Moons and Sabbaths are a shadow

[Cyberseeker]

... with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Two questions for everyone.

1st question: In what way are new moons and sabbaths a shadow? In other words, how is Christ the 'substance' of a moon or a sabbath?

2nd question: If moons and sabbaths are a shadow and Christ is the 'substance,' is there any value in observing moons or sabbath? (By this, I assume it means both weekly and/or yearly sabbaths)

Cyberseeker

 

[Alabaster]

I don't delve too deeply into this, but I believe it means that Jesus is the reality of what these feast days and sabbaths were set out to represent.

We do not need them any more. Jesus has come and He is our sabbath. He is our rest.

However, I do believe that when Jesus comes again, we will celebrate again His feast days in His Kingdom with Him on the throne.

 

[Ashua]

Two questions for everyone.

1st question: In what way are new moons and sabbaths a shadow? In other words, how is Christ the 'substance' of a moon or a sabbath?

I believe the sabbath day (week) is a shadow of the time line of Earth. Supposing that each day is equivalent to 1,000 years. Biblical numerology holds the number 6 as the number of man. 7 is the number of God. the seventh day is the sabbath day. If each day is 1,000 years, what other biblical day is 1,000 years in duration? The millennial sabbath. So, I believe the "sabbath" will be fulfilled with the millennial kingdom and the establishment of His kingdom.

As for the New Moon, I am not quite sure atm what that is a shadow for. Somehow it really hasnt crossed my mind yet. Going to definitely ponder on that one. Hopefully the Holy Spirit will teach me what the meaning of it is.

The seven feast days given in the Torah are also shadows of Christ.

Passover/Feast of unleavened bread is obviously about the crucifixion, purging of sins, and repentance (casting out the old leaven)
Yom Kippur means the day of atonement and is quite obvious what that is about.

Yom Teruah/ Feast of trumpets/shoutings I believe is actually the day of the year --whatsoever year it may be-- when Christ returns and gathers his people with the trumpet blast; the fist resurrection which is of the righteous dead.

Sukkoat/feast of tabernacles was when the "Word became flesh and tabernacled among us" (See the feast of tabernacles and also recollect how the Ark of the Covenant was tabernacled before the temple was built) Sukkoat will also be fulfilled when the New Jerusalem is established and we dwell in his presence.

The counting of the omer culminating in Shavuot /"first fruits" was obviously fulfilled at pentecost.

(unleavened bread and sukkoat each have 2 high sabbaths so that is why the list is 2 shy of 7)

2nd question: If moons and sabbaths are a shadow and Christ is the 'substance,' is there any value in observing moons or sabbath? (By this, I assume it means both weekly and/or yearly sabbaths)

Cyberseeker

Yes, if you are honoring God by doing so in the Newness of the Spirit and not just after the old letter (which I assume you are asking after the Spirit.)
Will he who does be thought of as any less than he who does not? If we are free to not keep the things contained in the Law; does that then mean we are forbidden to do them if we so chose? God forbid. If we do it with the right motive, it honors God. If not, then your worship is vanity.

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. -Romans 14:5-6

 

[Ashua]

12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13[Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbidb]. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21I [/color=red]find then a law[/color], that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Romans 7:12-24

 

[pjt]

Look up Mark Blitz on the web or Youtube. He has really good teachings on these kinds of topics. He knows his stuff very well.

 

[Elijah674]

If one would 'see' the problem of Acts 15? and then he would understand the Gal. Eph., Col. [[[ONE]]] problem which Paul was trying to correct.

It was NOT the Eternal Covenant one of Heb. 13:20 or the Eternal Gospel of Rev. 14:6! It is amazing how one can read into the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, feast days, sabbath days, high days, +! and all in the plural!

Acts 15:1 & verse 24 ibide. has it INSPIRED.. '...EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNOR OF MOSES, YE CANNOT BE SAVED'] + 'Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, [[[saying, Ye MUST BE CIRCUMCISED] AND [[[KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES:]]] to which [[[WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT']]].

And some of you ones do the devil's work with TRYING to DESTROY THE GODHEADS ETERNAL TEN! Dan. 7:25 And then really the only one that is HATED is THEIR 7th Day Sabbath one. James 2:8-12

--Elijah

 

[Ashua]

If one would 'see' the problem of Acts 15? and then he would understand the Gal. Eph., Col. [[[ONE]]] problem which Paul was trying to correct.

It was NOT the Eternal Covenant one of Heb. 13:20 or the Eternal Gospel of Rev. 14:6! It is amazing how one can read into the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, feast days, sabbath days, high days, +! and all in the plural!

