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My Girlfriend doubts my faith

Jim Smith

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Hello,

I have recently met the most wonderful woman whom I am deeply in love with; however, she doubts that I am truly saved, and is repeatedly "testing" me, and pushing me away whenever she feels that we are becoming too dependent upon each other instead of God.

She is from a much more rigorous and formal Christian upbringing than myself. She quotes scripture in almost everything she does, and the depth of her knowledge and faith is breathtaking.

I was brought up in a Christian household and have had a personal relationship with God and Jesus since I was a young boy. I am also a scientist. I lead a team professional software developers, some of whom have doctorates from top universities. The staple of my professional life is based upon logic, best practice and rigorous methodical thinking.

This is not to say that the two things are in any way at odds, but over the past few years I have failed to seek Christ, and I have leant upon my scientific knowledge rather than my faith. And it has withered somewhat as a consequence. It is still there, and it is still alive, but it is nothing like the all-encompassing faith that my Girlfriend possesses.

Another thing that further complicates the situation is this: discipline comes easily to me, yet, despite her unshakable faith and incredible biblical knowledge, it does not come easily to her. Despite the fact that she is the most incredibly beautiful woman I have ever know (she literally looks like a model), I am the one that must draw the line at kisses and hugs in our physical relationship.

Now, please don't misunderstand me: I am the first to acknowledge that it is not through good works that we come to God, but through His grace. And if I examine myself closely, perhaps it is a calculated decision that I choose to draw the line. I would have her as my wife, and I believe she would never choose me as her husband if I could not demonstrate this control. One thing I am good at, and I thank God for this, is planning for the future and delaying gratification.

However, this discrepancy makes it that much more frustrating when she pushes me away (I don't mean physically) and says that she doubts our relationship because of my immaturity as a Christian. For example, the day after a wonderful evening together in which we both enjoyed each others company greatly and confessed our love for each other, she was burdened by guilt and worry that we were putting our love for each other above God. And this stemmed from some comment I had made about doubting her literal interpretation of the Old Testament.

But then, maybe she is absolutely justified. I had turned my back on God over the past few years, and it is something that I am deeply sad and sorry about. Since meeting her, I have been drawn so much closer to God. I have done everything to seek him, and I worship God for the gift of meeting her.

Yet even so, I am prone to self examination. Hypocrisy is something that I detest, and yet I have seen it in myself many times. Are my reasons for seeking God ulterior? Am I doing it as a means to win the affection of a breathtakingly beautiful woman?

I have already resolved to continue to seek God, whatever happens between us. But even this could be ulterior - the calculating part of my brain may have made this choice so that if I find myself in a similar situation in the future, I am not judged to be lacking.

The other day she accused me of staring at other woman as we walked around town, something that I vehemently defended as it was simply false. It caused me to seriously doubt her, as I'm not sure what chance I have in a relationship when, not only am I being judged for my known deficiencies, I am also being accused of things that I am innocent of.

I have of course forgiven her, and I do understand her need to "test" me. She has her priorities right: she is looking for someone who puts God first, and that is not something I have been doing over the past few years. However, I do also believe that some of her guilt and insecurities are unjustified.

We resolved not to communicate at all for a few days and to seek Gods advice. That is what I am doing here.

God Bless,

J.
 
Dear Jim, welcome to CF.net and it's good to have you join us. The common denominator in our Christian walk is faith in Christ, but all such as you stated have not walked the walk as the cliché goes. This is discernable to a Christian more grounded in the word, and the woman you love is searching for truth to be manifest in you.

Well, just how do you do this? First of all you said "Her knowledge and faith is breathtaking." 2 Peter 3:18 tells us to "Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

With faith and knowledge comes joy and peace not dependent upon good happenings and is a part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance:

Jim, when she sees these gifts developed or seen in you, there will be no need of further proving needed. Matthew 7:20 says it this way: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

I do not know her thoughts on this, but I have a dear brother in Christ that gives marriage counseling who advises against ever uniting with someone you've evangelized due to the very thing you said about her looks. "She is the most incredibly beautiful woman I have ever known (she literally looks like a model)." She may fear your renewed interest in Christ as simply being the result of her, and many times that does not last a lifetime.

