Out of curiosity--what is your opinion on this preacher?

[evenifigoalone]

Dr. Phil Kidd-- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Phil-Kidd/39843727181?fref=ts

There are some of his sermons available online.
My mom likes him. I haven't heard much from him, but from what I have heard, not sure what to think.
I tend to have different opinions on churches and preaching and what should be preached on than my mom does. She asked me if I'd be interesting in going to hear him if we ever got the chance--I said not really. Her response was, "I guess you just don't want to feel convicted."
:dunno

 

[farouk]

[MENTION=89910]questdriven[/MENTION]:

I hadn't heard of him, sorry.

So is he known as a television evangelist? or maybe he doesn't use that term.

Anyway, do you already have specific impressions of his ministry? or are you simply surmising that if your mom like it, you yourself would be unlikely to, as well?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I've heard parts of his sermons because my mom's listening to them. From what I heard, not my cup of tea. Seems similar to my old pastor, but with less harping on the same subjects sermon after sermon. Whether he preaches the kind of legalism my old pastor did I'm not entirely sure, but it kinda sounds like he does.

He's a fundamentalist, I'm pretty sure. Speaks at camp meetings and stuff.

 

[Obadiah]

I've heard a little of his preaching, enough to know he is quite an extreme fundamentalist and legalist. I think he represents all the reasons you have written about here in this forum for your decision to leave your church for a different one, so I can't imagine what benefit there would be in going to see him with your mom other than creating an opportunity for discord. There is a huge difference between "...you just don't want to feel convicted" and "rightly dividing the word of truth". And don't forget that the same verse that says to "rightly divide" (rightly understand) God's word (2 Tim 2:15) also says that you don't need to be ashamed for doing so!

 

[evenifigoalone]

That's what I thought was the case.
And hey, if my mom likes that, good for her. My brother even likes this guy. Good for him.
Me, I'll keep my distance. Why listen to sermons about what everyone else is doing wrong? I prefer sermons that help me learn, and that help me edify myself.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I actually think even these kind of preachers serve a purpose, even if they aren't ideal. If nothing else, it's definitely better than some of those pastors who say whatever people want them to and in the process skip out on preaching the gospel.

This guy actually talks to people on the street, doing drugs, etc, and that's good. Apparently one of my friends from my old church actually got saved at one of his sermons. So I don't consider myself against him or anything, and preachers like him in general. I think God can and probably does use him, even if I don't agree with a lot of what he says. He does seem to get results, and there are people who like his sermons.

But I do think legalism is bad thing, especially if you concentrate on that more than anything else. (I mean, ranting about torn jeans as an example of America going downhill-really?!) It's fine to think rock music and the like is wrong, but don't make it to be a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
And I do dislike it when people talk against preachers who don't preach like him. IDK...look at the fruit. There are a wide variety of preachers, and the variety helps them reach different types of people. People get saved under fundamental preachers, and people get saved under more evangelical-based preachers. That they have different approaches and opinions on some trivial issues doesn't make one or the other totally bad, even if they are wrong on some of those issues.

 

[handy]

I found one on line article that is attributed to him here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/shut_up.htm

While I agreed with some of what he had to say, I didn't care for his tone... speaking truth is one thing...speaking truth in love (which we are all called to do) is another.

I'm also pretty sure that Priscilla expounded the Scriptures to Apollos... I do agree with him insofar as believing that women shouldn't be the pastors of the church, but I'm a little leery of someone who thinks a woman should never open the bible and expound.

Mainly though it's his tone. Frankly, there is a bit of difference between the Apostle Paul teaching "Let your women be silent" and Dr. Phil Kidd saying "Hey Lady, Shut UP!" Love is not arrogant or rude (1 Corinthians 13:4) and he comes off as both.

But, that's just an opinion formed on one reading of one sermon. Perhaps there is a thread of genuine humor that those who listen to him regularly would be able to recognize that would mitigate the seeming rudeness....

