[_ Old Earth _] More evidence of evolution

[reznwerks]

The breakup of giant icebergs may have forced minor evolutionary changes in penguins over the past 6,000 years, a new study suggests.

The Antarctic iceberg chunks, which break off the continent now and then, are thought to have blocked the swim paths of Adelie penguins returning home to their colonies. Some of the penguins were forced to become immigrants in other colonies, where they established new homes and interbred with the locals.

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ ... n_evo.html

 

[Khristeeanos]

Minor changes are no problem. We see those all the time.

There are breeds of dogs today that didn't exist in the recent past and there will be more in the near future.

But that doesn't mean that small variations equals macro evolution!

Small changes happen because God built them into all living things.

 

[Solo]

It is amazing that the majority of those who believe in evolution have not been born of God as Jesus taught. In fact, the majority of these evolutionists types are antiChrist in their beliefs.

 

[Vanaka]

The breakup of giant icebergs may have forced minor evolutionary changes in penguins over the past 6,000 years, a new study suggests.

The Antarctic iceberg chunks, which break off the continent now and then, are thought to have blocked the swim paths of Adelie penguins returning home to their colonies. Some of the penguins were forced to become immigrants in other colonies, where they established new homes and interbred with the locals.

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ ... n_evo.html

thats great,just one great whopping problem....
their still penguins :P

 

[Barbarian]

It is amazing that the majority of those who believe in evolution have not been born of God as Jesus taught.

Most of the world's Christians accept that evolution is consistent with our faith in God.

In fact, the majority of these evolutionists types are antiChrist in their beliefs.

Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them.

 

[Barbarian]

(Demonstration of evolution of new species of penguin)

thats great,just one great whopping problem....
their still penguins

And humans and chimps are still hominoids. Still, I have to think that they do differ significantly.

And penguins differ more than humans and chimps do.

 

[Solo]

It is amazing that the majority of those who believe in evolution have not been born of God as Jesus taught.

Most of the world's Christians accept that evolution is consistent with our faith in God.

[quote:a0976]In fact, the majority of these evolutionists types are antiChrist in their beliefs.

Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them.[/quote:a0976]
You are wrong again. Your definition of Christian is different than mine. I am talking about those that have been born again. Not those that just like the name Christian. Those that have been born again see the truth in the Word of God, and they know evolution to be a lie of the devil.

 

[Rick W]

Hey Rez,
I'm just curious.

Do you believe in abiogenesis or panspermia?

 

[reznwerks]

def

Hey Rez,
I'm just curious.

Do you believe in abiogenesis or panspermia?

I don't" believe" in either one. I understand what the definitions of both are however. The first one is the study of how life might have originated on earth and the second is the claim that life was already formed and found its way to earth. The first has many possibilities and the second has some suggestive theories which could hold promise. Let me ask you , do you believe a supernatural being could impregnate a human?

 

[cubedbee]

It is amazing that the majority of those who believe in evolution have not been born of God as Jesus taught.

Most of the world's Christians accept that evolution is consistent with our faith in God.

[quote:a6ff0]In fact, the majority of these evolutionists types are antiChrist in their beliefs.

Someone's had a little fun with your trust in them.

You are wrong again. Your definition of Christian is different than mine. I am talking about those that have been born again. Not those that just like the name Christian. Those that have been born again see the truth in the Word of God, and they know evolution to be a lie of the devil.[/quote:a6ff0]No, those who have been born again see the truth in the Word of God, the fact that it doesn't contradict the world we observe, and they believe evolution and reject the lie of the devil that is YEC. Quit spreading your slanderous lies about born again Christians.

 

[reznwerks]

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You are wrong again. Your definition of Christian is different than mine. I am talking about those that have been born again. Not those that just like the name Christian. Those that have been born again see the truth in the Word of God, and they know evolution to be a lie of the devil.

Then you can see what "born again" is? Is seeing the "truth" able to be demonstrated to others or is this something of a self confirming absolute?

 

[Vanaka]

(Demonstration of evolution of new species of penguin)

thats great,just one great whopping problem....
their still penguins

And humans and chimps are still hominoids. Still, I have to think that they do differ significantly.