Acts 15:1 & verse 24 ibide. has it INSPIRED.. '...EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNOR OF MOSES, YE CANNOT BE SAVED'] + 'Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, [[[saying, Ye MUST BE CIRCUMCISED] AND [[[KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES:]]] to which [[[WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT']]].

And some of you ones do the devil's work with TRYING to DESTROY THE GODHEADS ETERNAL TEN! Dan. 7:25 And then really the only one that is HATED is THEIR 7th Day Sabbath one. James 2:8-12

--Elijah

Acts 15 is a chapter I know well. This same event is covered twice in Acts (Acts 21). The Jews which believed were saying that except you keep Moses Law, you CANNOT be saved. That was the dispute. NOT that you could not keep it if it pleased you to do so in the newness of Spirit in honor of God.
If you read Acts more closely you would see that even Paul still kept the Law.

Acts 21:24-26

24Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

(Read earlier in the chapter to understand what is meant in verse 24 "Those things whereof they were informed concerning thee")

Acts 21:20-21

20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

It is THIS which Paul was being falsely accused of. It is THIS that they found him innocent of. It is THIS very Law which Paul kept in the Newness of Spirit and it is THIS which he kept out of love and not in a legalistic dead heart.

2 Peter 3:15-16

And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Scotth1960]

Acts 15 is a chapter I know well. This same event is covered twice in Acts (Acts 21). The Jews which believed were saying that except you keep Moses Law, you CANNOT be saved. That was the dispute. NOT that you could not keep it if it pleased you to do so in the newness of Spirit in honor of God.
If you read Acts more closely you would see that even Paul still kept the Law.



(Read earlier in the chapter to understand what is meant in verse 24 "Those things whereof they were informed concerning thee")



It is THIS which Paul was being falsely accused of. It is THIS that they found him innocent of. It is THIS very Law which Paul kept in the Newness of Spirit and it is THIS which he kept out of love and not in a legalistic dead heart.

It doesn't take a lot of reading of all the Scriptures to know the truth about worship days. Christ rose from death on SUNDAY. Therefore, the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the basic worship day for CHRISTIANS. In Acts they met on SUNDAY. Scott Harrington
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[Theofilus]

It doesn't take a lot of reading of all the Scriptures to know the truth about worship days. Christ rose from death on SUNDAY. Therefore, the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the basic worship day for CHRISTIANS. In Acts they met on SUNDAY. Scott Harrington
:nod

They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:42-47 NIV)​

Acts says that they met every day. The fact that one particular meeting happened to be on the first day of the week is totally insignificant. There is nothing that indicates that they changed their day of worship from the 7th day, which is the day God told us to dedicate to Him. In fact, Christians were keeping the Sabbath even in the early 4th century.

There is also nothing that indicates that Christ rose on a Sunday morning. The Bible doesn't tell us exactly when the resurrection was. What it does tell us is when the women discovered the tomb was empty. However, even though we are not told an exact time for the resurrection, we are given enough information to figure it out. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and raised on Saturday evening at abuot sunset. This is the only way he could have fulfilled both the shaddow pictures presented in Passover and the Feast of Firstfruits, as well as his own prophecy, where he said that he would be in the grave for three days and three nights.

 

[Ashua]

They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:42-47 NIV)​

Acts says that they met every day. The fact that one particular meeting happened to be on the first day of the week is totally insignificant. There is nothing that indicates that they changed their day of worship from the 7th day, which is the day God told us to dedicate to Him. In fact, Christians were keeping the Sabbath even in the early 4th century.

There is also nothing that indicates that Christ rose on a Sunday morning. The Bible doesn't tell us exactly when the resurrection was. What it does tell us is when the women discovered the tomb was empty. However, even though we are not told an exact time for the resurrection, we are given enough information to figure it out. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and raised on Saturday evening at abuot sunset. This is the only way he could have fulfilled both the shaddow pictures presented in Passover and the Feast of Firstfruits, as well as his own prophecy, where he said that he would be in the grave for three days and three nights.

Right. You beat me to it. And not only this, but one of the verses which is used to justify sunday worship is really saying that their Sabbath worship was pouring over until the first day of the week as Hebrew days begin at sundown.

Jesus was indeed resurrected on the first day of the week, sunday. That sunday happened to fall on the 17th of Nisan that year. The Biblical feast of First Fruits. Scotth, perhaps you should keep the feast of First Fruits to be consistent with that logic.

 

[Hardcastle]

It doesn't take a lot of reading of all the Scriptures to know the truth about worship days. Christ rose from death on SUNDAY. Therefore, the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the basic worship day for CHRISTIANS. In Acts they met on SUNDAY. Scott Harrington
:nod

You are correct - Scripture and history both confirm Christians assembled on the first day of the week to celebrate the risen Savior who arose from the grave on the first day of the week.