[_ Old Earth _] No absolutes ?

[Eve777]

An atheist friend once told me there were no absolutes when I told him I absolutely believed in God and the creation....

I think I stopped him cold when I ask "Are you absolutely sure about that?" :D

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Absolutely not.

 

[Eve777]

Jesus says, in John 17:17:

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Jesus is telling us that the Word of God is Truth. The pagans teach that there is no absolute truth, but that we each "create our own reality". But the Bible teaches that there is an absolute standard of Truth: God's Word.

 

[Brimshack]

It certainly isn't true that Pagans in general teach that there is no absolute truth or that we teach that people create their own. But your own assertion that the Bible is absolutely true is as circular as your fiend's assertions were contradictory. Groundless assertions do not make for a very healthy form of absolutism.

 

[Blue-Lightning]

Humanists are usually the relativists that you are referring to, not pagans.

BL

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

I would point out that humanists include many nonrelativists, including myself.

 

[Blue-Lightning]

As is sometimes the case,

BL

 

[Barbarian]

There are many Christian humanists as well. Indeed, for hundreds of years, the only humanists were Christians.

 

[Brimshack]

I took the specific use of "pagans" in that sentence to mean non-believers, but the notiojn that either group are generally relativists has little to do with anything but the logic of gossip.

 

[JohnR7]

I think I stopped him cold when I ask "Are you absolutely sure about that?" :D

They usually find a way to worm their way out of that one also.

 

[Sylvester Haze]

Pointing out absolute certainty is an impossibility, and a red herring to boot, is hardly "worming out of" a question, JohnR7. In any other field, "certainty beyond a shadow of a doubt," or at least beyond a reasonable doubt, is quite sufficient. Thus we are "certain" that the earth is round without absolutely knowing, for example, we're not just stuck in the Matrix on a planet that's actually flat.