And penguins differ more than humans and chimps do.

ok I know where this is going :roll:


first off let me explain wat natural selection is,by saying there is such a thing


just diffrent then how you where tuaght



ok heres an example of how it works



two dogs get "marryied" and have kids

the parents gene code is(simplified)


male:aB Ab aB female:Ab aB Ab


on pup has long hair his gene code is:

pup 1:AB AB AB


now..what do you think he will produce?

long haired pups.


as you can see,genes are lost rather then gained



so you see you can say it is another "breed" of penguin,but with less
genes,not more.




as for chimps and humans being "alike",you can say that all you want but the fact remains that there is no connection,I my not be able to prove this but you can not prove otherwise.

 

[Rick W]

Re: def

Let me ask you , do you believe a supernatural being could impregnate a human?

Of course not. The idea that God himself had physical relations with Mary is not of christianity. The LDS church teaches that God did this and that's the same line you are pursuing.
No, God did not have natural "relations" with Mary. If God could create the universe, if Jesus could feed the multitudes by creation, twice, then I see no reason why Mary could not have been "impregnated" by creation also. If God can create the entire universe how could it be impossible for Him to create a fertilized egg within the womb of Mary?

 

[Rick W]

Re: def

Hey Rez,
I'm just curious.

Do you believe in abiogenesis or panspermia?

I don't" believe" in either one.

Then what do you believe? The deist belief of ID perhaps?

 

[Quadeshet]

There is a major difference between belief and knowledge.

 

[Quid]

just diffrent then how you where tuaght



ok heres an example of how it works



two dogs get "marryied" and have kids

the parents gene code is(simplified)


male:aB Ab aB female:Ab aB Ab


on pup has long hair his gene code is:

pup 1:AB AB AB


now..what do you think he will produce?

long haired pups.


as you can see,genes are lost rather then gained



so you see you can say it is another "breed" of penguin,but with less
genes,not more.

You seem to think random genetic mutation, which would create new DNA, does not exist.

 

[Vanaka]

just diffrent then how you where tuaght



ok heres an example of how it works



two dogs get "marryied" and have kids

the parents gene code is(simplified)


male:aB Ab aB female:Ab aB Ab


on pup has long hair his gene code is:

pup 1:AB AB AB


now..what do you think he will produce?

long haired pups.


as you can see,genes are lost rather then gained



so you see you can say it is another "breed" of penguin,but with less
genes,not more.

You seem to think random genetic mutation, which would create new DNA, does not exist.

I dont deny that mutations happen,how do you think viruses and stuff become immune to our medicene?

but mutation or not we still lose genes,allow me to use why family members are not alowed or suggusted to marry eachother:


for instance

one of your nose genes mutated,(and your relative you're marrying is likly to have that mutation as well)

so you marry your relitive,and you have a child,now,those to mutated genes come together and enforce each other,your child has a deformed nose....(he's still human BTW)

now if you marry someone outside of your family

they will probably have a good gene

that will probably stop the mutation overall and all your child will have is a crooked nose.

you see mutation does not make better,

another example would be:

they put some fruit flys under radiation causeing mutations in their reproduction,some of the things that will happen will be:

fruit flys with crumpled wings,
fruit flys with no wings,
and ect,

notice the fruit flys did not get better,and are still fruit flys

another thing to note is that mutation is not creation of new genes,but rather the corruption of old ones.

and if you know what corruption means you know(or atleast I hope so)
that is not a good thing.

 

[Heidi]

The breakup of giant icebergs may have forced minor evolutionary changes in penguins over the past 6,000 years, a new study suggests.

The Antarctic iceberg chunks, which break off the continent now and then, are thought to have blocked the swim paths of Adelie penguins returning home to their colonies. Some of the penguins were forced to become immigrants in other colonies, where they established new homes and interbred with the locals.

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/ ... n_evo.html

And have the offspring of penguins become so different as to be given a new name like the offspring of apes were given the name; "homo sapiens"? As you can see, apes are still around today and haven't changed enough to be called human beings.