Intel Introduces a PC on a Stick

[Lewis]

Intel Introduces a PC on a Stick

http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2015/01/07/intel-introduces-pc-stick/
Intel has introduced a device that runs a full version of Windows with specs comparable to many entry level tablets – in a ‘ultra-small’ form factor.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Speaking of schticks, my boys just got me a cubox and monitor (The whole computer is only 2" x 2" x 2"). I bought the keyboard/mouse yesterday to hook it up. It's a full sized desktop running off a little box.

Since this runs Android and/or Linux, I guess MS thought they'd better keep up instead of those clunky desktops. The clunky desktops are out. Everything is going to be laptop or smaller from now on. The big screens and keyboards are only for human comfort, but I mean the computers themselves are all going to be small and solid state -- no more moving parts. Also, apps/storage on the cloud is going to be big instead of one's local computer. Then if it breaks, you just get another and your apps, files and directories are already there.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My new Desk Top from HP came with the Foxconn Mulberry mainboard. It is stand measure from front to rear and top to bottom but, having a Lap Top mainboard it is 4" wide and the measurement, I feel, are more for the comfort of the user than anything else. The only fan is on the AMD A4-500 processor, very, very quiet. Even with my Ears turned wide open, I do not hear it.

I also like the Cube but already have what my Techy daughter and my wife picked out for me. I like the capability of quad and better boot but I trashed the windoze 8.1, early and I run Ubuntu on it and since the system change have had zero issues with it. Foxconn has been a forward leader in System Management for a long time. It is about time Intel awakened.

 

[Mike S]

Intel is well known for it's consumer products, the processors that power most desktop and laptop products, but that isn't where the company earns most of it's profits. The most profitable sector of their product line - and where Intel has the most significant advantage over its competitors - is in the server market. AMD intermittently offers something near Intel's technological levels, but no company can match Intel's design/build capabilities. Intel is really a manufacturing company with a strong engineering component. It's in this server processor sector of Intel's operations that my son manages a team of engineers. They're currently working on the next iteration of processors beyond the Broadwell line.

Intel Launches The Full Lineup Of Its 14nm Broadwell Chips At CES 2015 - http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2015/01/06/intel-launches-the-full-lineup-of-its-14nm-broadwell-chips-at-ces-2015/
Leading PC chipmaker Intel kick-started the year by introducing the full lineup of its 14 nm fifth generation core line of processors as well as its first 14nm 64-bit Atom chips, at the ongoing 2015 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Intel launched its first 14nm (Broadwell-Y) dual core CPUs for 2-in-1 laptops and high-end tablets, in September last year. Broadwell-U (the chips introduced at 2015 CES) bring the 14nm architecture to mainstream notebooks and smaller desktops. The Broadwell-U line is available in the familiar Core i3, i5, and i7 designations, and come with integrated GPUs. Products based on the fifth generation core processors are expected to start shipping later this month, while the first Cherry Trail Atom tablets will ship in the first half of the year.The Broadwell processors will power new devices from a variety of manufacturers, including Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP Lenovo and Toshiba.

The move to the 14nm process technology makes the Broadwell chips both smaller and more efficient than the previous-generation Haswell processors. Broadwell offers up to a 22% improvement in 3D graphics performance, and video conversion runs 50% faster. Intel claims a system with a Broadwell chip can run up to 1.5 hours longer on battery than one powered by the Haswell chip.Apple has been widely rumored to be waiting for Intel to ship Broadwell in order to begin production of a new, redesigned MacBook Air.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Intel is well known for it's consumer products, the processors that power most desktop and laptop products, but that isn't where the company earns most of it's profits. The most profitable sector of their product line - and where Intel has the most significant advantage over its competitors - is in the server market. AMD intermittently offers something near Intel's technological levels, but no company can match Intel's design/build capabilities. Intel is really a manufacturing company with a strong engineering component. It's in this server processor sector of Intel's operations that my son manages a team of engineers. They're currently working on the next iteration of processors beyond the Broadwell line.

Intel Launches The Full Lineup Of Its 14nm Broadwell Chips At CES 2015 - http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2015/01/06/intel-launches-the-full-lineup-of-its-14nm-broadwell-chips-at-ces-2015/
Leading PC chipmaker Intel kick-started the year by introducing the full lineup of its 14 nm fifth generation core line of processors as well as its first 14nm 64-bit Atom chips, at the ongoing 2015 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Intel launched its first 14nm (Broadwell-Y) dual core CPUs for 2-in-1 laptops and high-end tablets, in September last year. Broadwell-U (the chips introduced at 2015 CES) bring the 14nm architecture to mainstream notebooks and smaller desktops. The Broadwell-U line is available in the familiar Core i3, i5, and i7 designations, and come with integrated GPUs. Products based on the fifth generation core processors are expected to start shipping later this month, while the first Cherry Trail Atom tablets will ship in the first half of the year.The Broadwell processors will power new devices from a variety of manufacturers, including Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP Lenovo and Toshiba.

