[__ Science __ ] Intelligent Design

[GodsGrace]

What's the difference between Intelligent Design and God?

 

[Truthfrees]

What's the difference between Intelligent Design and God?

most people believe God is the Intelligent Designer

a very few believe aliens created us - but have no answer to who created the aliens

so by default there has to be an Intelligent Designer who in every way matches God and only God

 

[Who Me]

What's the difference between Intelligent Design and God?

Intelligent design is an attempt to explain creation without reference to God. Not everyone who holds to I.D. is a Christian, but all who do hold to it have serious questions about the evolution paradigm.

 

[GodsGrace]

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Intelligent design is an attempt to explain creation without reference to God. Not everyone who holds to I.D. is a Christian, but all who do hold to it have serious questions about the evolution paradigm.

Thanks Who Me.
It seems apparent to me that some intelligent being had to create everything.
One that is intelligent and has mighty power.
To me it sounds like God.

 

[GodsGrace]

most people believe God is the Intelligent Designer

a very few believe aliens created us - but have no answer to who created the aliens

so by default there has to be an Intelligent Designer who in every way matches God and only God

Sounds good to me.
I also agree about the aliens....
no matter how far back one goes...something/someone had to get things started.

 

[Who Me]

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Thanks Who Me.
It seems apparent to me that some intelligent being had to create everything.
One that is intelligent and has mighty power.
To me it sounds like God.

Trying to account for creation without an actual creator and denying evolution is in my opinion to have a screw loose.

Keep things simple.
God created time, space, energy, matter and the laws that permit them to interact etc.

Try the site:-
Evolution news
It is an is site and very good for criticism of evolution from a scientific view point.

 

[Truthfrees]

Trying to account for creation without an actual creator and denying evolution is in my opinion to have a screw loose.

Keep things simple.
God created time, space, energy, matter and the laws that permit them to interact etc.

Try the site:-
Evolution news
It is an is site and very good for criticism of evolution from a scientific view point.

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Evolution News | Reporting on intelligent design and evolution

Original reporting and analysis about the debate over intelligent design and evolution, including breaking news about scientific research.

evolutionnews.org

 

[GodsGrace]

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Evolution News | Reporting on intelligent design and evolution

Original reporting and analysis about the debate over intelligent design and evolution, including breaking news about scientific research.

evolutionnews.org

I looked through the link and found that it's from The Discovery Institute.
Do you know Stephen Meyers?

 

[GodsGrace]

Trying to account for creation without an actual creator and denying evolution is in my opinion to have a screw loose.

Keep things simple.
God created time, space, energy, matter and the laws that permit them to interact etc.

Try the site:-
Evolution news
It is an is site and very good for criticism of evolution from a scientific view point.

See post no. 8

 

[Truthfrees]

I looked through the link and found that it's from The Discovery Institute.
Do you know Stephen Meyers?

i think he is a creationist

if you find otherwise i will retract as i have the wrong organization

 

[GodsGrace]

i think he is a creationist

if you find otherwise i will retract as i have the wrong organization

You're right.
Stephen Meyers, I THINK, is one of the founders of The Discovery Institute.
He believes in God but speaks of Intelligent Design.
He is definitely a creationist.
He also does not believe in evolution (macroevolution).
Maybe it's just easier for some to digest believing in an ID, but, frankly, I don't understand the difference between ID and God.
To me it's the same.
( I think you and Who Me are correct in your assessment of the situation).

 

[Truthfrees]

You're right.
Stephen Meyers, I THINK, is one of the founders of The Discovery Institute.
He believes in God but speaks of Intelligent Design.
He is definitely a creationist.
He also does not believe in evolution (macroevolution).
Maybe it's just easier for some to digest believing in an ID, but, frankly, I don't understand the difference between ID and God.
To me it's the same.
( I think you and Who Me are correct in your assessment of the situation).

i thought i had listened to his video talks a while back and he is somewhat like josh mcdowell - i thought what he had to say was simple and compelling - definitely puts the death blow to evolution by proving evolution inadequate and the argument for a Creator hard to challenge

 

[Barbarian]

Maybe it's just easier for some to digest believing in an ID, but, frankly, I don't understand the difference between ID and God.
To me it's the same.

It's the idea that God isn't qualitatively different than we are, just infinitely more powerful. So, in that thinking, He still has to figure out things, and "design" them.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's the idea that God isn't qualitatively different than we are, just infinitely more powerful. So, in that thinking, He still has to figure out things, and "design" them.

Gosh Barb, What would God have to figure out?
Isn't He all-knowing? (omniscient).

 

[GodsGrace]

i thought i had listened to his video talks a while back and he is somewhat like josh mcdowell - i thought what he had to say was simple and compelling - definitely puts the death blow to evolution by proving evolution inadequate and the argument for a Creator hard to challenge

Agreed. He's a pleasure to listen to on YouTube.
I'm grateful for YouTube....
I dislike normal programming and do love movies but am difficult to please.
The good ones are few and far between...especially over here.

 

[Barbarian]

Gosh Barb, What would God have to figure out?
Isn't He all-knowing? (omniscient).

Yes. So no designing for God. He merely does.

 

[crossnote]

For the Christian, I.D. would be just the first step in introducing the Biblical God into the secular arena, but not the last step. The last step would be to personalize I.D. and say Jesus Christ had created all things....

John 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[Barbarian]

For the Christian, I.D. would be just the first step in introducing the Biblical God into the secular arena, but not the last step. The last step would be to personalize I.D. and say Jesus Christ had created all things....

That's the rub. We see all sorts of people in the ID movement. Muslims, agnostics, Unification Church, pantheists, etc. Michael Denton, for example, sees a teleology in ID, but not the Christian God.

When they aren’t busy praising Osama bin Laden or applauding Hamas for murdering Jews, the Wahhabi propaganda site IslamOnline is fully on board with the Discovery Institute and their “intelligent design” hoax: Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design.

IslamOnline: Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design

When they aren’t busy praising Osama bin Laden or applauding Hamas for murdering Jews, the Wahhabi propaganda site IslamOnline is fully on board with the Discovery Institute and their “intelligent design” hoax:...

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I don't consider ID a "hoax", BTW. A lot of IDers sincerely believe in it. But there are a lot of people in the movement with rather unorthodox ideas about God.

Jonathan Wells, for example, on one hand, and Michael Denton on the other. And in the middle, Michael Behe, an evolutionist who just thinks God has to step in now and then to make it work right. Wells thinks "Father" (Myung Son Moon) is an improvement on Jesus, and accepts a rather unorthodox concept of creation.

Denton thinks a supernatural being made the universe "front loaded" to do whatever that being wanted, and then let it run without further involvement. Sounds like a deist.

It's not a Christian doctrine, although some Christians do believe in it.