In the last days… America still stands for freedom.

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Hi JLB

I'm not sure I make the connection that America standing for freedom would somehow have any bearing on America being godly or something. But if political and societal freedom is what you seek, then the U.S. is a fairly good place to find that. Although, there is the likely truth of the Scriptures that it won't always be so. Paul seems to paint a picture that the world is going to grow worse and worse in its acceptance of sin and the U.S. certainly has done that. But then if God's word is true, that's the way it's supposed to be.

We glorify divorce. It is fully and openly accepted across the nation. We fully are accepting of lying and cheating one another both in personal efforts and business. We revel in sexual lust from people fornicating for merely the price of a movie and dinner to men and women having same sex relations. We have pretty much the highest per capita murder rate of any nation on the planet. And don't even get me started on all of the hate and gossip that goes on with media and social media and just everyday people living their lives here in the U.S. And all of these things we rejoice in and it grows and grows and grows. Much of that can likely be traced back to this idea that the U.S. allows freedom. We preach it and we practice it that everyone is free to do what seems right to them. That's pretty much what Paul wrote would be happening to the world as we move closer and closer to the Lord's return.

And you know, it really isn't true that the Scriptures teach that we have some personal right to happiness and liberty.
 
Hi JLB

I'm not sure I make the connection that America standing for freedom would somehow have any bearing on America being godly or something. But if political and societal freedom is what you seek, then the U.S. is a fairly good place to find that. Although, there is the likely truth of the Scriptures that it won't always be so. Paul seems to paint a picture that the world is going to grow worse and worse in its acceptance of sin and the U.S. certainly has done that. But then if God's word is true, that's the way it's supposed to be.

We glorify divorce. It is fully and openly accepted across the nation. We fully are accepting of lying and cheating one another both in personal efforts and business. We revel in sexual lust from people fornicating for merely the price of a movie and dinner to men and women having same sex relations. We have pretty much the highest per capita murder rate of any nation on the planet. And don't even get me started on all of the hate and gossip that goes on with media and social media and just everyday people living their lives here in the U.S. And all of these things we rejoice in and it grows and grows and grows. Much of that can likely be traced back to this idea that the U.S. allows freedom. We preach it and we practice it that everyone is free to do what seems right to them. That's pretty much what Paul wrote would be happening to the world as we move closer and closer to the Lord's return.

And you know, it really isn't true that the Scriptures teach that we have some personal right to happiness and liberty.
I fully agree with your societal depiction of US as heading towards moral and spiritual bankruptcy. However, in my understanding this Trump presidency and dynasty is like the calm before the oncoming storm in the horizon.

If US falls as a country economically and militarily, the power vacuum created is ready to be filled by the AC who is already in the world. All this AI agenda is leading to something monstruous.

Like in the times of Elijah though we have a remnant in US who has not bowed to Baal. And this remnant is given the freedom to follow Jesus Christ. Facing trials of course but none like those of faithful in Christ in other dangerous countries. Let's appreciate that for now while we have the freedom to do so.
 
If US falls as a country economically and militarily, the power vacuum created is ready to be filled by the AC who is already in the world. All this AI agenda is leading to something monstruous.
Hi Follower Of Christ
I don't really see the U.S. falling as a country, but I certainly see that it is going the way of sin just as the Scriptures foretell of all the peoples upon the earth. We aren't some special God blessed nation of people. We are rampant with sin. God isn't out to save nations, anyway. God is about saving people. According to His testimony, the end will be joined by people of every tribe and tongue and nation. That means that there will be people, individual people, within these 200+ nations upon the earth that will know and understand what God asks of them, the individual person, to find His way of salvation. The nation of the U.S. will go the way of all the nations.

Yes, there will be people within the confines of the U.S. who have not 'bowed the knee to Baal'. There will be people in Canada and Japan and China and Brazil and Poland and Estonia and Greece and Italy and all of the many, many other nations who will be just like those in the U.S. who have not bowed the knee to Baal. But in the end, I believe, that the U.S. as a nation will be found right there among all the others that God's testimony tells us will rise up against Israel. We are, even now, seeing that a lot of the people of our nation are ready today to work to destroy Israel and that sentiment will just continue to grow and there's nothing that anyone can do to change the outcome of God's prophecies to us of how this is all going to end.

The U.S. is a powerful nation. We have a mighty economy driven by the wants and desires of some 300+ million people. But, as a nation, we're not particularly beholden to God. There will always just be some who are that live within our borders. Our job is not to rail against our government any more than Jesus or any of the first apostles directed the new believers to do when Israel was under Roman Rule. In fact, the only time that Jesus ever spoke of it, he told us to give unto the Roman Caesar what belonged to him. Not, go out and fight against the tyrannical government that is oppressing you people.
 
Hi Follower Of Christ
I don't really see the U.S. falling as a country, but I certainly see that it is going the way of sin just as the Scriptures foretell of all the peoples upon the earth. We aren't some special God blessed nation of people. We are rampant with sin. God isn't out to save nations, anyway. God is about saving people. According to His testimony, the end will be joined by people of every tribe and tongue and nation. That means that there will be people, individual people, within these 200+ nations upon the earth that will know and understand what God asks of them, the individual person, to find His way of salvation. The nation of the U.S. will go the way of all the nations.

Yes, there will be people within the confines of the U.S. who have not 'bowed the knee to Baal'. There will be people in Canada and Japan and China and Brazil and Poland and Estonia and Greece and Italy and all of the many, many other nations who will be just like those in the U.S. who have not bowed the knee to Baal. But in the end, I believe, that the U.S. as a nation will be found right there among all the others that God's testimony tells us will rise up against Israel. We are, even now, seeing that a lot of the people of our nation are ready today to work to destroy Israel and that sentiment will just continue to grow and there's nothing that anyone can do to change the outcome of God's prophecies to us of how this is all going to end.

The U.S. is a powerful nation. We have a mighty economy driven by the wants and desires of some 300+ million people. But, as a nation, we're not particularly beholden to God. There will always just be some who are that live within our borders. Our job is not to rail against our government any more than Jesus or any of the first apostles directed the new believers to do when Israel was under Roman Rule. In fact, the only time that Jesus ever spoke of it, he told us to give unto the Roman Caesar what belonged to him. Not, go out and fight against the tyrannical government that is oppressing you people.
Dear miamited. All I wanted to say is that in the U.S. the game of feeding, clothing, sheltering and entertaining people is being perfected. All of this perfection of the game shall be used by the AC and his minions to advance their goals at end times. Yet the election of Trump is going to bring a calm before the storm. Enjoy it while you can and the freedom it provides.

I don't get involved in politics and social activism. For me as I have said before politics is a theatre with actors, pre written scripts and an audience invested emotionally in the evolution of the script. Few leave the audience and theatre to instead follow the Word Of God. Right now in US and Western Nations you can leave the theatre and follow the Word Of God at no death penalty. It shall not be so when the AC takes over.

Further right now around the world there is a faithful remnant that are going to be perfected because of this calm before the storm. Because Trump got reelected even though it entails many things I do not agree with. And apparently you do not agree with.

From Malachi 3:16-18 "Then those who feared the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord paid attention and heard them, and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who feared the Lord and esteemed his name. “They shall be mine, says the Lord of hosts, in the day when I make up my treasured possession, and I will spare them as a man spares his son who serves him. Then once more you shall see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him."

Hebrews 13:13 "Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured."

Blessings!
 
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