The move to the 14nm process technology makes the Broadwell chips both smaller and more efficient than the previous-generation Haswell processors. Broadwell offers up to a 22% improvement in 3D graphics performance, and video conversion runs 50% faster. Intel claims a system with a Broadwell chip can run up to 1.5 hours longer on battery than one powered by the Haswell chip.Apple has been widely rumored to be waiting for Intel to ship Broadwell in order to begin production of a new, redesigned MacBook Air.

Good afternoon Mike,
I am no longer equipped to debate the Intel/AMD argument but from my past experiances in test them one on one AMD and Intel use different Bench Marks to determine speed.

No longer caring and no longer having the ability to run one on one and Specs Equal tests I just stick with what I have proven in the Ninties. I have never trusted instrument tests but have always run app tests for practical and useful results.

Having been heaviest into Graphics and Videos I preferred monster video format conversion testing and in the ninties, Intel had made a superior claim in that field that I had read in oe of their White papers. (I ran two 1.2 gig, I believe, dual core processors with 4 gig of same brand and same family RAM. In the conversion of a 2 gig raw vidio I created with subtitles. The AMD driven system performed the task in about 1/3 of the time.

I do find real speed discussions to be of no value however. A man or a woman has one element of pride they almost never surrender in their lives and personal preferences is smack in the middle of that area.

When I was in business I never purchased one minute of ad time and yet my men earned the company top wage from the Builder without demanding it. I look on line, on the TV and in Mags and the bulk of the ads are from Intel and the company must recoup that money to hold the profit margin, making the product cost more, off the starting line and can also lead to hidden cuts in the manf. process.

If you prefer Intel, I say good but it is a matter of preference most of the time and is seldom based, with processors, on facts.

 

[Mike S]

Bill,

My point is this, Intel is a very well run company with both excellent engineering and excellent manufacturing. No other processor manufacturer can come close to competing with Intel. AMD has had some fine processors through the years, but they have no capability whatever of producing them in any quantity that would threaten Intel's dominance. It makes almost no difference whatever that AMD can occasionally design a good processor if it can't bring it to market.

Intel has traditionally left the low-cost low-end of the consumer market to AMD, but even there, Bill, Intel could crush AMD if it chose to. Intel's share of the server market (where the real profit is made) is about 97%, AMD's about 3%. The ability to manufacture is key.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

My point is this, Intel is a very well run company with both excellent engineering and excellent manufacturing. No other processor manufacturer can come close to competing with Intel. AMD has had some fine processors through the years, but they have no capability whatever of producing them in any quantity that would threaten Intel's dominance. It makes almost no difference whatever that AMD can occasionally design a good processor if it can't bring it to market.

Intel has traditionally left the low-cost low-end of the consumer market to AMD, but even there, Bill, Intel could crush AMD if it chose to. Intel's share of the server market (where the real profit is made) is about 97%, AMD's about 3%. The ability to manufacture is key.

Mike,
Look at my first post and then observe your reaction. My second post was a statement of truth, there is not one industry standard and when I tried one brand against the other, hands down, Intel fell. Your reaction to that is to put on bravado, pick a fight. Picking a fight over this is fool's play from either direction. The only intelligent response for issue would be a one on one showdown. Bravado and machismo is not only counter productive, it is not Christ-like. I led into my comments about the test with a comment that the conditions may have changed because I am no longer equipped, living on a very fixed budget, to do the test with newer processors. That however will never change the result I and several other people doing similar tests concluded with for the same result, over and over.

For you to stand on one side of the street and I on the other shouting my processor will kill your processor is not very smart. For a newer result, find a local user with an AMD unit, the same OS, the same software and run the test. But I deal with facts and only accept facts. I dislike smacking peoples egos but you did stick it out there to be slapped. Please, let's deal with this as adults, neither of us is eight years old.

 

[Mike S]

Mike,
Look at my first post and then observe your reaction. My second post was a statement of truth, there is not one industry standard and when I tried one brand against the other, hands down, Intel fell. Your reaction to that is to put on bravado, pick a fight. Picking a fight over this is fool's play from either direction. The only intelligent response for issue would be a one on one showdown. Bravado and machismo is not only counter productive, it is not Christ-like. I led into my comments about the test with a comment that the conditions may have changed because I am no longer equipped, living on a very fixed budget, to do the test with newer processors. That however will never change the result I and several other people doing similar tests concluded with for the same result, over and over.

For you to stand on one side of the street and I on the other shouting my processor will kill your processor is not very smart. For a newer result, find a local user with an AMD unit, the same OS, the same software and run the test. But I deal with facts and only accept facts. I dislike smacking peoples egos but you did stick it out there to be slapped. Please, let's deal with this as adults, neither of us is eight years old.