 

[evenifigoalone]

I found one on line article that is attributed to him here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/shut_up.htm

While I agreed with some of what he had to say, I didn't care for his tone... speaking truth is one thing...speaking truth in love (which we are all called to do) is another.

I'm also pretty sure that Priscilla expounded the Scriptures to Apollos... I do agree with him insofar as believing that women shouldn't be the pastors of the church, but I'm a little leery of someone who thinks a woman should never open the bible and expound.

Mainly though it's his tone. Frankly, there is a bit of difference between the Apostle Paul teaching "Let your women be silent" and Dr. Phil Kidd saying "Hey Lady, Shut UP!" Love is not arrogant or rude (1 Corinthians 13:4) and he comes off as both.

But, that's just an opinion formed on one reading of one sermon. Perhaps there is a thread of genuine humor that those who listen to him regularly would be able to recognize that would mitigate the seeming rudeness....

Oh, jesus-is-savior.com...ick. That site looks great on the surface, but is full of it. The guy who runs it was charged for statuary rape, despite railing against it on his site. If that site is endorsing this guy, I'm kinda inclined to run the other direction...

Anyways, yeah, about Dr. Phil Kidd, I do see what you are saying. That's one aspect of his preaching that really doesn't appeal to me. It was pretty off-putting in the first place.

 

[Obadiah]

Yeah, did you notice he claims the reason we have homosexuals in our society is because some churches have allowed women to teach classes that have men and/or boys attending them? Scripture teaches a lot about moderation in many things and I think this should be applied to preaching as well. Preaching with different styles for different people is fine, but when a preacher's style is so extreme that he is saying things that are just plain wrong, well, that's just wrong no matter how you look at it.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Yeah, not fond of such broad and unfair accusations. He does seem to have a lot of those.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Hearing more of his sermons (my mom has been listening to them), I'm definitely not a fan. I'm not against him, per se, but a lot of what he says really rubs me the wrong way. It's one thing to be against something--you have to stand for something. But it's another to speak of a certain group of people as if they are the devil incarnate, and that you'll leave a restaurant if it looks like one of those people are there, and that they should be put to death instead of ministered to. The last part he didn't say directly, but I'm pretty sure he did say they should be put to death, as well as calling them a bunch of very un-loving names. On that subject, he's only giving more ammo to those who say that Christians are hateful.

 

[Obadiah]

Have you noticed there seems to be certain ideas that always go together in certain people, even if they aren't necessarily related ideas? I've noticed a lot of times I can hear a preacher teach one or two extreme or unbiblical principles and sure enough, if I listen long enough, there is a predictable set of other extreme or unbiblical principles that they hold to as well. I think most of them get indoctrinated in the same places and just teach these things because this is just they way they've always heard it, and they never really stop to look at the principles from another persons point of view to see if they might be in error somewhere. They just go on through life teaching the same old things to the same old like minded people who keep telling them how great they are. Anyone who disagrees with them gets cast out like a demon under the misguided notion of "being separated from the world"!

 

[evenifigoalone]

Yeah, seems like it. He's against interracial marriage, too, I think. That does appear to go with the territory, to some degree or another. From what I've seen, anyway. I grew up in a family that had much of the same opinions for a while. Some of those things changed a little over the years, for us.

 

[Obadiah]

Yeah, I didn't listen to much of his stuff, but for Kidd, that would be one of the typical ideas (against interracial marriage) that go with what I've heard of his other ideas. Not saying all the ideas are necessarily bad or extreme, just that they always seem to go together as a set. Sometimes they will be quiet on some that they are afraid are too controversial and these days one of those would be racism. But if you get close to these people where you get to hear what they discuss in private, you find out they do have the views but just don't talk about them publicly. It's not just fundamentalists either. It seems so many preachers and teachers from many different view points always seem to subscribe to one set of ideas or another, and they get pretty predictable after a while. It's a nice refreshing experience to find a teacher that has an open mind to what scripture actually says without always filtering it through these idea sets.