I'll leave you with this following thought in a portion of a poem by C.T. Studd: Only one life, 'twill soon be past, Only what's done for Christ will last.

First seek the kingdom of God and other things will be added. Blessings in Christ Jesus. :wave
 
Greetings Jim! :wave

Welcome to ChristianForums.net

You've just rec'd a reply that is probably one of the best and well considered, balanced replies I could imagine. May I also add a warm welcome (because I can think of nothing better) and invite you to explore your new forum, interact with some of the 'denizens' here and mostly? Sit and relax and be at peace here, as you are able, while sharing with the world your witness and testimony and also just some of the stuff that happens in the lives of Christians.

What's that you say? Me? Oh, okay.

I'm a grandpa aged, full time student and part of the Staff here. So is Eugene (the one who gave the good reply) and you are very welcome to send a PM (private message) to any of the Staff with questions, concerns or just to say "Hi".

Cordially,
Sparrow
 
Hey Jim you sound quite concerned so I relent and give you the direction you need to seek and find answers. GOD and his son JESUS. Pray for guidance and help to find the true path you were meant for. This includes relationships and of course the most important one is with the heavenly father through his son JESUS CHRIST. It sounds like she is making that appropriation and I would seek in prayer an answer to that principle.

Do not overlook other influences that might be beyond your scientific mind......if lord JESUS tells us there are things like demons; then there are demons. This is just one of many possibilities, but I would seek to discern the truth if friction is an issue. It could be that she was meant for other things as well as you.


Ask and it will be given to you;<sup class="crossreference" value='(B)'></sup>
seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to
you.

....and remember that If it doesn't workout which I hope it does if it is GOD's will; give that exceeding love to GOD and JESUS, as I am sure they will accept it.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
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One other thing Jim I would like to share and state is that All we need is what GOD the heavenly father has given us. If you use logic to deduce this you will understand right from wrong.....and something about righteousness.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>
 
Hello,

I have recently met the most wonderful woman whom I am deeply in love with; however, she doubts that I am truly saved, and is repeatedly "testing" me, and pushing me away whenever she feels that we are becoming too dependent upon each other instead of God.

She is from a much more rigorous and formal Christian upbringing than myself. She quotes scripture in almost everything she does, and the depth of her knowledge and faith is breathtaking.

I was brought up in a Christian household and have had a personal relationship with God and Jesus since I was a young boy. I am also a scientist. I lead a team professional software developers, some of whom have doctorates from top universities. The staple of my professional life is based upon logic, best practice and rigorous methodical thinking.

This is not to say that the two things are in any way at odds, but over the past few years I have failed to seek Christ, and I have leant upon my scientific knowledge rather than my faith. And it has withered somewhat as a consequence. It is still there, and it is still alive, but it is nothing like the all-encompassing faith that my Girlfriend possesses.

Another thing that further complicates the situation is this: discipline comes easily to me, yet, despite her unshakable faith and incredible biblical knowledge, it does not come easily to her. Despite the fact that she is the most incredibly beautiful woman I have ever know (she literally looks like a model), I am the one that must draw the line at kisses and hugs in our physical relationship.

Now, please don't misunderstand me: I am the first to acknowledge that it is not through good works that we come to God, but through His grace. And if I examine myself closely, perhaps it is a calculated decision that I choose to draw the line. I would have her as my wife, and I believe she would never choose me as her husband if I could not demonstrate this control. One thing I am good at, and I thank God for this, is planning for the future and delaying gratification.

However, this discrepancy makes it that much more frustrating when she pushes me away (I don't mean physically) and says that she doubts our relationship because of my immaturity as a Christian. For example, the day after a wonderful evening together in which we both enjoyed each others company greatly and confessed our love for each other, she was burdened by guilt and worry that we were putting our love for each other above God. And this stemmed from some comment I had made about doubting her literal interpretation of the Old Testament.

