Is Rosh Hashanah the Rapture?

[XTruth]

WHAT IS THE NEXT FEAST DAY TO BE FULFILLED?
1) Feast of the Passover (Lev.23:4-5)
2) Feast of unleavened bread (Lev.23:6-8)
3) Feast of firstfruits (Lev.23:9-14)
4) Feast of Pentecost (Lev.23:15-22)
5) Feast of trumpets (Lev.23:23-25)
6) Feast of the Great Day of Atonement (Lev.23:26-32)
7) Feast of tabernacles (Lev.23:33-44)

Please take note the order of the 7 eternal feast's of the Lord. They have been fulfilled in the order in which God gave them. Feast of trumpets is next in line, a.k.a. Rosh Hashanah. What happens first, the Rapture or the Second Coming? The order of the feasts, as given by God, is the order in which they are to be executed. We know that the Rapture is certainly first and that the last trumpet sounds during sunset of this 2 day feast; so, the end of Rosh Hashanah is the Rapture... September 9-10, 2010.

Jews know what the last trump is that is described in 1 thes.4:16; 1 Cor.15:52; & Rev.4:1. It is an independent trumpet that is blown at the end of the feast of trumpets, at sunset; there are at least 100 trumpets blown during this 2 day celebration. The following website link tells the fulfillment of the first four feast days, as well as the last three:
www.http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articl ... easts.html

 

[Osgiliath]

"On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets." (Numbers 29:1)

"This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or an alien living among you- because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the LORD, you will be clean from all your sins." (Leviticus 16:29-30)

Curious how the Day of Atonement, which is a parallel that corresponds to the coming 'Day' of our 'At-One-Ment' with God happened nine days AFTER the Feast of Trumpets. Where is the Old Testament parallel, or 'Feast' that corresponds to this pre-tribulation rapture?

"If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." (Hebrews 8:4,5)

Oops. I guess Moses must have overlooked a few things.

 

[XTruth]

"On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets." (Numbers 29:1)

"This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or an alien living among you- because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the LORD, you will be clean from all your sins." (Leviticus 16:29-30)

Curious how the Day of Atonement, which is a parallel that corresponds to the coming 'Day' of our 'At-One-Ment' with God happened nine days AFTER the Feast of Trumpets. Where is the Old Testament parallel, or 'Feast' that corresponds to this pre-tribulation rapture?

"If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." (Hebrews 8:4,5)

Oops. I guess Moses must have overlooked a few things.

I fail to see why everything on this site has to be so smuggly disagreed with in a fashion that makes it apparent that the one disagreeing probably decided he disagreed even before reading what is being presented for the edification of the "saints."

The order of what is to come prophetically is the Rapture, then the Second Coming... this is agreed with even among post tribbers. The day of atonement is the perfect picture of the Second Coming, for on that day, all Israel looks to the skies and knows that Jesus is the Messiah and they all repent...all of Israel will be saved. Learn the meaning of the feasts. The spring feasts were fulfilled at His First Coming. The fall feast are about to be fulfilled by the Rapture and the Second Coming.... in the order in which they were given. That's what happened the first time. Why would it be different the second time around? The Rapture is on Rosh Hashanah, or the feast of trumpets as it is known. The Second Coming is on Yom Kippur, a.k.a. feast of atonement, 7 years later, as is what the Good Book says and as is the only way the order is given by the feasts

 

[Theofilus]

WHAT IS THE NEXT FEAST DAY TO BE FULFILLED?
1) Feast of the Passover (Lev.23:4-5)
2) Feast of unleavened bread (Lev.23:6-8)
3) Feast of firstfruits (Lev.23:9-14)
4) Feast of Pentecost (Lev.23:15-22)
5) Feast of trumpets (Lev.23:23-25)
6) Feast of the Great Day of Atonement (Lev.23:26-32)
7) Feast of tabernacles (Lev.23:33-44)

Please take note the order of the 7 eternal feast's of the Lord. They have been fulfilled in the order in which God gave them. Feast of trumpets is next in line, a.k.a. Rosh Hashanah. What happens first, the Rapture or the Second Coming? The order of the feasts, as given by God, is the order in which they are to be executed. We know that the Rapture is certainly first and that the last trumpet sounds during sunset of this 2 day feast; so, the end of Rosh Hashanah is the Rapture... September 9-10, 2010.

