could mean 'mental' 666 professed Christians which these ones are, + the mark in the hand who still are in bed with satan, but just not putting up any fuss! I mean. who cares about the 666 thing, we want to both buy & sell! So they are still in membership with satans UNITED crew!

--Elijah

PS: And you say:
'He did, some 2,000 years ago; 'we know that; the rest of the unbelieving world doesn't.' Yet, do we not BELIEVE Heb. 6:6 as a Eccl. 3:15 REPEAT by even 'lost' professed believing ones?? And Eze. 9:1-11 surely finds the [DONE DEAL] leaving but just an 'clearly IDENTIFIED FEW' saved whith the [WHOLE PROFESSED HOUSE] being slaughtered by [GOD COMMAND].'

 

[dawnoftheken]

For years I was obsessed with The End Times and The Book of Revelation. Especially The Second Coming. I eventually doubted The Second Coming of Christ. Then about 2 weeks ago I had a good talk over dinner with a good friend. I now see signs all around me that Jesus is indeed coming back.
First the popularity of Barack Obama worries me. Even though he says he follows after the teachings of Christianity (I'm not going to question his walk with God) the fact is his father was a Muslim. Plus Obama's middle name is Hussein and last name is simular to the head of Al quida's supposed leader, Osama bin Laden. What I'm getting at is with Obama's popularity I could see (down the road) The United States having a Muslim President. Or at the very least paving the way for a leader that embraces all faiths as equal and opening up the doorway for a One World Religion.
Then we all know about RFID microchips at first implanted in the ears of sheep to help Shepherds keep track of their sheep. Then the chip was used for beloved pets. The latest use has been used in vollenteers who had the chip placed in the hands of people for the purpose of keeping medical records. Now imagine the technology being used for all records including money. Thus opening the doorway for a cashless society.
Plus world peace talks. I could easily see a pollitical figure being even more popular than Obama and such a person being The Anti-Christ. That brought back my belief in The Second Coming of Christ and the validity of The Bible.

 

[Elijah674]

looking for the correct sequence, order of events?
if possable, a clearer picture,
We have the abomination that causes desolation,?
the same abomination, spoken of by Jesus and Daniel,

Surrounding Jerusalem, then standing were it should not stand,

Some are now saying the ten heads could be Islamic countries,
And Jerusalem the Harlot, not Rome.

Not E.U countries as some believe. Ie the ten heads

Daniel chapter eleven some say the king from the north arrives in Israel three and a half years before the kings of the east. ?

Also that the anti Christ will reign from Jerusalem, though some say, he will only have an embassy there.?
I know the Main Muslim leader in Jerusalem, in the second world war, raised a Muslim army, to help Hitler, and shared the same goal, to destroy the Jewish people.

Some say, the Jews will welcome the anti Christ, and believe him to be the one they have been waiting for? The anti Christ is anti Christian, not anti Jew.?

So all this leaves a few questions, this being the case, the Jews would never accept Islam, or a Muslim leader.

Does the anti Christ take Jerusalem by force, or invited, or raised up within?

Whose armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and why/
If the kings of the east, Islam backed by china, china dependent on oil from Iran, middle east, in bed with Iran, Russia is in the frame also,
Iran now has the best fighter planes in the world, with another 175 on order, updating all its ground to air missiles, like wise the Lebanon, just received more missiles, than most countries have.

Peace peace false, then destruction comes, we know it’s written, the kings of the east, slay a third of man kind,
That would be two billion, at today’s count.
The illuminati, and those in the ruling elite pyramid, on one of their latest, monuments, states; a depopulation of the planet, down to 500.000,000 would be acceptable to them, and would welcome world war three.
Gets rid of your unemployment and pensions crisis to.


We know that there will come such a tribulation, that has not been seen before or will not be seen again, and unless God shortened those days, no one would survive,
Some say this is a spiritual tribulation, some a physical, both?

Nuclear exchange, Israel has at least 150 nuclear warheads, the kings of the east, continue their conquest from the Middle East.
If it is the kings of the east surrounding Jerusalem, it could be true to say that Islam is the abomination that causes desolation?
The Mongol armies in the past, came all the way to Poland, across the steps, Plaines.

Then there is the battle of Armagenon, and Ezekiel speaks of mog and gog, we know satan gathers these hordes after he has been bound for a thousand years, and God puts a hook, through their jaw, and brings them down to slaughter at Israel.

But there is a mention of another battle, where a large force descends from the north, and is defeated, at Israel, and takes 7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the land,
Some say one battle is prior to the return of Jesus, and one is the final battle,

We see also at the return of Jesus, Israel, Jerusalem, is under captivity, the anti Christ and his forces are driven back, and defeated, when, Jesus
Returns in great power and glory, with the host of heaven with him.

We also know one of the riders when the seals are open, is given a sword to take peace from the earth, some say God will use Islam, to bring war, judgement falling on both east and west.
And through this God will bring the religious Islam and political power down
The west?