But then, maybe she is absolutely justified. I had turned my back on God over the past few years, and it is something that I am deeply sad and sorry about. Since meeting her, I have been drawn so much closer to God. I have done everything to seek him, and I worship God for the gift of meeting her.

Yet even so, I am prone to self examination. Hypocrisy is something that I detest, and yet I have seen it in myself many times. Are my reasons for seeking God ulterior? Am I doing it as a means to win the affection of a breathtakingly beautiful woman?

I have already resolved to continue to seek God, whatever happens between us. But even this could be ulterior - the calculating part of my brain may have made this choice so that if I find myself in a similar situation in the future, I am not judged to be lacking.

The other day she accused me of staring at other woman as we walked around town, something that I vehemently defended as it was simply false. It caused me to seriously doubt her, as I'm not sure what chance I have in a relationship when, not only am I being judged for my known deficiencies, I am also being accused of things that I am innocent of.

I have of course forgiven her, and I do understand her need to "test" me. She has her priorities right: she is looking for someone who puts God first, and that is not something I have been doing over the past few years. However, I do also believe that some of her guilt and insecurities are unjustified.

We resolved not to communicate at all for a few days and to seek Gods advice. That is what I am doing here.

God Bless,

J.

Hi Jim.

Great to see you here.

Reading the Bible together and praying is a foundation for a good friendship.

Just an observation: if your current friendship didn't work out, what would your reaction be if a year from now you happened to meet another Christian lady, e.g., in even higher stilettos, extra earrings, classy clothes, intriguing perfume, etc etc; would you be struck by her even more forcibly? I think that all relationships need to be based on inward and spiritual sense of commonality, rather than what is seen outwardly; I'm not sure that your description of your current friendship would yet come into this category.

I hope it does work out for you, though.

Blessings.
 
Jim, you need to understand that the combination of thinking carnally (scientist) and spiritual (Faithful) is giving you confusion. You will need to give up your carnal thinking to grow closer with Christ.

I agree that I need to grow closer with Christ, but I do not believe that it mutually excludes my scientific thinking. I would be little use to God if I gave that up.

Perhaps your eyes were not on other women, true, but I believe that she can see into your heart and see that other women are on your mind, you admitted the same, so in this, it would not be falsely.

If you think that I "admitted the same" then you misunderstood me. I looked at no other women and thought of no other women. I am happy to confess my many shortcomings, but I don't take kindly to being falsely accused, particularly if it is in a warped manner such as this.

Perhaps your thinking was this: "How could you have looked at no other women without consciously thinking to avoid it? Therefore you must have been thinking of other woman." Well actually, I did neither. To look at something is to direct one's gaze with the intention of seeing. I was not consciously avoiding my gaze falling upon other women, nor was I looking at other women, though certainly my gaze may have fallen upon multiple women at some point. However, thanks to this false accusation, our next meeting in public is going to likely involve me very consciously attempting to avoid even letting my gaze anywhere near another female, which will mean rather a lot of time spent thinking about other women. I am not happy about this.

Just an observation: if your current friendship didn't work out, what would your reaction be if a year from now you happened to meet another Christian lady, e.g., in even higher stilettos, extra earrings, classy clothes, intriguing perfume, etc etc; would you be struck by her even more forcibly? I think that all relationships need to be based on inward and spiritual sense of commonality, rather than what is seen outwardly; I'm not sure that your description of your current friendship would yet come into this category.

Again, you misunderstand me. My mention of her beauty was in the context of my restraint. It is by no means the basis for my attraction to her (though I absolutely confess that it does play a part), nor was I any way "forcibly struck" by her beauty or nature, but rather it was choice by both of us to pursue a potential relationship. I am not a naturally warm person, and any choice to pursue a woman is one I take great care over. Hence this thread.

Anyway, my tendency to get overly defensive in forums is another of my known weaknesses, so I apologise for this, and I will pray to God that I become more meek and humble.
 
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However, thanks to this false accusation, our next meeting in public is going to likely involve me very consciously attempting to avoid even letting my gaze anywhere near another female, which will mean rather a lot of time spent thinking about other women. I am not happy about this.

