Man Is Mortal not Immortal !

[Elvispelvis]

1. Man is mortal, does not have an immortal soul. God only has immortality. If Jesus was immortal He never died on the cross!!

—. Word “soul†is used in different ways, but never in the sense of immortality. The words immortal soul do not appear anywhere in the bible so this is another commandment of men being taught in the churches today!

—. “utterly destroyed … the souls†(Josh. 10:28)
Why would the bible say the souls were destroyed if they were immortal?

—. “the soul that sinneth, it shall surely die†(Ezek. 18:4, 20)
The bible is very clear the soul that sins it shall die!
So when the churches teach that your soul is immortal they do not agree with the bible when Ezekiel says the soul that sins it shall die!!

2. Earth, not HEAVEN promised
—. “The HEAVEN, even the HEAVENs, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.†(Psa. 115:16).
The bible teaches that the meek shall inherit the earth yet the churches teach we go to heaven.
The kingdom of God comes on the earth as our reward yet modern churches teach you die and go to heaven.
The 1,000 years reign of Yeshua is on the earth yet modern churches teach we die and go to heaven.

—. “ … the kingdom under the whole HEAVEN, shall be given to the … saints†(Dan. 7.27)

—. “we shall reign on the earth†(Rev. 5:10)

Modern churches are astray form the old testament teachings.

 

[Drew]

1. Man is mortal, does not have an immortal soul. God only has immortality.

I think I agree with you on this. The concept of an immortal soul is arguably a Greek idea awkwardly and incorrectly imposed by us (who live very much out of the Greek tradition) on the scriptures written by non-Greeks.

 

[Nathan]

So what is 'everlasting life' all about?

 

[Elvispelvis]

Nathaniel do not forget the promises
That Yeshua would bring peace on earth and good will toward men.
Everlasting life is in the Kingdom Of God On Earth with Christ our KIng ruling in justice and honesty and peace on earth. The Curse is to be lifted off the earth and " The Garden Of Eden will exist again.

New Heavens and a New Earth

17 “Behold, I will create

new heavens and a new earth.

The former things will not be remembered,

nor will they come to mind.

18 But be glad and rejoice forever

in what I will create,

for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight

and its people a joy.

19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem

and take delight in my people;

the sound of weeping and of crying

will be heard in it no more.



20 “Never again will there be in it

an infant who lives but a few days,

or an old man who does not live out his years;

he who dies at a hundred

will be thought a mere youth;

he who fails to reach [fn1] a hundred

will be considered accursed.

21 They will build houses and dwell in them;

they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,

or plant and others eat.

For as the days of a tree,

so will be the days of my people;

my chosen ones will long enjoy

the works of their hands.

23 They will not toil in vain

or bear children doomed to misfortune;

for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,

they and their descendants with them.

24 Before they call I will answer;

while they are still speaking I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,

and the lion will eat straw like the ox,

but dust will be the serpent's food.

They will neither harm nor destroy

on all my holy mountain,â€

The old testament is full of future events .

 

[ProphetMark]

If Jesus was immortal He never died on the cross!!

So who 'went and preached to the spirits in prison' if Jesus's soul was dead? (1 Peter 3 v 18-20).

 

[tig]

1. Man is mortal, does not have an immortal soul. God only has immortality. If Jesus was immortal He never died on the cross!!

Elvis, yes man is mortal, as is his soul, which is directly linked to the body by the spirit.

—. Word “soul†is used in different ways, but never in the sense of immortality. The words immortal soul do not appear anywhere in the bible so this is another commandment of men being taught in the churches today!

I agree completely. People are confused about what their "soul" is. But, that is easily remedied. The bible always defines it's meanings in it's context. As defined by the bible itself, a soul is:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It's really, really simple. A soul is: (dust of the ground) the flesh of man and woman + (breath of life) spirit = soul. Or this: 1 body of flesh + 1 spirit from God = 1 soul.

Adam and Eve were "living" souls, because they had not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The day they ate thereof, they became "dead" souls.

A LIVING soul is obviously a person that IS NOT conscious of the flesh as pertaining to a relationship with God, a DEAD soul is a person who IS conscious of the flesh as pertaining to a relationship with God.

As in: Before they ate, they were naked and were not ashamed; after they ate, they knew that they were naked, and hid themselves.

A dead soul can be said to be one who eats (or partakes) of the knowledge of good and evil, which is the law.

A living soul can be said to be one who eats (or partakes) of the tree of life, which is Christ, his message. As in: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life( JN 6: 63).

—. “utterly destroyed … the souls†(Josh. 10:28)
Why would the bible say the souls were destroyed if they were immortal?

—. “the soul that sinneth, it shall surely die†(Ezek. 18:4, 20)
The bible is very clear the soul that sins it shall die!
So when the churches teach that your soul is immortal they do not agree with the bible when Ezekiel says the soul that sins it shall die!!

