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I believe our primary responsibility in this life is to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and with all our souls, and with all our minds:

[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment. Matt 22:36-38 RSV

That is what I believe Paul was telling us to do when he said this:

Pray constantly. 1 Thess 5:17 RSV

I believe that when we begin to love the Lord, he will direct us to repent of our sin. When we do so, our problems vanish. I believe that is what Jesus was telling us here:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
 
Elijah23 and Webb

Originally Posted by Webb
I don't read long ones
I don't either.

Wouldn’t want to have a conversation with either of you in real life. Too unsubstantial, too insignificant, too inconsequential. Not worth mentioning, not worth bothering about, not worth speaking of. Of minor importance, of no importance, of little importance.

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Elijah23

“I believe our primary responsibility in this life is to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and with all our souls, and with all our minds:

[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment. Matt 22:36-38 RSV

That is what I believe Paul was telling us to do when he said this:

Pray constantly. 1 Thess 5:17 RSV

I believe that when we begin to love the Lord, he will direct us to repent of our sin. When we do so, our problems vanish. I believe that is what Jesus was telling us here:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSVâ€


You need to read on brother.

Matt 22:39-40
39 And a second IS LIKE IT, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."
(RSV)

1John 4:20 If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
(RSV)

FC
 
Wouldn’t want to have a conversation with either of you in real life. Too unsubstantial, too insignificant, too inconsequential. Not worth mentioning, not worth bothering about, not worth speaking of. Of minor importance, of no importance, of little importance.
Actually, I think what they have been discussing is of vital importance! In fact, it is a matter of life and death and speaks volumes.
 
Wip


Webb: “so far, so goodâ€

Elijah23: “I hadn't planned to add anything.â€

Webb: “OK THENâ€

Elijah23: “I suppose I COULD add something.â€

Webb: “It would have to be more than 2 letters longâ€

Elijah23: “I do like to keep my posts brief.â€

Webb: “I don't read long onesâ€

Elijah23: “I don't either.â€

Webb: “I don'tâ€

Wip: “Actually, I think what they have been discussing is of vital importance! In fact, it is a matter of life and death and speaks volumes.â€

Webb: “Rightâ€


A matter of life and death? Speaks volumes?

Right! I’ll retire to bedlam.


It speaks volumes that you chose to speak concerning the first part of my post while ignoring the second part.

FC
 
The source of the phrase quoted in the OP has a fascenating background in the OT. The first time the scripture uses this phrase is in Deuteronomy. It occurs several places in Deuteronomy, but the most significant is Deuteronomy 29 and 30.

Deut 30:6 And Jehovah thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
The phrase from the OP is used several places in the NT. Each time it is a quote from one of several places in Deuteronomy. In the above verse, it is noticeable that the person who loves Jehovah is the person God has "circumcised thy heart." God must first do a work in the heart of a person before one can love God.

Deut 29:4 but Jehovah hath not given you a heart to know, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
The concept of eyes to see, ears to hear, is also found quoted in several places in the NT. Paul quotes it in Romans and John quotes it in his gospel. Isaiah also quotes the concept in his prophetic book. This passage tells us the reason Israel failed. They failed because God did not give them a heart to obey. In this verse it is obvious that God does not give a universal preceding (prevenient) work of Grace. God did not change the heart of each and every individual Israelite. With some Israelites he left them alone with their sin to harden their hearts.

Deuteronomy 30:1-2 has some other concepts. One must also grasp the curses and blessings of Deuteronomy. You would have to read the material in Deuteronomy 27-28 to have a handle of the blessings and cursings. I will assume the reader knows what I am talking about.
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither Jehovah thy God hath driven thee,
2 and shalt return unto Jehovah thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul;

Notice in verse 1 that Israel will call the cursings and blessings to mind when they are scattered among the nations. This assumes that Israel will be under the cursings. This connects chapter 30 back to 29:4. God did not give Israel a heart to obey him, therefore they were scattered and came under the curses of Deuteronomy.

The curses come upon the one who fails in any of the laws.
Deut 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Paul uses this verse in Galatians 3:10 to prove the falicy that a person can obey the Law of God on his own.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.

The one who loves God with all his heart, is the same one who obey's all the words of the Law without error.

Of course all this points forward to the work of Christ. Only Christ fulfilled all the law with his righteous death, and then died that substitutionary death. Christ was the one who would bring about the change of heart, and then save those to whom he gives his salvation.

This post barely scratches the surface of the depth of the wonderful work of God found in Deuteronomy, and specifically the phrase "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart." When the Lawyer in Luke 10 (parable of good samaratin) quoted this passage as that which saves, Christ answered that the Lawyer was correct, "Do this and thou shalt live."
 
Wip


Webb: “so far, so goodâ€

Elijah23: “I hadn't planned to add anything.â€

Webb: “OK THENâ€

Elijah23: “I suppose I COULD add something.â€

Webb: “It would have to be more than 2 letters longâ€

Elijah23: “I do like to keep my posts brief.â€

Webb: “I don't read long onesâ€

Elijah23: “I don't either.â€

Webb: “I don'tâ€

Wip: “Actually, I think what they have been discussing is of vital importance! In fact, it is a matter of life and death and speaks volumes.â€

Webb: “Rightâ€


A matter of life and death? Speaks volumes?

Right! I’ll retire to bedlam.


It speaks volumes that you chose to speak concerning the first part of my post while ignoring the second part.

FC
While I agree with the second part of your post, it was not being discussed by the topic of the thread. Only the greatest commandment was addressed by the OP.

Of life and death? Yes. Failure to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind has brought death upon us for the wages of sin is death and none are righteous, not one. That is why Jesus Christ had to die. In fact, I wonder if it is even possible that we can love each other as ourself if we first don't love God.
 
Mondar, i read your post! :yes



Both of em
 
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WIP

“Of life and death? Yes. Failure to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind has brought death upon us for the wages of sin is death and none are righteous, not one. That is why Jesus Christ had to die. In fact, I wonder if it is even possible that we can love each other as ourself if we first don't love God.â€


Matt 22:39-40
39 And a second IS LIKE IT, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."
(RSV)

1John 4:20 If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
(RSV)


It’s not a matter of first or second. It’s a matter of both. Both of these commandments together is the basis of all the Law. If one has only one without the other, one has neither. Jesus said “a second is like itâ€. And John says that we can’t love God without loving our brother. If anything is first, it would be loving what we see so that we can love what we can’t see. But that is just our own tendency to put everything in a time venue. In Christ, there is no time. And love of God and our brother must occur simultaneously or neither occurs at all.

FC
 
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