law of sin and death, or law of life ? we are given 2 choices.

[follower]

(example below) the world abides under/in the law of sin and death.
we grow up in a society governed by that law.

Yeshua's death and resurrection did not Redeem society.
so called 'advances' of medicine, technology, education, 'health'(government approved)

even 'work' is ill-defined and not in society what it is in Reality.

so, what sets a person free from the law of sin and death?

Romans 8:1-3Amplified Bible (AMP)
8 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.
3 For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [subdued, overcame, deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice],


(example) lukimea (sic) ... man's way (the way of sin and death) is to give synthetic man made chemicals that cause a great deal of harm. a deficiency in these man made chemicals has never been known to cause a problem, but the presence of them cause excruciatingly many and painful problems without sufficient if any benefit to excuse using them.

in 1920+/-, (no, sorry, no references- but get "nutrition the cancer answer" if you care to seek out the truth. that's just one of perhaps ten thousand reliable published references exposing the injustices practiced in this country (the untied states) )
doctors found out they could create the problem if they took vitamin a out of the food supply /diet of an animal or a person.....

subsequently , they also could relieve the trouble if they gave vit a , and/or found out why it wasn't being used /metabolized by the body. (like when a body finally needs b-12 shots, about maybe 10 years after the deficiency starts. )

 

[tim-from-pa]

I can see where you are coming from, which is why I come in here and upset the apple cart to some people (not all) trying to get them to see how the medical philosophy is not a sound preventative or health inducing philosophy. It's the ways of the world. They are good only for trauma medicine, e.g. to set a bone or some other medical emergency. But that's not what I protest against. What I protest against is that most medical costs go to pharmaceuticals, doctor’s visits and extra testing "just to make sure" in which none of those things improves the quality of life or extends it, just drains the wallet.

An example of a bogus prevention is the sunscreen threads I post. Stuff is carcinogenic and nobody can deny that usage went up due to their big push on the stuff and likewise so did skin cancers (in places where the sun does not even shine) but they blame it all on the sun instead of realizing that we are getting genetically weaker by the generation due to our worldly habits and stuff we ingest. It reminds me of the Garden story. "What did you do, Adam?" "It's not me, the woman gave me to eat". "What did you do, woman?" "The serpent made me do it." And so on and so forth passes the buck. Likewise, "It's not that we are weakening ourselves, Lord! The sun made me get cancer!" Forget that fact that all these millenia the sun did not seem to do that before. Oh, that's right, they blame the ozone layer now! It's never the person's fault. We are all holy and righteous and upright. It's always something else's fault.

And the crux: How do we stop this act of self-righteousness? We start by doing things and eating God's way, and keep worldly ways to a minimum. We start taking an active role and not believe the philosophy they push on us and "run to the doctors again". I think most people who do that are not really as sick as they are told. But they have to be told something to justify drugging them up, and they fall for it, too.

 

[follower]

yes.

the same year, or the next, after sun screen started being used, they published that using it caused a 17% increase in skin cancer (not a decrease in any group as far as i know).

yet what happened ?

society kept increasing the spf (a lie) and continued making bogus claims and lies to increase its use.

obviously, there might be someone who benefits from putting sun screen on, but that is the exception to the great majority of users.

just like there is the rare baby who is not harmed by soy formula, but the system never routinely makes the distinction and many more are harmed than helped.

"the system" (mankind, society) has fallen. and most churches were pulled down (deceived) by it.

so what is the lowly, humble believer to do ? (he cannot safely trust his leaders in government nor church).

trust Yhwh, put all confidence in He Who is Always Faithful; seek Him always. He is always Faithful.

 

[JLB]

I can see where you are coming from, which is why I come in here and upset the apple cart to some people (not all) trying to get them to see how the medical philosophy is not a sound preventative or health inducing philosophy. It's the ways of the world. They are good only for trauma medicine, e.g. to set a bone or some other medical emergency. But that's not what I protest against. What I protest against is that most medical costs go to pharmaceuticals, doctor’s visits and extra testing "just to make sure" in which none of those things improves the quality of life or extends it, just drains the wallet.