If any one can unravel these events, and put them in correct sequence,
And create a clearer picture, as to how things could unfold in the days to come, be my guest.

The last time the United Kingdom was invaded, conquered was 1066 by William the Conquer,
The English King was shot in the eye with an arrow.
Just a thought, I wonder


EYE , LOOK, SEE ARROW POINTING >

If we take 1066 and go 06/06/2010 if any event will again happen around this dates, that will be significant to the united kingdom,

Or if we take 06/06/2010 and go 6+6 = 12 2+10=12

The 12th of the 12th

Now a lot of talk regarding the December 212012 johnny

I can't buy into that at all. For me it is satans smoke screen to cause many to be lost. 70 AD's slaughter was not the Abomination that made Christ's Virgin fold DESOLATE. Think of the time/frame of Christ's annointing by God at His baptism by His Father, & the start/up of the Acts Church. How much more DESOLATE could Old Israel get????? Their SLAUGHTER came in 70 AD or 39 years later. Read Rev. 2:5 + Matt. 23:38.

--Elijah

 

[johnny botwright]

what is it you do not agree with, are you saying 70A.D was the forfillment of what Jesus was saying in Mathew 24?
as some do, or are you saying the opposite, that 70A.D was a type, of what would come in the end times?

For many God shortens the days of the great tribulation, lest no one would survive, ? and immediately after the tribulation, see,s Jesus returning in great power and Glory.

johnny

 

[Elijah674]

what is it you do not agree with, are you saying 70A.D was the forfillment of what Jesus was saying in Mathew 24?
as some do, or are you saying the opposite, that 70A.D was a type, of what would come in the end times?

For many God shortens the days of the great tribulation, lest no one would survive, ? and immediately after the tribulation, see,s Jesus returning in great power and Glory.

johnny

lijah here: Jer. 17:5 finds me believing God alone. And surely these verses are not hard to understand.. but just to believe. Remember that Peter had a hard time understand his vision from God even. And his PROBLEM was that it was his understanding of the 3 time vision & not the Lords vision. And Peter also cautioned about flawed understandings of both Paul's pen + 'OTHER SCRIPTURES'! in 2 Peter 3:`6-17.

Subject: --HISTORY REPEAT, and NO, Not preterism!!--

Just a thought: Elijah here.
If one cannot follow God's quoted Truth of Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 as the Word of God, stated CLEARLY, and in a way that even most of Heb. 5's 'milkfed' ones can even get something from. I suggest that you shy away from Ph.D'ism, the arm of flesh & the Greek, Latin, & Heb., & stick with just one King James translation itself. The BOTTOM line is, is that ALL of these others ways of finding 'some' truth, are the real reasons that have caused the BIGGEST MESS OF DIS/UNITY that the GOSPEL ALONE prophesied of! See Rev. 17:5

And I realize that there are & were some who could not understand Paul's wording of inspiration & that it is scripture that also says that.... 'which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction'. 2 Peter 3:14-17 in part.

Forum: Lets start with Eccl. 3:14.
"I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOETH, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT, NOR ANY THING TAKEN FROM IT: ..." (in part)
Actually it is just about a repeat even in Wording, as seen in Rev.'s closing verses!
The verses are a WARNING about adding to or removing any part of the Word of God! And the BOTTOM line is that ones name would be removed from the Book of Life. Now for the rest of the 14th verse. "... THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR BEFORE HIM."

For one to say that the Eccl. verses do not mean what they say, is doing just that!

Now look at the verse following verse 14. Verse 15 says.. "THAT WHICH HAS BEEN IS NOW; AND THAT WHICH IS TO BE HAS ALREADY BEEN; AND GOD REQUIRETH THAT WHICH IS PAST." GOD'S WORD says that it is so!

Take note: If it is not to be, God say that it will not be. Example: 'Sin will not arise a second time' Nah. 1:9. And we all know about the world flood not happening a second time? So, there are so very few times that history does not repeat, and that God does the easy thing for [us] by pointing out the lesser number. (by the way, Rev. is full of O.T. Sanctuary! see Ps. 77:13)

If anyone would BELIEVE THE *GODHEAD'S INSPIRED WORD (ALL OF IT! See 2 Tim. 3:16 & Matt. 4:4) they would find Few reasons for mixed up doctrinal folds.
But the bottom line is that even the Virgin Fold is going after the fate of Virgin Israel of old!! (same history) They are once again Christ/less. See Rev. 3:9 or Rev. 17:5! And the nasty repeat for them is VERIFIED in Eze. 9.
Try reading Rev. 12:17 S-L-O-W-L-E-Y! And in Christ's day, who do you think took over the 'DESOLATE' fold that Christ was put out of? It was Christ that stated that 'Your house (fold) is left unto you DESOLATE'. Matt. 23:38.

So, this is what will be the final fate of Spiritual Virgin Israel! (the 666 thing'y is for the world's testing) See 1 Peter 4:17 FOR WHO IS JUDGED FIRST.

