Parables Are For The Still Ignorant, Huh?

[Elijah674]

-----------=--PARABLES OR NON/PARABLES?-- LUKE 16----------------
(part one)

First we need to ask ourselves, do we 'believe' Christ's Word? Really?? Case in point:'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS'. (all ten of them!!) If not?? Then what change can come from any 'presumptous' study?

So when these Words of Christ are given, ask yourself which class are you in??
John states that.. 'He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.' So do we 'Believe Him', REALLY?

We call the Bible the Word of God and rightly so, mostly because of John 1:14! But do we believe the Word of God?
Perhaps some might best question their 'supposed belief & knowledge' by the Word of God by itself? Instead of leaning upon the 'arm of flesh' that have mans reams & reams of educated PhD'ism stuff, that none seem to agree on except perhaps the two great errors that the Word of God cautions against? That of the 'd'evils first lie.. 'Ye shall not surely die' and also a day set aside by man, (see Mark 7:7) for a 'professed' sacred use! sun keeping, which is attempted to replace the 'Day that God set aside for Holy use'. (see Gen. 2:1-3)

OK: Lets just test our individual 'belief'?

-Parables- (hold on a mite now, ok? We will get to the Luke 16 'parable' of the 'rich man & Lazarus momentarily!)

Christ's Words:
'All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake He [not unto them.]That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; ... Then Jesus sent the [multitude away], and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, [Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.]'

OK. We.. 'some' can see so far that one group had an explanation from Christ, while the other lost so far multitude, did not. Do you believe this so far??

Now: In Mark 4:10-11 we see.. 'And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him asked the parable. And He said unto them, [unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:
(a short pause please? with all of these denominations teaching otherwise, can this statement of Christ's Word be documented?)
but unto [them] that are [without] all these things are done in parables.'
(Now then, are you still believers?? Rom. 8:14???)

Again: Mark 4:33-34. 'And with many [such] parables spake He the Word unto them, (who is them, Pharisees & Multitude) as they were able to hear it.
(pay apt attention please!) But [[without]] a parable [[spake He not unto them]]: (do you believe Him??) and when they [were alone, He EXPOUNDED ALL THINGS TO HIS DISCIPLES].' Again, do you believe the Word of God??

(Part two will follow)

 

[Elijah674]

(part two)

Again: Luke 8:10 says.. 'And He said, [Unto you] it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: (break time again! THINK!!) but to others in parables; (notice?!) that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.'
(This parable might be a good study for some here, huh? + many of the Rev. 17:5 professed MINISTERS & Jer. 17:5 Arm of Flesh seekers!! **See verses 11-15 of Luke 8)

Why did the Lord use Parables?? These Parables my friends will bring real questions to a sincere seeker!

'And His disciples came, and said unto Him, [Why speaketh thou in parables?] He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto [you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them, it is not given.] ... For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; least at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.' Matt. 13:10-15 in part.

Surely we of Heb. 6 can readily see what Christ has told [us] so far, right? We started out with Matt. 13:34 with Christ defining whom Parables were for, & that 'without' a parable He spake not unto them. THESE MULTITUDE included all unbelievers! (And the disciples were not these!)

In Luke 16 the only question that needs to be addressed, is to whom was Christ addressing? The Disciples or the Multitude?
Remember that it is impossible for God to lie! Do you 'believe Him' that is the question for [anyone] to answer to find out which group that you are in, a disciple, or just one of the 'Multitude'??

We often 'falsely' hear of Luke 16's rich man and Lazarus being an 'actual' stated Truth, instead of a Parable! Even 'most' of you ones who read this Truth Today From Christ Own Words would NOT toss out your past satanic garbage, but just do as did Cain when he came to verbal 'WORD TO WORD' with Christ! Gen. 4:7

And Verse 14 (ibid) is almost always left out of your today's sermons? Notice what it says in closing!

'And the Pharisees also, who were covetous,[heard all these things: ] and [they derided Him].' And this was the setting for this Luke 16 Parable! Christ was addressing the blind multitude! And again in the next Words, we see who Christ was addressing, His disciples! (chapter 17:1. And remember that the chapters numbers and the verse numbers etc., were added by man)


---Elijah

 

[Eventide]

a day set aside by man, (see Mark 7:7) for a 'professed' sacred use! sun keeping, which is attempted to replace the 'Day that God set aside for Holy use'.

