Bible Study In Christ Revolution

[Soul man]

The tremendous change which began on the Day of Pentecost from the existence of a gospel centered around Moses’ Law to the Christ-life was revolutionary, 1John 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

The age long covenant of works was not readily set aside for these new teachings of Christ in us. But sadder yet is the fact that to this day there still exists an admixture and commingling of law and grace which has definitely hidden the Christ-life from multitudes of believers. It is not to be said here that anyone who has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ is not saved or is not a genuine Christian, for this is never the intent in preaching Christ in His fullness, Acts 16:31.
What is to be said here, and said dogmatically, is that multitudes of genuinely born-again believers have never come to the full understanding of Christ because of the admixture of law with grace.
Law and grace cannot and will not exist together, and when any believer attempts, as did Israel of old, to do something to please God, he has nullified the simplicity of needing only to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.
This nullification of the effects of salvation is generally seen in the modern Church, today, in the constant infusion of programs to keep believers busy doing, with the constant emphasis on “if you give, you will be blessed,” or “if you come, you will be blessed,” inferring that they can become better Christians by this. Such is a nullification of the born-again principle that a Father has birthed in us His nature and that we form from that nature and not by anything we do in our flesh. To continue this admixture of the teaching of doing something to “get” faith, or the teaching of doing anything to be acceptable to God is a circumvention of the whole revelation God has for Christianity.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The tremendous change which began on the Day of Pentecost from the existence of a gospel centered around Moses’ Law to the Christ-life was revolutionary, 1John 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

The age long covenant of works was not readily set aside for these new teachings of Christ in us. But sadder yet is the fact that to this day there still exists an admixture and commingling of law and grace which has definitely hidden the Christ-life from multitudes of believers. It is not to be said here that anyone who has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ is not saved or is not a genuine Christian, for this is never the intent in preaching Christ in His fullness, Acts 16:31.
What is to be said here, and said dogmatically, is that multitudes of genuinely born-again believers have never come to the full understanding of Christ because of the admixture of law with grace.
Law and grace cannot and will not exist together, and when any believer attempts, as did Israel of old, to do something to please God, he has nullified the simplicity of needing only to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.
This nullification of the effects of salvation is generally seen in the modern Church, today, in the constant infusion of programs to keep believers busy doing, with the constant emphasis on “if you give, you will be blessed,” or “if you come, you will be blessed,” inferring that they can become better Christians by this. Such is a nullification of the born-again principle that a Father has birthed in us His nature and that we form from that nature and not by anything we do in our flesh. To continue this admixture of the teaching of doing something to “get” faith, or the teaching of doing anything to be acceptable to God is a circumvention of the whole revelation God has for Christianity.

Good words brother. I try to get people to understand that easiest place for me and possibly them to see Jesus is in the Mosaic Law. Better than 90% of people go nuts and tell me the Law is dead and will not hear that Jesus was born to complete the Law and not to kill it. I don't do very well trying to teach people to see Jesus in the Old Testament but for me, there is not a more accurate word picture of who Jesus is.

Again, solid message.

 

[Chopper]

I like this thread very much Soul man. Please keep going with your instruction. Somewhere along doctrinal paths, the Church of Christ Jesus has duplicated one of the seven churches of Revelation or all of them to some degree. There seems to be a misunderstanding of What James instructed here....James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves."

To go along with your OP, this is where I believe that Pastors have erred. Works, works, & more works. It sounds like the Law of Moses re-generated. Something is definitely wrong. What is it Soul man?

 

[Soul man]

Good words brother. I try to get people to understand that easiest place for me and possibly them to see Jesus is in the Mosaic Law. Better than 90% of people go nuts and tell me the Law is dead and will not hear that Jesus was born to complete the Law and not to kill it. I don't do very well trying to teach people to see Jesus in the Old Testament but for me, there is not a more accurate word picture of who Jesus is.

Again, solid message.

Thank you, I can't say I wasn't inspired by what chopper had brought out in his previous thread, glad you enjoyed.

 

[Soul man]

I like this thread very much Soul man. Please keep going with your instruction. Somewhere along doctrinal paths, the Church of Christ Jesus has duplicated one of the seven churches of Revelation or all of them to some degree. There seems to be a misunderstanding of What James instructed here....James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves."

To go along with your OP, this is where I believe that Pastors have erred. Works, works, & more works. It sounds like the Law of Moses re-generated. Something is definitely wrong. What is it Soul man?

As I mentioned to Taylor your message and being in the ministry was forefront in the thread.
I have no training other than being around other men and women of God that had a good understanding. Personally I feel the lord will use all things (men) but it is the HolySpirit our teacher that gives the ultimate understanding, of coarse in the form of revelation.
I do not consider myself a writer, I like to write and always have since being born again.
I try to keep in mind we are all at different levels of understanding, not wanting to sound to cynical when bringing out different points. It is easy to pick something apart, the point is to help not bring further hurt.
As far as your question maybe we could discuss our different ideas in private. I have been in many different forms of ministry for over 30 years. As you have said in your thread you get to see alot. You see things sometimes nobody else gets to see.
Pastor, evangelist, outreach, prison ministry as well as counseling.
The greatest psychologist to ever live other than Jesus was the Apostle Paul, he was the first to understand how human being were to function.

 

[Chopper]

As I mentioned to Taylor your message and being in the ministry was forefront in the thread.
I have no training other than being around other men and women of God that had a good understanding. Personally I feel the lord will use all things (men) but it is the HolySpirit our teacher that gives the ultimate understanding, of coarse in the form of revelation.
I do not consider myself a writer, I like to write and always have since being born again.
I try to keep in mind we are all at different levels of understanding, not wanting to sound to cynical when bringing out different points. It is easy to pick something apart, the point is to help not bring further hurt.
As far as your question maybe we could discuss our different ideas in private. I have been in many different forms of ministry for over 30 years. As you have said in your thread you get to see alot. You see things sometimes nobody else gets to see.
Pastor, evangelist, outreach, prison ministry as well as counseling.
The greatest psychologist to ever live other than Jesus was the Apostle Paul, he was the first to understand how human being were to function.

I would be honored to correspond with you either in email or Conversation.

 

[Soul man]

I would be honored to correspond with you either in email or Conversation.

Sounds good I'll be in touch