MillennialMathamatics

[Hitch]

Its a simple problem. Here we are Jesus is enthroned in Jersalem, and somehow even though he is in his glorified state and no one yet unglorified can survive even the sight of him, we'll pretend .OK?

This is bound to make the papers ,maybe even the TV news. At any rate people are going to find out . And when they do what is going to happen? They are going to want to see him. A nice hug, maybe a 'word' or two for the charasmatics ,sign a picture that sort of thing.

So how many folks do you think might show up? Couple hundred? Couple thousand?

There is around 50 million Catholics in Italy. I'll wager at least 10% would try to make the trip to see Jesus . Five million , at .526 million minutes a year, not allowing for non believers or any new converts...about ten years.

So Peter and John set up an entrance and exit system and allow each pilgrim 60 seconds. Now thats not time with the Lord, thats coming in getting out and starting the process over.

Now here is the simple math.

24 (one day) X 60 (minutes per hour) = 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day.

Elvis would draw more than this but its just a hypothetical,. The trouble is as you can see, the line will get longer ,never shorter, and it will get longer every day for a thousand years.
Just think of the glorious televison coverage as thousands of mothers with sick children wail as their babes expire waiting their turn. And this 1,440 requires 24/7 no breaks of any kind. So much for Jesus trying your fried chicken.

I cant wait

 

[reba]

You have never heard of drive thru :

 

[Hitch]

You have never heard of drive thru :

Thats it drive through sacrifices,, I dont see how Jesus is gong to have time to slaughter all those millennial temple sacrifices and still see enough visitors... somebody call Hal Lindsey.....

 

[NJBeliever]

Jesus was in His glorified body at His Resurrection. He was was the first resurrected to an incorruptible body (1 Corinthians 15).

And He was around lots of people in that glorified body. Spoke to them, touched them and ate with them. So the notion that people cannot "survive the sight of him" is incorrect.

 

[Hitch]

Jesus was in His glorified body at His Resurrection. He was was the first resurrected to an incorruptible body (1 Corinthians 15).

And He was around lots of people in that glorified body. Spoke to them, touched them and ate with them. So the notion that people cannot "survive the sight of him" is incorrect.

Nope. Like Moses he was veiled.

When he returns we shall all be like him because we shall see him as he is.

 

[theLords]

Nope. Like Moses he was veiled.

When he returns we shall all be like him because we shall see him as he is.

Where does it state this in Scripture?

 

[Hitch]

Where does it state this in Scripture?

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn 3;2

 

[Alabaster]

Jesus was in His glorified body at His Resurrection. He was was the first resurrected to an incorruptible body (1 Corinthians 15).

And He was around lots of people in that glorified body. Spoke to them, touched them and ate with them. So the notion that people cannot "survive the sight of him" is incorrect.

Actually, Jesus wasn't in His glorified state at His resurrection, but He was in an incorruptible state...not susceptible to decay, disease or death.

His glorification occurred at His ascension. It was previewed at His transfiguration.

 

[theLords]

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jn 3;2

That doesn't state that Jesus was veiled like Moses when He was resurrected

 

[Hitch]

That doesn't state that Jesus was veiled like Moses when He was resurrected

I though you were asking about the passage.


1 Jn 4;12 No one has ever seen God; ....



1T 6


14 that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 which in its own times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

These were penned long after the resurrecion by men who had some intersting expeiences seeing things.

 

[theLords]

1 Jn 4;12 No one has ever seen God; ....

1T 6


14 that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 which in its own times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

That still doesn't state that Jesus was veiled during His time on earth after the resurrection.

 

[Hitch]

That still doesn't state that Jesus was veiled during His time on earth after the resurrection.

I didnt say it was a quote, it is evidentiary. Remember Moses hid his face from God,and hid his face from the people. That was the God of Israel, the same Tom 'sees'

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Obviously the glory that Moses glimpsed was veiled when this took place. As in the quote below;


John 14:8-9
8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'


Dont forget at the tomb they could barely stand the sight of the angels .


Or Give your explanation wrt why they could look at him.:yes

 

[theLords]

I didnt say it was a quote, it is evidentiary. Remeber Moses his his face from God,and hid his face from the people. That was the God of Israel, the same Tom 'sees'
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Obviusly the glory that Moses glimpsed was veiled when this took place. As in the quote below;

John 14:8-9
8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'

Or Give your explanation wrt why they could look at him.:yes

Peniel.

 

[Alabaster]

They could look upon Him because He hadn't received His glorified body yet.

We need glorification in order to stand in the real presence of God.

Moses, even though He never was able to look upon God's face directly, was suffused with glory by being in His partial presence on Sinai.

 

[Hitch]

They could look upon Him because He hadn't received His glorified body yet.

We need glorification in order to stand in the real presence of God.

Moses, even though He never was able to look upon God's face directly, was suffused with glory by being in His partial presence on Sinai.

I reckon that pretty much what I've been saying but coming from you your friends will accept it. :waving

 

[Alabaster]

I reckon that pretty much what I've been saying but coming from you your friends will accept it. :waving

Yes, they usually do. ;)

 

[Hitch]

Yes, they usually do. ;)

I hope it doesnt hurt too much to agree with me publicly

 

[Sinthesis]

They could look upon Him because He hadn't received His glorified body yet.

We need glorification in order to stand in the real presence of God.

Moses, even though He never was able to look upon God's face directly, was suffused with glory by being in His partial presence on Sinai.

Is there a contradiction in posts #8 and #14? :dunno
I doubt Jesus was sporting a glorified bodily image until the ascension as it apparently still showed the scars of His crucifixion.

 

[Alabaster]

Is there a contradiction in posts #8 and #14? :dunno
I doubt Jesus was sporting a glorified bodily image until the ascension as it apparently still showed the scars of His crucifixion.

Yes there is a contradiction--you are right. Thank you for pointing that out. I will make a correction there. ;)

When we are resurrected, we will receive a glorified body because we will be going to heaven for a period of time with Jesus. But when Jesus resurrected from the tomb, He was raised incorruptible, but wasn't glorified until His ascension.

When He comes to rule in the Millennium with the Bride, He and we will have incorruptible flesh bodies.

 

[David505]

Its a simple problem...The trouble is as you can see, the line will get longer ,never shorter, and it will get longer every day for a thousand years.

Thanks Hitch,

Returning to the topic, by comparison, we could pose a similar question regarding prayer: does God hear all our prayers sequentially or simultaneously?