Last time I checked.. Saturday was still the last day of the week and Sunday is the first day of the week.. and Christians assemble on the first day of the week, as the LORD has preeminence in all things..

Amazing how some folks get so hung up over Saturday..

 

[Theofilus]

Last time I checked.. Saturday was still the last day of the week and Sunday is the first day of the week.. and Christians assemble on the first day of the week, as the LORD has preeminence in all things..

Amazing how some folks get so hung up over Saturday..

Yep. It's amazing how some people get hung up over what God's Word says, instead of blindly following church traditions.

 

[Eventide]

Yep. It's amazing how some people get hung up over what God's Word says, instead of blindly following church traditions.

Hey if you guys think that you're holier than thou (because Elijah sure speaks in that tone all the time) for observing the 7th day of the week then so be it.. I have entered into Christ's rest and it has nothing to do with Saturday.. unless of course you're an Israelite living under the Law of Moses..

 

[Theofilus]

Hey if you guys think that you're holier than thou (because Elijah sure speaks in that tone all the time) for observing the 7th day of the week then so be it.. I have entered into Christ's rest and it has nothing to do with Saturday.. unless of course you're an Israelite living under the Law of Moses..

Elijah called people ignorant with the title of this thread. You call those who disagree with you "holier than thou". I didn't insult anybody, but just pointed out that the Bible specifies the seventh day as the Lord's (not Jewish) Sabbath, and that Sunday is a church tradition without any biblical support. So, who's the one that's speaking "in that tone"?

 

[Eventide]

Elijah called people ignorant with the title of this thread. You call those who disagree with you "holier than thou". I didn't insult anybody, but just pointed out that the Bible specifies the seventh day as the Lord's (not Jewish) Sabbath, and that Sunday is a church tradition without any biblical support. So, who's the one that's speaking "in that tone"?

Yeah, Elijah never insults anybody with his holier than thou postings.. lol..

As far as Christians meeting on the first day of the week, that IS completely biblical.. unless you can't read well..

 

[Theofilus]

unless you can't read well..

I see. Your main support for your views consists of insults. Well, let's see how well you read.

So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:46-47 KJV)​

If you can read, you'll see that they were meeting every day. The fact that one particular meeting was on the first day of the week is not enough to invalidate one of the Ten Commandments.

 

[Theofilus]

Yeah, Elijah never insults anybody with his holier than thou postings.. lol..

Oh, by the way, you might want to take a refresher course in reading yourself. What you imply is the exact oposite of what I actually said.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Elijah called people ignorant with the title of this thread.

But did he? I almost thought he was, with his "Huh?" remark, making FUN of the view that Parables are for the ignorant.

But like with any of his posts, it's really not easy to tell what he is saying.

 

[Eventide]

Oh, by the way, you might want to take a refresher course in reading yourself. What you imply is the exact oposite of what I actually said.

And perhaps you should brush up on the biblical aspects of the church of God assmbling on the first day of the week.. unless of course you're an Israelite living uder the Law of Moses.. as mentioned.

 

[Elijah674]

Last time I checked.. Saturday was still the last day of the week and Sunday is the first day of the week.. and Christians assemble on the first day of the week, as the LORD has preeminence in all things..

Amazing how some folks get so hung up over Saturday..

Saturday?? Hung up?? Are you talking about the Godhead being hung up over Their 7Th Day Sabbath, Set Aside & Blessed of Them For Holy Use??

But the 'still ignorant dumb' on parables was the subject.
Hey, nothing personal besides your remark!;) And the last time that I checked you say???

I have been checking most of my adult life & never have even found one verse in all 66 books for even a hint.. 'as the Lord preeminence in all things' as to be sun stuff?
Forum: See Eze. 8:16-17 for the ones that even put the 'branch to their nose'.

--Elijah

 

[Eventide]

Saturday?? Hung up?? Are you talking about the Godhead being hung up over Their 7Th Day Sabbath, Set Aside & Blessed of Them For Holy Use??

But the 'still ignorant dumb' on parables was the subject.
Hey, nothing personal besides your remark!;) And the last time that I checked you say???

