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From: Freedom Now World News
Widespread Gang-Rape of Boy Slaves, By Maria Sliwa, Sudan, July 15, 2002:
During a recent fact finding trip to Southern Sudan,Freedom Now World News discovered overwhelming evidence that young black, boy slaves are repeatedly gang-raped by their Arab masters. While previous reports on slavery have focused mainly on the gang-rape of female slaves, sociologist and investigative reporter, Maria Sliwa received testimony from numerous boy victims of rape.
"This type of sex is very strange to us," said recently redeemed slave Deng
Deng. I witnessed this often. If you refuse [sex], sometimes they would shoot you."

Deng Deng is a Christian who said that as a slave he was often beaten because he would not convert to Islam. Another recently freed boy slave, Deng Ayuel testified:
"I watched the Arabs rape my two sisters and I watched many slave boys being
raped as well........................I too was raped many times by my master and his
Arab friends."

Perhaps the most graphic account of male rape was given by the freed slave
Aleek Mach Deng:
"I watched my master Mohammed and four Murahaleen Arabs violently gang-rape
a young Dinka slave boy.The boy was screaming and crying a lot.................... I was very frightened, and knew I was likely next. Suddenly the boy's screams stopped as he went completely unconscious. My master took him to the hospital. I never saw him again." Many of the redeemed slaves told Sliwa that in order to avoid rape, male slaves would try to escape but were hunted down like animals by their masters.

The punishment for resisting rape is often severe beatings, death or limb
amputation. Sliwa noted that the knowledge of male slave rape is widespread and has come to the attention of community leaders in Southern Sudan.
"Many of the freed male slaves come to the chiefs and tell us they were
repeatedly raped by their Arab captors," said Nhial Chan Nhial, Paramount
Chief of Akon. "This affects their minds badly. They are subject to fits of
crying, mental problems and are often unable to marry later on in life."
Yet, in the ongoing genocidal Sudanese civil war, most are helpless to do
anything.
International law recognizes both slavery and rape in the context of armed
conflict as crimes against humanity.
Freedom Now World News is calling on the U.S. Government to investigate this
aspect of the Government of Sudan's declared jihad against the Black Africans of Southern Sudan and press for the establishment of an International Criminal Tribunal for Sudan.

* Translations reviewed by Francis Bok for accuracy
 
Christians use to rape their slaves in Colonial America. What do Christians say about this? Usually they say that these Christians were not following the example of Jesus. I am sure Muslims will says these Arabs are not following the examples of Mohammad and Allah.

People are people. Cultures and religions may vary but their actions are pretty much the same no matter what faith you have. Pointing out the splinter in their eye makes people wonder why you ignore the log in your eye.

Quath
 
Quath said:
Christians use to rape their slaves in Colonial America. What do Christians say about this? Usually they say that these Christians were not following the example of Jesus. I am sure Muslims will says these Arabs are not following the examples of Mohammad and Allah.

People are people. Cultures and religions may vary but their actions are pretty much the same no matter what faith you have. Pointing out the splinter in their eye makes people wonder why you ignore the log in your eye.

Quath
No my friend these Arabs are following the examples of Muhammad.
And what is going on in Sudan and other places where Muslims are raping Christians is right now not centuries ago don't you understand or maybe you don't want to understand. And I don't know what the Americans are saying about what happen back then but one thing I do know is this the white Christians are working on making amend towards the black community acknowledge the wrong their forefathers did, whereas your just dismissing the issue as a cultural thing, oh boy no wonder this world is a mess.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana
 
YESHUA said:
No my friend these Arabs are following the examples of Muhammad.
I am pretty sure the Quran doesn't mention Mohammad raping little boys. Jeses does not do so either, but we have Catholic priests raping little boys as well.

If you find something horrible done by a group of Muslims, I am sure you can look through history and find a Christians doing the same thing or worse.

Quath
 
so, if christians did it in the past, they should do what quath, support it now? no one has the right to object?

what's the point of your response? every christian is equally guilty of such crimes in the past and so therefore should in shame turn their heads away and let the slave boys be raped?

what's your point?
 
The purpose of this was not to try to help out some people in trouble but to try to discredit another religion by what the followers do. If you judge a religion by its followers then Islam and Christianity look the same.

I am not saying that people should turn away and ignore these crimes. I am just saying that people should not try to act holier-than-thou in such circumstances.

Quath
 
Quath said:
The purpose of this was not to try to help out some people in trouble but to try to discredit another religion by what the followers do. If you judge a religion by its followers then Islam and Christianity look the same.

