Paidion said:
David you said:
Jesus paid the price for our sin willingly. Because He loves you.
David, where in Scripture do you read that Jesus "paid the price for our sin"? I know we can be so conditioned by Protestant upbringing that we read the Scripture in this way.
Jesus supposedly "paid the price" so we wouldn't have to pay it. He suffered "in our place" and thereby "appeased the anger of a just God" so that He took out His vengeance of His innocent Son instead of on us guilty sinners. In what way that is "justice" is utterly baffling....
Nevertheless, He did die for our sins. It is the most profound, yet confusing truth in the Bible.
You actually used scripture that supports this:
For example:
Titus 2:14
who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds.
But your verses are incomplete without these:
1 Cor 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 7:23
Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
and three verses later:
Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this,
that a man lay down his life for his friends.
It was prophesied by Isaiah:
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and
with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
He dies for OUR iniquities and
He did it willingly, as Mat 26:39 and 42 say.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
That wage had to be paid. The system of a blood sacrifice for our transgressions were instituted by God Himself way back in the OT. However, atonement for sin had to be performed one a year. Jesus, being the Son of God, could atone for all sin, once and for all. It's a one time deal.
Now I ask, what has any man or woman have to offer the LORD that is greater than the Son of God offered His Father?
1 John 3:16 says
He laid down His life for us! A proper exegesis of all appropriate verses says He did this because we couldn't. If we could, than He didn't have to and therefore, He died in vain.
1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Cor 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Cor 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
It is not Protestant theology, it's right there, in the Bible.
Read all of chapter 15, the reasons for His death are there.