I have been checking most of my adult life & never have even found one verse in all 66 books for even a hint.. 'as the Lord preeminence in all things' as to be sun stuff?
Forum: See Eze. 8:16-17 for the ones that even put the 'branch to their nose'.

--Elijah

Well then maybe you're an Israelite living under the Law of Moses... the NT church gathered on the first day of the week to break bread.. they were to willingly take up a collection on the first day of the week to distribute to those in need..

But of course there always needs to be the 'special ones'... the one true church.. the elect.. and of course the sabbath keepers... Maybe you feel a little more holy keeping Saturday... Paul says that's fine.. just don't push it on others as if they're ignorant of the words of Christ.. and you're not..

So special..

 

[Theofilus]

Well then maybe you're an Israelite living under the Law of Moses... the NT church gathered on the first day of the week to break bread..

As they did on the second day of the week, the third day of the week, the fourth day, and every other day of the week, including the Sabbth. For some reason, you have chosed to completely ignore the verse I posted earlir that clearly says that they met daily.

they were to willingly take up a collection on the first day of the week to distribute to those in need..

So? How does the fact that Paul suggested weekly donations as a practical way of collecting money equate to permission to ignore one of the Ten Commandments?

But of course there always needs to be the 'special ones'... the one true church.. the elect.. and of course the sabbath keepers... Maybe you feel a little more holy keeping Saturday... Paul says that's fine.. just don't push it on others as if they're ignorant of the words of Christ.. and you're not..

So special..

I'll let Elija answer for himself, but as for me, I've never implied that people who don't keep the Sabbath on the biblically correct day are, somehow, less Christian than I am. It is you who said that people who thought differently couldn't read or understand God's Word.

You might want to remember the saying that, when you point a finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you.

 

[Eventide]

As they did on the second day of the week, the third day of the week, the fourth day, and every other day of the week, including the Sabbth. For some reason, you have chosed to completely ignore the verse I posted earlir that clearly says that they met daily.

Not at all.. I can understand the church meeting daily.. some assemblies still do meet on various days of the week for various things.. like bible study etc..

So? How does the fact that Paul suggested weekly donations as a practical way of collecting money equate to permission to ignore one of the Ten Commandments?

Cause we're NOT Israelites and we're NOT under the LAW OF MOSES... is that clear enough..?? That doesn't mean that Christians do whatever they wish... it simply means that we're not Israelites under the LAW given to them.. maybe you are an Israelite.. I don't know.. but if Christ is IN YOU then you're justified by FAITH and not by keeping the LAW.

This is perhaps BIBLE 101 unless you can't see a distinction between the Law of Moses and the Grace and Truth which is in Jesus Christ.

 

[Elijah674]

The Eternal Word's of Christ: (and which class are 'we in'??)
It is the ones who believe or do not believe this Truth. Just one of the two class.

Mark 4

[9] And he said unto them, He that hath [ears to hear,] let him hear.
[10] And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.

[11] And he said unto them, Unto [you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:] but unto them [that are without], all these things are done in parables:

[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
...

[33] And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

[34] But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Luke 16:14-15 has it in part: 'And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all of these things: [and they derided Him].' And He said unto them...'

And none today, would do that, huh?

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah called people ignorant with the title of this thread. You call those who disagree with you "holier than thou". I didn't insult anybody, but just pointed out that the Bible specifies the seventh day as the Lord's (not Jewish) Sabbath, and that Sunday is a church tradition without any biblical support. So, who's the one that's speaking "in that tone"?

;) Elijah did what?? People as in no personal individual, huh? Glad that you Do see a QUESTION MARK THERE! Elijah Believes that there are many who will be saved in their ignorance who have lived the best that the Holy Spirit has Rom. 8:14 LED them.

And what more will the Lord hold us responsible for?? Surely there is NO Way that any Born Again person know's what is in the mind of another. (or their baby steps of Heb. 5) Or their MATURITY of Heb. 6:6?? And the John 10:16 & the Rev. 18:4 ones will go from honest ignorance to MATURE OBEDIENCE in time if their Stubborn will, will submit to the Striving's of the Holy Spirit! And only He knows what [ALL[ will do, huh!

Hey, and thanks for not letting me be set up! (and on the bottom of the pile!;))

--Elijah

 

[Theofilus]

Not at all.. I can understand the church meeting daily.. some assemblies still do meet on various days of the week for various things.. like bible study etc..