Jews know what the last trump is that is described in 1 thes.4:16; 1 Cor.15:52; & Rev.4:1. It is an independent trumpet that is blown at the end of the feast of trumpets, at sunset; there are at least 100 trumpets blown during this 2 day celebration. The following website link tells the fulfillment of the first four feast days, as well as the last three:
www.http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articl ... easts.html

The feasts haven't been fulfilled in order until now. Why should they be in the future. Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, which is in the 7th month. His sinless life is foreshadowed by the feast of Unleavened Bread, which starts on the 15th day of the 1st month. The crucifixion is represented by the day of Passover, which is on the 14th of the first month. The resurrection was on the Feast of First Fruits, which was on the 17th of the first month that year (it can vary). My understanding is that the fall feasts represent:

1. Feast of Trumpets = Christ's second coming[/*:12ak25dr]
2. Day of Atonement = Judgment day[/*:12ak25dr]
3. Feast of Tabernacles = Millennial reign of Christ[/*:12ak25dr]

 

[Vic C.]

i prefer resurrection/transformation over "rapture", but anyway...

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/l002.htm

The Last Trump

"We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. In Judaism, there are three trumpets (shofarim) that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) (Exodus [Shemot] 19:19). It proclaimed that G-d had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh HaShanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days (Volume I, Rosh HaShanah, Chapter 5, Footnote 11), in the chapter on the shofar. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of the Messiah Yeshua back to earth (Matthew [Mattityahu] 24:31)."

(Lev 23:24 KJV) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

(Num 29:1 KJV) And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.

According to Num 10:10, Israel was to blow a trumpet at the beginning of each month. Since the Mosaic festival year was seven months long, the seventh month (Tishri) was the last month for a festival trumpet. This day, the first day of Tishri, which was the start of the Jewish civil year, was known as Rosh haShanah (the Feast of Trumpets or the Day of Trumpets). "The last month in the seven months' series was always sounded on this New Moon Day. This made it the final trumpets' day." (Ernest L. Martin, The Star that Astonished the World, (c)1996, pg 95)

Martin further signifies this day by relying on the work of Theodor Gaster and his book titled "Festivals of the Jewish Year." It is stated that early Jews recognized the Day of Trumpets as a type of memorial day. More than our modern versions of the holiday, it was instead a day that was symbolic of the time "when the dead return to rejoin their descendants at the beginning of the year." Martin also quotes Gaster in saying that this was "the time that became a symbol of the Last Trump." (Martin, pg 96)

(1 Cor 15:52 KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(1 Th 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

It is quite possible that Paul, being Jewish himself and surely knowledgeable of the Jewish feasts and customs, was making a symbolic reference to this time of year -- the Day of Trumpets. "The 'Last Trump' of the early Jews was when the dead were remembered. And to Paul the 'Last Trump' was the time for Jesus' second advent and the resurrection of the dead." (Martin, pg 96).

 

[David505]

I fail to see why everything on this site has to be so smuggly disagreed with in a fashion that makes it apparent that the one disagreeing probably decided he disagreed even before reading what is being presented for the edification of the "saints."

Agreed

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Theofilus

1.Feast of Trumpets = Christ's second coming
2.Day of Atonement = Judgment day
3.Feast of Tabernacles = Millennial reign of Christ

I do agree with you with regard to # 3. The Feast of Tabernacles (Ingathering) was the last and largest harvest of the year. It began five days after the Day of Atonement had passed. The last and largest ingathering of saints will occur at the end of the world. The harvest of souls will be numberless (Revelation 7:9,14). The feast and the time spent in Jerusalem was temporary (seven days), and the parallel is that the saints will temporarily live in the New Jerusalem during the Sabbatical Millennium.

As far as # 2, I agree with you as well. However, how much clearer can the parallel of the Feast of Trumpets be? The parallel between the Feast of Trumpets and the Seven Trumpets in Revelation is obvious. The sounding of trumpets at the Feast of Trumpets is a shadow of the sounding of Seven Trumpets in Heaven during the Great Tribulation. In ancient Israel, God terminated the offer of salvation (Judgment Day) at sundown on the 10th day of the seventh month (the Day of Atonement).