No. Jim. Do not do this. Abandon that effort. The "observation" was given as a possible insight into what she (your lady friend) may have been thinking. The bible clearly speaks and directs us in how we are to work with our eyes so as to avoid sin. The lesson in the book of Job is what will guide well here:

Job 31
New King James Version (NKJV)
Covenant With My Eyes

Job 31:1 “I have made a covenant with my eyes;
Why then should I look upon a young woman?

2 For what is the allotment of God from above,
And the inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

3 Is it not destruction for the wicked,
And disaster for the workers of iniquity?

4 Does He not see my ways,
And count all my steps?
5 “If I have walked with falsehood,
Or if my foot has hastened to deceit,
6 Let me be weighed on honest scales,
That God may know my integrity.​
7 If my step has turned from the way,
Or my heart walked after my eyes,
Or if any spot adheres to my hands,

8 Then let me sow, and another eat;
Yes, let my harvest be rooted out.​
9 “If my heart has been enticed by a woman,
Or if I have lurked at my neighbor’s door,

10 Then let my wife grind for another,
And let others bow down over her.​
11 For that would be wickedness;
Yes, it would be iniquity deserving of judgment.
12 For that would be a fire that consumes to destruction,
And would root out all my increase.​

Our God is The God of Hearts. Your Heart. Mine. Hers. Our God is Just and knows upright acts and also values them.

Anyway, my tendency to get overly defensive in forums is another of my known weaknesses, so I apologize for this, and I will pray to God that I become more meek and humble.

Thank you for that. We see that you do not intend any sting in your words and take that into account here too.

From a 'bird' that learns to love,
Sparrow
 
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I have recently met the most wonderful woman whom I am deeply in love with

Hi Jim, I am a woman and there are a couple of things I'd like to say. All of the guys have given you Godly advise and I can't add to that but....

Recently met and deeply in love just doesn't usually happen. We have to really know someone to be deeply in love with them. We are in love with what we know about them but there may be much more we don't know. So I don't know what "recently" means to you but take your time. If she cares about you and the Lord is in it, it will be.

It bothered me that she would accuse you of looking at another woman, unless you were obvious about it, which you say you weren't doing or even thinking. You say she is an amazing beautiful woman so she should not be insecure about that. But I think she is insecure about something and she may be frightened, too. To do what you do as a professional you must have of high intelligence and believe it or not that can be intimidating to us, only somewhat above average intelligence people. More importantly, a Christian woman does not want a man who might defer to his own logic rather than God's wisdom.

So my advise to you for what it is worth coming from a woman is take a step back in your thinking. Slow down. Give her time to sort things out and for you to really get to know each other if it has truly been "recently met".
 
it doesn't matter if you seem perfect for eachother, building a romantic relationship on just a romantic relationship is a big gamble if you're not allowed to ditch each other after marriage or parting on good terms is not an option. a good foundation for a romantic relationship is a good friendship. get to know her, become friends and if you still feel that she is so high and you're so low then there is something wrong. how do you even really quantify closeness to god? if you have jesus in your heart, you do. besides if you're christians, shouldn't YOU as a MAN be the one making her feel sorry and guilty and not the other way around?

im sure there are bible verses to back up all i said but i don't feel like finding them.
 
Hey Jim:

Welcome here.

I'll make it simple. Assuming what you are saying is all true, there's 3 things to say about this:

1) Face it, physical attraction is a component, as most guys would not take this from an ugly girl. but.... that's normal
2) You need time alone to work things out with God. If you are serious, this takes time and I commend you on that sincerity to want to seek out God and follow him.
3) Given that #2 is true, I can see that she is totally unwilling for you to do this, wants things on her terms, and wants to control what you do in this regard. That's not only obnoxious and controlling but downright unscriptural the things she's telling you. Frankly, I'd dump her.
 