I'm not picking a fight, Bill. I'm just explaining why Intel dominates the processor market, and particularly the server market.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I'm not picking a fight, Bill. I'm just explaining why Intel dominates the processor market, and particularly the server market.

I'm sorry Mike, I quoted a test I and several others did at different sites with different tasks and different software. What you posted had nothing to do with testing one against the other but was an in the face challenge common from one boy child to another. What you said all boils down to my daddy can beat your daddy. In this forum branch I never present assumptions and that, at it's best, is what you have done here. i hurt your feelings and you struck out to make me pay for it. I have several Intel computers in use and a couple of AMD units that run the socks off them. The Intels are for my wife and daughter except my two Lenovos. Though I no longer build units I do still work on them and still deal in real time stats only. I'm way to old for I say so games when trying to help others with issues with their units. If you run a test I want to hear it but bravado is useless in the computer world.

 

[Mike S]

I'm sorry Mike, I quoted a test I and several others did at different sites with different tasks and different software. What you posted had nothing to do with testing one against the other but was an in the face challenge common from one boy child to another. What you said all boils down to my daddy can beat your daddy. In this forum branch I never present assumptions and that, at it's best, is what you have done here. i hurt your feelings and you struck out to make me pay for it. I have several Intel computers in use and a couple of AMD units that run the socks off them. The Intels are for my wife and daughter except my two Lenovos. Though I no longer build units I do still work on them and still deal in real time stats only. I'm way to old for I say so games when trying to help others with issues with their units. If you run a test I want to hear it but bravado is useless in the computer world.

Bill, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't care if you and others prefer AMD to Intel. I'm telling you why Intel dominates the market, and it's because Intel has manufacturing capabilities AMD can't even dream of matching. Intel has a corporate culture that knows when to stop designing and start manufacturing, and the capabilities to make it happen. That makes it a very successful company.

That AMD occasionally designs a processor that performs better than Intel's equivalent doesn't make a bit of difference, that's not going to save AMD. AMD will always have a faithful following, but will always be a weak competitor for Intel.

This is not something I really thought was controversial, and I don't want to argue it, so this will be my last post on the subject.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't care if you and others prefer AMD to Intel. I'm telling you why Intel dominates the market, and it's because Intel has manufacturing capabilities AMD can't even dream of matching. Intel has a corporate culture that knows when to stop designing and start manufacturing, and the capabilities to make it happen. That makes it a very successful company.

That AMD occasionally designs a processor that performs better than Intel's equivalent doesn't make a bit of difference, that's not going to save AMD. AMD will always have a faithful following, but will always be a weak competitor for Intel.

This is not something I really thought was controversial, and I don't want to argue it, so this will be my last post on the subject.

Mike,
As I said, this argument you came seeking, for all appearances, is a very foolish, my processor can whip your processor, childish argument without data. I pray you open your eyes and kill this need for pride but otherwise, may God bless you and yours, sir.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Well, whether or not Intel vs AMD is faster or not, the bottom line is that this will be no more than a fire stick to move embers around as long as it has MS on it. And knowing MS, it's probably designed to make it loading anything else on it extremely difficult including itself. Now, what happens when it gets one of its famous malware attacks? And probably within a week of using it. There's no more "formatting the drive" if the virus can't be removed. It's probably a trip to your local repair shop costing twice as much as the stick to fix it. So, I can see these ending up in the garbage fast and it won't take off -- like the MS phones. They'll have to do pretty good maneuverings to get past the clunky tower and laptop market.

Don't get me wrong -- MS has the right idea. But they are still the $5 doors with $1000 lock hardware and until that changes it won't compete with the likes of my Cubox.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Well, whether or not Intel vs AMD is faster or not, the bottom line is that this will be no more than a fire stick to move embers around as long as it has MS on it. And knowing MS, it's probably designed to make it loading anything else on it extremely difficult including itself. Now, what happens when it gets one of its famous malware attacks? And probably within a week of using it. There's no more "formatting the drive" if the virus can't be removed. It's probably a trip to your local repair shop costing twice as much as the stick to fix it. So, I can see these ending up in the garbage fast and it won't take off -- like the MS phones. They'll have to do pretty good maneuverings to get past the clunky tower and laptop market.

Don't get me wrong -- MS has the right idea. But they are still the $5 doors with $1000 lock hardware and until that changes it won't compete with the likes of my Cubox.

Had the girls not purchased the HP 400-224 before I knew of the Cubox, that is what I would be running. This one is also a Chip on the Processor unit. It's just big to make some MS 8.1 users comfortable. Like yourself, Tim, I am spoiled with the lack of issues with my computing needs. I have gotten past the UEFI and have adapted and still will not be downloading the windoze 10 alpha and I probably should block the windoze development team in my email because they really believe they can attract me back onto their team and that might happen if they ever get smart enough to pull the rewritten MS Kernal out of file 13... but I doubt it. I am still loving the problemlessness of Linux.