The parallel is that God will terminate the offer of salvation (Judgment Day) when the seventh trumpet sounds. (Revelation 10:7; 11:15-19) God notifies people BEFOREHAND when His time of judgment arrives. When the seven trumpets begin to sound in Heaven, there will be corresponding events on Earth (i.e. the Great Tribulation).

Your # 1 should actually be combined with # 2 - with # 1 being a parallel corresponding to the Seven Trumpet Judgments (Great Tribulation). Just take the Bible for what it says on it's own. Why swim against the current? ;)

 

[NJBeliever]

Yes, yes, yes, the Feast of Trumpets is a type and shadow of the rapture. The feasts of Leviticus 23 are the entire history and future of the world mapped out by God Himself. Indeed the Day of Atonement is The Second Advent and Sukot, or the Feast of Tabernacles is the millennial reign.

Between the spring feasts and the fall feasts are four months. Prophetically, this is the Age of the church. This is the time when the Gentile nation is grown and nurtured until we are gathered up at the Rapture.

John 4:35 Say not ye, "there are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? Behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, for they are white already to harvest.

Jesus is specifically referring to this space in between the spring and fall feasts and encouraging his disciples to spread the gospel in helping to build the church. He would of course fulfill Passover in His death on the cross, firstfruits with his Resurrection and Pentecost on the actual Day of Pentecost (Acts2).

The next feast up is Rosh Hashanna, which just happens to be the one feast in which we never know what day or hour the feast begins. Just like the Day of The Lord and the Rapture itself. And the final trumpet blown on Rosh Hashanna is called "The Last Trump." This is the Last Trump Paul references, not the 7th trumpet of Revelation. They have no connection. The Last Trump is a Hebrew idiom for the Feast of Trumpets. The nation is gathered at the tabernacle for consecration before God's wrath is poured out. This is the purpose of the rapture. To gather us to The Lord before God's wrath is poured out on the Earth.

This is why it is so important to study The Old Testament if you are into eschatology. Every prophecy has an old Testament type and shadow. So we should always be able to confirm any prophetic theory we have with Old Testament Scripture. God bless.

 

[XTruth]

Yes, yes, yes, the Feast of Trumpets is a type and shadow of the rapture. The feasts of Leviticus 23 are the entire history and future of the world mapped out by God Himself. Indeed the Day of Atonement is The Second Advent and Sukot, or the Feast of Tabernacles is the millennial reign.

Between the spring feasts and the fall feasts are four months. Prophetically, this is the Age of the church. This is the time when the Gentile nation is grown and nurtured until we are gathered up at the Rapture.

John 4:35 Say not ye, "there are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? Behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, for they are white already to harvest.

Jesus is specifically referring to this space in between the spring and fall feasts and encouraging his disciples to spread the gospel in helping to build the church. He would of course fulfill Passover in His death on the cross, firstfruits with his Resurrection and Pentecost on the actual Day of Pentecost (Acts2).

The next feast up is Rosh Hashanna, which just happens to be the one feast in which we never know what day or hour the feast begins. Just like the Day of The Lord and the Rapture itself. And the final trumpet blown on Rosh Hashanna is called "The Last Trump." This is the Last Trump Paul references, not the 7th trumpet of Revelation. They have no connection. The Last Trump is a Hebrew idiom for the Feast of Trumpets. The nation is gathered at the tabernacle for consecration before God's wrath is poured out. This is the purpose of the rapture. To gather us to The Lord before God's wrath is poured out on the Earth.

This is why it is so important to study The Old Testament if you are into eschatology. Every prophecy has an old Testament type and shadow. So we should always be able to confirm any prophetic theory we have with Old Testament Scripture. God bless.