Whether or not you were really looking at other women is not the point. That's what she perceives, so in her mind you really were doing that. What's important here is her reaction to you looking at other women. That's the issue. She is communicating to you that you do not meet her need for attention and exclusiveness. If you did she would not be afraid of losing your attention to someone else. IMO, chances are you never will meet that need, because it's not happening naturally and you'll have to remind yourself to make sure you do that for her. I see that as probably being a very difficult burden for you to carry, and you will resent it and be unhappy.

Also, I'm of the opinion that a spouse who demands spiritual maturity and dedication probably wants insurance that their spouse is not going to hurt them someday. Because, after all, dedicated, mature, devout Christians don't do that, lol. Add that to her reaction to you looking at other women (remember, in her mind you really were) and I think you can see the picture developing here. Her concern about your spirituality is a veiled fear of being injured by you one day.

Take it for what it's worth. You have to decide if this is a burden you can carry.

What programming language(s) do you use?
 
.... The staple of my professional life is based upon logic, best practice and rigorous methodical thinking....


Hello, and welcome to the forums! I think I would have a lot in common with you just based on that sentence. I would like to encourage you that faith and logic are very compatabile and hope this will help strenghten your faith. Since you develop software I'm sure you can appreciate this quote ""DNA is like a software program, only much more complex than anything we've ever devised." -Bill Gates. Check out this site http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/ It points out all the similarities between DNA and computer code, which brought me a new appreciation of the verse "we are wonderfully and fearfully made". I know you aren't an atheist but I would recommend reading "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" by Norman Geisler. He uses logic and rigorous methodical thinking to make a strong case for faith. It really helped me when I struggled resolving faith and logic. Lee Strobel's "The case for faith" is another good one as well as Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.
 
Run from this Woman or you will spend the rest of your life trying to pass her "test" that unlike her looks will never end....people who are constantly testing others are manipulative and controlling.
 
Hi Jim,
Firstly let me just say , that this forum has a lot of wonderful people, may God bless them, and I can only hope you will feel better after listening to all of them. They really helped me.
Concerning the situation , I have to agree with [MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION] on some aspects. I would only react like this in the past, when I was insecure, I have been always cheated so therefore the fear. I also gave a lot of importance on how I look, (not saying that you gf does), but when I cam back to the right path, I didn't care anymore. Jesus loves me the way I am. Also I apologize to all here that are a lot more advanced than me, I am just speaking from the heart. God made the man and the woman so that the man won't be alone and more that God can live in harmony with them. I don't think God would be upset if you guys love each other. You just have to find that harmony I guess, that we lost with the original sin. The only thing you can do is to pray to God, from all your heart to give you what is best for both of you. I will pray for you too to find peace.
 
Run from this Woman or you will spend the rest of your life trying to pass her "test" that unlike her looks will never end....people who are constantly testing others are manipulative and controlling.


:thumbsup

The most sensible reply in the thread.
 
people who are constantly testing others are manipulative and controlling.

I sorely misrepresented her in my original post, partly because I was distraught at the time. I am now ashamed of creating this thread. Even though it was genuinely to seek advice, and it is something I have done anonymously, it is the only thing I have done "behind her back". I hope she does not find this thread because, even though she would understand, I think it would be hurtful to her. Is there any way I can request that this thread be deleted?

Anyway, I would like to say that God has answered my prayers. She has turned out to be an even more wonderful woman than I had hoped. All her reasons for testing me were understandable; she had been hurt in the past, and we had only just met so she was scared. She has apologised, and we both trust each other now.

I never imagined what a joyful, peaceful and yet wonderfully exciting thing it is to be in a relationship with God at its centre. I have come to realise that all my discipline is worth nought because it was driven by pride, not by a love for God. I am so thankful for the change that God is working in me through her.

I am so glad that I trusted in God and in her in this and not in my doubts. Yes, I am completely smitten, but she is showing me how to put God first, and without God I could not cope in this relationship - I would be driven mad by insecurity and doubt. Thanks to God I feel more peaceful and joyful than I can remember.
 
Thanks to God I feel more peaceful and joyful than I can remember.


I am very happy for you. Communication and truth are always the best road to take in relationships, especially in our relationship with Jesus.

Blessings to You Both
 
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