Absolutely true. All souls that sin die. It is not the soul that is immortal. JC said that God is a spirit. JC said that God is our Father. JC said that the flesh is nothing, it is the spirit that makes alive.

So, therefore, God is a spirit, he is our Father, we are his children, spirit begets spirit, therfore, we are the spirit inside the body, not the body itself.

So, yes, we are eternal, like God, JC is the record that we have this gift (1 JN 5: 10-11) . And that record was confirmed by his resurrection from the dead.

2. Earth, not HEAVEN promised
—. “The HEAVEN, even the HEAVENs, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.†(Psa. 115:16).
The bible teaches that the meek shall inherit the earth yet the churches teach we go to heaven.
The kingdom of God comes on the earth as our reward yet modern churches teach you die and go to heaven.
The 1,000 years reign of Yeshua is on the earth yet modern churches teach we die and go to heaven.

—. “ … the kingdom under the whole HEAVEN, shall be given to the … saints†(Dan. 7.27)

—. “we shall reign on the earth†(Rev. 5:10)

Modern churches are astray form the old testament teachings.

Yes, the children of men inhabit the earth. We are not the children of men but for the purpose of the sufferings of death (and it is but a brief moment), but in reality we are the children of God. So we shall inherit heaven as so says the bible. Eccles 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The kingdom of God, or heaven, is within us, as JC stated, it is not coming, it is here, it is who we are, the spirit, not the flesh (Luke 17: 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.).


When Christ comes back for each and every one of us at the death of the flesh, when the spirit is taken, we will go to the place prepared for us, in our Father's house. Jn 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The second coming of JC is greatly mistaken or intentionally misinformed, the second coming of JC is a peaceful event where he returns at the death of our flesh to take our spirit unto our Father's house. Earth is not our home, only a classroom to teach us the value of being eternal spiritual beings by suffering death as a mortal man or woman. A lesson of contrasts taught to each and every one of us by our loving Father in heaven.

 

[Nathan]

So you are saying that believer and unbeliever alike will not have eternal life? So, we will not be ruling and reigning with Him in the Kingdom?

 

[Vic C.]

So what is 'everlasting life' all about?

I believe he is saying immortality is something we achieve.

I run smack into this passage a lot myself:

1 Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

 

[Elvispelvis]

Re: Man Is Mortal not Immortal !

Quote Originally Posted by nathanielhooper View Post
So what is 'everlasting life' all about?
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Vic c
I believe he is saying immortality is something we achieve.

I run smack into this passage a lot myself:

1 Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Elvispelvis said'

Excellent use of Solomon in your last comment.. tig ....... Vic C you are correct sir YHWH is the only one with immortality according to the bible in 1 Tim 6.
So teaching we have immortality is teaching the commandments of men from the modern churches, fables handed down through the ages.

Ecc explains death so clearly

18 I also thought, “As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals.

19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [fn2] ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.

20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.

21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [fn3] goes down into the earth?â€

22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Ecc 9
3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.

4 Anyone who is among the living has hope [fn2] —even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!



5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward,

and even the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part

in anything that happens under the sun.

What do you think of these verses tig ?

 

[Elvispelvis]

Vic c said
I believe he is saying immortality is something we achieve.---------------------------------------------------------------

Elvispelvis Said'

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Why would the bible say we seek for immortality if we all ready have it ??

1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

Why would the bible say that the mortal must put on immortality if we already have it ??

1Cr 15:54 So when this...................... corruptible shall have put on incorruption,...................... and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
How can the bible be any more clear , the corruptible must put on the incorrupitable and the mortal put on immorality.!!

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Modern churches teach we have an immortal soul, they are teaching old wives tales, fables, and myths ,
the commandments of men for doctrine.

1Ti 4:6 ¶ If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

] 1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Modern churches are astray from the old testament.

 

[Elijah674]

So what is 'everlasting life' all about?

So you are saying that believer and unbeliever alike will not have eternal life? So, we will not be ruling and reigning with Him in the Kingdom?

Lucifer + Adam were perfect (very good) at their creation. Neither had MATURE perfection. neither were or could be Immortal without eating of the tree of life. In the END for the Saved ones, they will be MATURED SAFE TO SAVE. Nah. 1:9 It is then that the Tree of life is restored. It could be said that both Adam & Lucifer at one time were immortal, yet, it was not the Godheads kind of 'Once Immortal Always IMMORTAL'! OK?? (theirs was the created CONDITIONAL type)

MATURITY is what it is all about. What the Word of God teaches is that the believer does not even ever have un/conditional (eating of the tree of life restored) Immortal life! Just the Godhead. 1 Tim. 6:14-16 + 1 Tim. 1:17 + Gen. 3:22

--Elijah