Well then NJ, what I have to say next goes to you. The next feast of trumpets is in 25 days (Sept.9-10). Some of us understand for a fact that the Rapture will be on Rosh Hashanah. Many are convinced it will fall this year b/c of the 50 yr jubilee being speculated to be 2017 due to 1967 and 1917. Also, the generation ends in 2017... 1947 nov.29 - 2017 Israel proposition sign to become a nation...or may 1948 ends in spring 2018, but feast of trumpets for 2018 would be more than the 70 yrs (Ps.90:10). I already did my own research in order to find the 70th Week of Daniel b4 I found others research that all basically used the same facts to get to 2010-2017. I began w/ the mid point though, which is passover 2014. I actually improved on the others research but I haven't postd that anywhere...my own research is longer than anyone was willy to read, so I did not expand it. I give you the site and I would like YOU to respond
www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010

 

[MMarc]

If no one knows the time of His arrival but the Father then it stands to reason that we will only know he He is actually here.

There is a difference between the time of His arrival (trumpets) and His revealing Tabernacles.

 

[Vic C.]

Well. traditionally back then, the trumpets were blown within a two day period. They did this because some people had to travel great distances to get to the feast. Now the last trumpet could have been blown on the second day or the first no one knew for sure. If the people got there before sunset of the first day, them it was blown then. If not, it was blown on the second day.

Therefore, Mat 24:36 is till intact.

Of course none of this is carved in stone, but the timing of the fall feasts seems to be the most plausible time for Jesus to return. Many of us believe He was born around this time. It is quite possible (and fitting) that He shall return in the same season.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by NJBeliever

This is the Last Trump Paul references, not the 7th trumpet of Revelation. They have no connection.

Really? :halo


Jesus said, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:39,40)

When does "the last day" occur?

Paul wrote, "According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

These verses contain four important points:

1. The living do not precede the dead to Heaven.
2. Jesus Himself will come down from Heaven.
3. He will call the righteous dead to life with a loud command.
4. As the dead ascend, the living will join with them to meet Jesus in the air.

What exactly does the Bible say? Paul says, "After that [i.e. resurrection of the righteous], we who are still alive and are left will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air." Those who believe in the rapture distort Paul's words to mean, "after that [the rapture], we who are still alive and are left [behind] will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air [later on at the Second Coming]. . . ." But this is not the meaning of Paul's remarks at all. Consider verse 15 again:

"According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep."

Paul states two things: First, the living will not precede the dead to Heaven. The two groups meet the Lord at the same time (i.e. 'at the LAST DAY' - John 6:39,40 above). Second, Paul refers to individuals who are alive at the coming of the Lord in the sense that "we" [the living] who are alive when the Lord appears will unite with the dead to meet Jesus in the air. Paul's idea is quite different from being "left behind after a rapture." Paul did not believe in or teach a pre-Second Coming rapture - quite the contrary:


2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Paul's words in those verses couldn't be any plainer than that concerning our being 'gathered back to Him.' Notice what MUST occur before we are gathered back to Him.

 

[XTruth]

To Osgiliath...
When do you believe the last day is that "the last day" is referring to? Do you believe it is the last day of existance? No, I'm sure you know that the world is without end. So, is "the last day" the last day of the church age? Is "the last day" the last day of the Tribulation or Daniel's 70th Week? Is "the last day" the last day of the Millennial Reign? Are you believing that the righteous on earth and the righteous souls in heaven will be raised up on the same day as the unrighteous, which the Word says will happen at the end of the 1000 years (Rev.20:4-6, 7-15)?

I ask b/c the reference of "the last days" is used for both the righteous and the unrighteous.
[last day] Used six times: five times of the last day of redemption of the righteous when their bodies will be fully redeemed (Jn. 6:39,40,44,54; 11:24... compare with 1Th. 4:16-17; 1Cor. 15:23,51-58), and of the last day when the wicked will be resurrected and judged (Jn. 12:48; Rev.20:11-15).

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (Jn.12:48)."

Therefore, you must understand that the reference of "the last day" is not always referring to the last day of the same thing; but rather, the last day of certain periods or dispensations.


ANYWAY, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE RAPTURES SUSPECTED TIMING APPEARING AS THE FULFILLMENT OF ROSH HASHANAH, NOT A TIMING OF THE RAPTURE IN TERMS OF PRE, MID POST OR ANYTHING ELSE.... THERE ARE PLENTY THREADS FOR THAT