Cause we're NOT Israelites and we're NOT under the LAW OF MOSES... is that clear enough..?? That doesn't mean that Christians do whatever they wish... it simply means that we're not Israelites under the LAW given to them.. maybe you are an Israelite.. I don't know.. but if Christ is IN YOU then you're justified by FAITH and not by keeping the LAW.

This is perhaps BIBLE 101 unless you can't see a distinction between the Law of Moses and the Grace and Truth which is in Jesus Christ.

Who said anything about being justified by the law? I sure didn't. But if keeping the 10 commandments is being "under the law of Moses", then how about you? Have you murdered anyone lately, or are you still under the law of Moses? Have you commited adultery, or are you under the law of Moses? Have you stolen anything, cursed God or practiced idolotry, or are you still under the law of Moses?

Why can people keep 9 out of the 10 commandments, and that's considered good, but if they add that last one - the Sabbath commandment - then they must be trying to save themselves? Do you think that it's just possible that I, Elija and others might be keeping the Sabbath commandment out of obedience to God's Word, and to to try to earn our salvation?

 

[Eventide]

Who said anything about being justified by the law? I sure didn't. But if keeping the 10 commandments is being "under the law of Moses", then how about you? Have you murdered anyone lately, or are you still under the law of Moses? Have you commited adultery, or are you under the law of Moses? Have you stolen anything, cursed God or practiced idolotry, or are you still under the law of Moses?

I'm not the one starting threads about how people don't keep Saturday and that it was changed to Sunday.. and the Law is summed up in loving thy neighbor as thyself.. so no, I haven't murdered anyone lately.

Why can people keep 9 out of the 10 commandments, and that's considered good, but if they add that last one - the Sabbath commandment - then they must be trying to save themselves? Do you think that it's just possible that I, Elija and others might be keeping the Sabbath commandment out of obedience to God's Word, and to to try to earn our salvation?

Where does the NT instruct the church of God to observe Saturday as a day of rest..?

In addition to that question.. why does the NT warn against those who DO push things like sabbath day..

 

[Theofilus]

I'm not the one starting threads about how people don't keep Saturday and that it was changed to Sunday..

Neither am I.

and the Law is summed up in loving thy neighbor as thyself.. so no, I haven't murdered anyone lately.

Almost, but not quite. That's the second greatest commandment. The greatest commandment is to love God and as the apostle John said:

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. (John 5:3 NKJV)​

Where does the NT instruct the church of God to observe Saturday as a day of rest..?

More importantly, where does it tell us not to? This is a direct commandment from God. It's one of the Ten Commandments. Now, there are two ways of looking at this:

1. All commandments are invalid, except for the ones that are specifically repeated in the New Testament.
2. All commandments are still valid, unsless they are done away with or modified in the New Testament.

If we go by the first option, then we will quickly run into trouble. For example, the commandment against rape is not repeated in the New Testament. We are told in the New Testament to obey civil authorities but, in some countries, women basically have no rights at all, and that includes legal protection against rape. If they get raped, either nothing is done or it's the woman that gets punished. Would it be acceptable behavior for Christians living in those countries to rape women, since they wouldn't be disobeying the authorities or violating any New Testament commandment? I think we both agree on what the answer should be. It's obvious, to me at least, that the first option doesn't work. But, if you do see some way around this issue of no commandment against rape, then how about this commandment that is repeated in the New Testament?

Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. (Acts 15:19-20 ASV)

Eat any rare or medium steaks lately? If you have, then you have violated a commandment that is repeated in the New Testament.

Personally, I think the second option above is much more reasonable. With human laws, nobody can invalidate a law except the one who made it or someone with higher authority than the one who made it. In the US, city councils cannot change state laws, but the US congress can. That's because city councils have less authority than the state legislature, but the US congress has more authority. Who has more authority than God? Nobody I know of. That's why I think it is logical to assume that, unless God has changed them Himself, then His words stand as they were originally spoken, since nobody else has the authority to change them. Therefore, all of the Ten Commandments are still valid, unless you can show some place in the New Testament where it is clearly stated that one of them has been done away with.

In addition to that question.. why does the NT warn against those who DO push things like sabbath day..

Where does it do that? Can you provide a Scripture reference that actually warns against obeying God's commandments?