An example of a bogus prevention is the sunscreen threads I post. Stuff is carcinogenic and nobody can deny that usage went up due to their big push on the stuff and likewise so did skin cancers (in places where the sun does not even shine) but they blame it all on the sun instead of realizing that we are getting genetically weaker by the generation due to our worldly habits and stuff we ingest. It reminds me of the Garden story. "What did you do, Adam?" "It's not me, the woman gave me to eat". "What did you do, woman?" "The serpent made me do it." And so on and so forth passes the buck. Likewise, "It's not that we are weakening ourselves, Lord! The sun made me get cancer!" Forget that fact that all these millenia the sun did not seem to do that before. Oh, that's right, they blame the ozone layer now! It's never the person's fault. We are all holy and righteous and upright. It's always something else's fault.

And the crux: How do we stop this act of self-righteousness? We start by doing things and eating God's way, and keep worldly ways to a minimum. We start taking an active role and not believe the philosophy they push on us and "run to the doctors again". I think most people who do that are not really as sick as they are told. But they have to be told something to justify drugging them up, and they fall for it, too.

Good word, Brother!

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before , as I have also told you in time past , that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 KJV

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 NKJV

Pharmacy = Sorcery or witchcraft


Strong's Number: 5331 - Pharmakeia

Definition

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

JLB

 

[Willie T]

Good word, Brother!

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before , as I have also told you in time past , that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 KJV

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 NKJV

Pharmacy = Sorcery or witchcraft


Strong's Number: 5331 - Pharmakeia

Definition

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

JLB

Hummm.... I wonder what Luke did in the performance of his profession?

 

[tim-from-pa]

Hummm.... I wonder what Luke did in the performance of his profession?

C' mon, Willie, if by that comment you mean that we are knocking the profession of doctors and you don't know where I and the rest are coming from, then you lack discernment.

Here's probably one way Luke performed medical work:

Honour a physician with the honour due unto him for the uses which ye may have of him: for the Lord hath created him.
2For of the most High cometh healing, and he shall receive honour of the king.
3The skill of the physician shall lift up his head: and in the sight of great men he shall be in admiration.
4The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them.

Here's another example:

21For Isaiah had said, Let them take a lump of figs, and lay it for a plaister upon the boil, and he shall recover.

Today we would call that proper eating, vitamins, minerals, herbs, fresh air, sunshine, clean water and overall righteous living and eating, etc. All which are holy and God-given resources for our health and enjoyment. Not synthetic drugs and man-contrived procedures for filthy lucre. Some doctors and many mainline medical organizations today became apostate to this passage by denouncing that which God has called good and kosher.

 

[JLB]

Hummm.... I wonder what Luke did in the performance of his profession?

Jesus also said - those who are sick need a physician.

Jesus answered and said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick Luke 5:31

However, I believe the medical profession has changed dramatically from 100 years ago.

How much more, since these days when these words were spoken by Jesus.

Today, all doctors do is prescribe drugs, as the pharmaceutical Industry is so lucrative.

Check these numbers - They build a pharmacy every 17 minutes in the US!

There is a balance between Doctors who heal patients and Doctors who treat for life.

Treating a person with Pharmaceuticals for life is a patient for life.

Much more profitable.


I hope you can see the difference I am presenting.


Bless you.


JLB

 

[Willie T]

Jesus also said - those who are sick need a physician.

Jesus answered and said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick Luke 5:31

However, I believe the medical profession has changed dramatically from 100 years ago.

How much more, since these days when these words were spoken by Jesus.

Today, all doctors do is prescribe drugs, as the pharmaceutical Industry is so lucrative.

Check these numbers - They build a pharmacy every 17 minutes in the US!

There is a balance between Doctors who heal patients and Doctors who treat for life.

Treating a person with Pharmaceuticals for life is a patient for life.

Much more profitable.


I hope you can see the difference I am presenting.


Bless you.


JLB

Do you really think so? The woman with the issue of blood had spent every last coin she had.... And the doctors gladly took it all.