Back to Chapter 1:9-10 of Eccl. Lets check to 'see' (if we can) if God made a mistake? (man's foolish 'poetry' remark)

We do remember that we were told that 'IT SHALL BE FOR EVER and that NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT NOR ANYTHING TAKEN FROM IT.' (chapter 3:14-15)

"THE THING THAT HATH BEEN IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE; AND THAT WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE: AND THERE IS (NOTHING) *NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN. v.9
IS THERE [*ANY THING] WHERE OF IT MAY BE SAID, SEE, THIS IS NEW? [IT HATH BEEN ALREADY OF OLD TIME, WHICH WAS BEFORE US.]" v.10

Notice that after the GodHead's question, that Their Inspiration came quickly before 'ignorant' man could botch up the question!! But what does one hear today?? Should we do the 'foolish' (Matt. 25) thing and read & study the 'earthly' educated ones reams & reams of commentaries, with hardly any two alike?? (false fold/wise at least)

Lets just add another 'documented' fact here with these two verses.
In Gen. 41:32 the Lord gave Pharaoh a vision 'TWICE'. (remember now, that we see TWICE at least in the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 that history is to be repeated) Also note that God has 'inspired' this thought ... "And for that the dream was [doubled] unto Pharaoh [twice]; it is [because the thing is established by God], and God will shortly bring it to pass.

So bottom line: If you want to know Truth, find it in the past history for the furture history to be! Exod. 16:4 + ibid. 28 All the way from the 666 test to where God 'tested' His own in the past before they were to enter the land of their Canaan. And the crucifixion of Christ a second time? See Heb. 6:6!

 

[johnny botwright]

It is said the old is in the new and the new is in the old, regarding the testements,
take Moses striking the rock, though twice instead of once. much pointed to Jesus and the work of the cross, the blood of Jesus. the sacrifice.

the way i see it, recently i felt the Lord, bringing to my attension , lenses, and telescopes.

my pastor who lives next door was showing me two lenses he had bought at auction, and i visited my brother in law, and he wanted to show me the moon through his new telescope.

a lense telescope, can bring some thing we see into clearer focus. we see more detail.

some times we need to find that which, the Lord would have us focus on,

i have seen some very good threads, people putting ideas together, speculating, researching, finding what does and does not fit, narrowing the search,
ending in a greater under standing, deeper revelation a clearer picture.
for example some one might post prince charles, ticks more boxes, concerning the anti christ,than any one eles. so the investegation begins, to see just how many boxes are ticked.

or the rapture will we stay or will we go.

a blind man who received his sight, i see men, but they are like trees walking.

we need to tune in to what the spirit is saying,what is written in the scriptures, and to focus, and then things become clearer.
i would not call this process as adding or taking away from the word of God, if one is truley seeking the truth. and the truth shall set us free.

johnny

 

[dawnoftheken]

Hello fellow brothers and sisters in Christ,
When I posted my views on End Times events unfolding I failed to read the thread of previous discussions. It never dawned on me to think about what Jesus said about wars and rumors of wars and the fact that he said that even with all that going on the will still be a ways off. So then (forgive me as I have not figured out this system yet) someone suggested that World Peace would proceed The Second Coming of Christ. I am at the very least intrigued by that idea.
Plus as most of us know about all the hoopla concerning December 21st, 2012. There are so many theories out there from the ever popular end of the world to what two friends I no longer assosiate with say will be the end of life as in a universal consiousness, the end of organized religion, even the revealing of extra terrestials living among us and lets not forget a popular idea that December 21st, 2012 is the day that Christ returns.
Well all of those ideas are faulty to say the least. I'll adress the last one. The Bible says we'll know not the day or the hour of (correct me if I'm wrong) the return of Jesus. (that is a paraphrase by the way) We have a great deal of information at our fingertips as far as The Second Coming, The Rise of top dog as far as anti-Christs are concerned, plagues, The Completion of the New World Order, the Mark of the Beast, the worship of idols including the image of The Anti-Christ, and Armageddon ect.
Anyway I look forward to further developments on this discussion.
God Bless all of you

 

[Elijah674]

Matt. 24 finds the climax when the End Shall Come!

[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

If Christ is believed by any? It is just about over. Think of what 666 will do by world Court + satalite. The world loves to watch Court Cases! (+ Sports & world wars) And think of the mass of Matt. 7's BROADWAY ONES + the Rev. 17:1-5 whole crop + Spewed out Laodicea of Rev. 3:16 & what they all have in common even as we speak. Sun worship.

OK: All hell is breaking loose worldwide! & these all will 'MIDNIGHT.. CRY' revival to appease an angry 'g'od! (NO REPENTENCE) And Ceasar forced religeon will be needed huh! And these all agree on this one fruit offering already, (Gen. 4:6-7) + USA Supreme court is already set up with NO Protestants. say's rome! And Protestants??? When was that?

--Elijah