I am not saying that people should turn away and ignore these crimes. I am just saying that people should not try to act holier-than-thou in such circumstances.

Quath

Bmen to that, Quath.
 
Bmen...

well, guess it works if you've gotta say something. LOL
 
Quath said:
The purpose of this was not to try to help out some people in trouble but to try to discredit another religion by what the followers do. If you judge a religion by its followers then Islam and Christianity look the same.

I am not saying that people should turn away and ignore these crimes. I am just saying that people should not try to act holier-than-thou in such circumstances.

Quath
In which way am I acting holier-than-thou? I am pointing out something terrible wrong in the Islamic world and all you can up with is I am acting holier-that-thou, and lets se what your first letter said shall we.
Pointing out the splinter in their eye and me having a log in my eye.
By the look of it I should say that they have not a splinter but a whole forest in their eye, and for you my friend what about you defending such behavior what do you have in your eye?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon and I guess you people don't know the real meaning for AMEN do you but one day I will assure you you'll find when HE that is our YES and AMEN judged you and remember we will all be judged by not only our action but also our words be is spoken or writing.
chana
 
YESHUA said:
In which way am I acting holier-than-thou? I am pointing out something terrible wrong in the Islamic world and all you can up with is I am acting holier-that-thou, and lets se what your first letter said shall we.
Pointing out the splinter in their eye and me having a log in my eye.
By the look of it I should say that they have not a splinter but a whole forest in their eye, and for you my friend what about you defending such behavior what do you have in your eye?
I am not defending them, I am just pointing out that Muslims and Christians both do these bad things. By just pointing out the Muslim bad actions you are acting holier-than-thou.

Do you see problems in the Christian world with child rape as well? That is the only point I am trying to make.

Quath
 
Gary_Bee said:
Quath is wrong. Christians who rape are NOT following Jesus' example.
If you believe Jesus is God and if you believe the Bible is true, then Jesus promotes rape.

But that is beside the point I was making. You have people that say they are following Jesus molest children and you have people that say they follow Allah molesting children. It sounds like you are trying to use the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Quath
 
The argument is very simple.

Jesus asks us to follow His example. Muhammad asks us to follow his example.

Jesus did not rape. Muhammad raped.

:wink:
 
Gary_Bee said:
The argument is very simple.

Jesus asks us to follow His example. Muhammad asks us to follow his example.

Jesus did not rape. Muhammad raped.
Well, it is not that simple. If you believe that Jesus if God then you believe that when God endorses rape, that Jesus also endorses rape.

God uses rape to punish people:
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.' - 2 Samuel 12:11-14

God assists in rape and plunder:
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. - Zechariah 14:1-2

Numbers 31 has Moses dividing up the spoils of war including the virgin women that were not killed. These women were raped (after being forced to marry the people that killed their family.) God approves of it in Numbers 31:25-27

So if you want to follow Jesus and believe Jesus is God, then rape is a valid way to follow Jesus.

Quath
 
Quath, remember that every verse you post about the bible is clearly out of context, and that every verse that a Christian posts about the Quran is clearly not out of context.
 
Asimov said:
Quath, remember that every verse you post about the bible is clearly out of context, and that every verse that a Christian posts about the Quran is clearly not out of context.

aw. :smt022
Asimov needs a hug :smt056 (no, I don't know what's going on between these two smilies but it'll have to do, whatever it is)

:evil: <---(asimov) Don't give me that look, or I'll :smt058 next time!

sorry man, but your post is exudes intense ubercrank.
 
nuhmmie said:
Asimov said:
Quath, remember that every verse you post about the bible is clearly out of context, and that every verse that a Christian posts about the Quran is clearly not out of context.

aw. :smt022
Asimov needs a hug :smt056 (no, I don't know what's going on between these two smilies but it'll have to do, whatever it is)

:evil: <---(asimov) Don't give me that look, or I'll :smt058 next time!

sorry man, but your post is exudes intense ubercrank.

Haha, ubercrank?

Even though my post was partially serious, it was meant to be taken sarcastically.
 
sorry man, I respectfully withdraw the ubercrank crack :oops:

(good thing I'm typing because I don't think I could say that once right much less 5x fast)

but the intersting thing to note here is this:

investigating the occurances of which the article is about, what makes them think gang raping a child/young enslaved adult is okay?

all would agree that such activity is dark hearted. any arguments there? are they claiming that the act is permitted by Allah? And if so, is such activity supported in the Koran? Is it supported by anything Mohammad said or that Mohammad said Allah said?

I think this should be established first before we tackle difference between Mohammad, Allah and/or Koran and anything else.

whattya say? anyone?
 
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