BTW, you are preaching to the choir about pill pushers. I have little use for them. But that doesn't mean we can twist scripture to make them candidates for Hell.

 

[follower]

Hummm.... I wonder what Luke did in the performance of his profession?

He healed people. ... (never used witchcraft either ! )

 

[Willie T]

He healed people. ... (never used witchcraft either ! )

Exactly. And he used their rendition of "pills" and "ointments". And he did it for years before meeting Jesus. We KNOW he didn't heal supernaturally, because no man does that. Only God.

 

[follower]

Exactly. And he used their rendition of "pills" and "ointments". And he did it for years before meeting Jesus. We KNOW he didn't heal supernaturally, because no man does that. Only God.

what Bible are you reading ? or was that sarcism ? (sic)
no matter.
as posted earlier, modern phrmk is not what Luke practiced, not at all.
(he didn't use anything harmful)
it is also not what any man Faithful to Yhwh does. not willingly. not at all. (there's exceptions, for another day)
the 'father of pharmacy'(modern) what medical schools and others teach, was Paracelsus.
guess who taught Paracelsus ? (hint: not Yhwh).

 

[Willie T]

what Bible are you reading ? or was that sarcism ? (sic)
no matter.
as posted earlier, modern phrmk is not what Luke practiced, not at all.
(he didn't use anything harmful)
it is also not what any man Faithful to Yhwh does. not willingly. not at all. (there's exceptions, for another day)
the 'father of pharmacy'(modern) what medical schools and others teach, was Paracelsus.
guess who taught Paracelsus ? (hint: not Yhwh).

I certainly hope you do not believe that mortal men can heal. I have been instrumental in allowing God to heal many people through my willingness to be His vessel... but I can guarantee you that neither I, nor any other human being to ever walk the face of the Earth has any ability to heal people.

 

[tim-from-pa]

BTW, you are preaching to the choir about pill pushers. I have little use for them. But that doesn't mean we can twist scripture to make them candidates for Hell.

Glad to hear that Willie. I'm relieved.

 

[Willie T]

Glad to hear that Willie. I'm relieved.

Back in the day, I contracted Hep C from often being covered in other guy's blood. Medics weren't always easy to find, and you did what you could, any way you could. Anyhow, that is the only thing I have taken medication for in years.

The Chiropractor I go to for a twisted and bent spine used to be a pharmacist. He says it finally got to him.... knowing that he was, basically, helping to simply kill people slowly. Now he has a practice where he charges about half of what most others charge, and he insists that we (all his patients) attend free seminars on health and nutrition that he conducts in the evenings.

 

[follower]

Back in the day, I contracted Hep C from often being covered in other guy's blood. Medics weren't always easy to find, and you did what you could, any way you could. Anyhow, that is the only thing I have taken medication for in years.

The Chiropractor I go to for a twisted and bent spine used to be a pharmacist. He says it finally got to him.... knowing that he was, basically, helping to simply kill people slowly. Now he has a practice where he charges about half of what most others charge, and he insists that we (all his patients) attend free seminars on health and nutrition that he conducts in the evenings.

glad for the good parts Willie.
ask the chiro what to do to 'feel better' with hep c. he might not know, but even if he does, he cannot legally treat hep c or tell someone what will cure it. someone who knows might be willing to share what to do to 'feel better'. that's legal.

 

[JLB]

Do you really think so? The woman with the issue of blood had spent every last coin she had.... And the doctors gladly took it all.

BTW, you are preaching to the choir about pill pushers. I have little use for them. But that doesn't mean we can twist scripture to make them candidates for Hell.

Brother,

I'm not twisting scripture.

Please look up the definitions your self.

When a doctor just treats people by prescribing pills that the pharmesutical companies who pay these doctors off with perks and "rebates" and payoffs, with there latest product, then they are no longer doctors, but sorcerers who have sold out to Mammon.

Then years later when the latest pill is found to cause cancer...


Please try to see the difference.


JLB

 

[follower]

besides, according to scripture it's not just doctors but most of the world candidates for judgment.(hell or other)