Politically Correct Practice

[shad]

The military is politically incorrect topic in the CF even though most churches are involved in the military deeply.

researcher's quotes:

What about Israel's military? Is defending a country from antagonists wrong?

What about Israel? Jesus says to "love your enemy". Killing the enemy is sin no matter what. BTW, you are in the US. Doesn't your church support the military? Don't you have soldiers in your church? Do you condone gay practice too?

Matthew 5:43-47 (New International Version)
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Was Jesus talking to individuals, or to the government & military when he said to love your enemies?

Jesus commandments are all for His servants. The governments are of this world. Jesus and His people are not of this world. The government's business is strictly this world's affair and you are involved in politics.
John 17:14
I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

I suppose the fastest way to find God would be to be a soldier in a war. People look for God when they need him most. And if someone's trying to kill you, that probably when you need him most.

Again, Jesus followers are not of this world, Christians should not get involved with politics.

As for gay people, I don't know any. Sodomy is what it says, abomination. Just looking around at the natural world should tell us that, without the Word.

If you condone Christian in the military, you have no business condemning gay practices, either; maybe you don't know any gay practice but how about your church? I know most churches don't condone gay practices.

 

[researcher]

Jesus commandments are all for His servants. The governments are of this world. Jesus and His people are not of this world. The government's business is strictly this world's affair and you are involved in politics.

Actually, what you are doing is putting God into a box and saying that he will not use people in public office. How do you think God feels about having the constraints of our beliefs put on him? :o

 

[shad]

Jesus commandments are all for His servants. The governments are of this world. Jesus and His people are not of this world. The government's business is strictly this world's affair and you are involved in politics.

Actually, what you are doing is putting God into a box and saying that he will not use people in public office. How do you think God feels about having the constraints of our beliefs put on him? :o

Wow :o You sound like you are correcting God!

Jesus' commandments are for His people who are following in Him. We have no business butting into this world affair. "Let the dead bury their own dead", says Jesus.

 

[researcher]

Again, Jesus followers are not of this world, Christians should not get involved with politics.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world.

Should we only light up part of the world, and, not another part? What about all of the people in government? That is a place that needs more light than most.

 

[shad]

Again, Jesus followers are not of this world, Christians should not get involved with politics.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world.

Should we only light up part of the world, and, not another part? What about all of the people in government? That is a place that needs more light than most.

Yes, His followers are light of the world, so you should not kill you enemy!!! When you kill your enemy you are doing the same thing as the world. What does Jesus say about doing the same thing with the world?

 

[researcher]

Jesus commandments are all for His servants. The governments are of this world. Jesus and His people are not of this world. The government's business is strictly this world's affair and you are involved in politics.

Actually, what you are doing is putting God into a box and saying that he will not use people in public office. How do you think God feels about having the constraints of our beliefs put on him? :o

Wow :o You sound like you are correcting God!

Jesus' commandments are for His people who are following in Him. We have no business butting into this world affair. "Let the dead bury their own dead", says Jesus.

No correcting God. Correcting incorrect beliefs. God can raise up leaders for nations and use them as he sees fit. You don't think God had anything to do with America becoming the greatest nation in history, not to mention, the largest exporter of the gospel in the world?

Anglo-Saxon America is supposed to lead the world. We civilize nations, and bring light to those who are crushed under dictatorships. But as with any nation, good and not so good leaders come to power.

Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.


There is parable in that verse most should understand.

 

[shad]

No correcting God. Correcting incorrect beliefs. God can raise up leaders for nations and use them as he sees fit.

God does not break His own laws. He says to "love your enemy", not kill them.

You don't think God had anything to do with America becoming the greatest nation in history, not to mention, the largest exporter of the gospel in the world?

No, God does not play favoritism. He does not want us to be the judge of the world, He says "vengeance is Mine"

Anglo-Saxon America is supposed to lead the world. We civilize nations, and bring light to those who are crushed under dictatorships.

Wow, talk about elitism and racism. God loves humble and oppose the proud.

Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

What this verse have to do with what we are talking about?

 

[researcher]

No correcting God. Correcting incorrect beliefs. God can raise up leaders for nations and use them as he sees fit.

God does not break His own laws. He says to "love your enemy", not kill them.

He was talking to individuals.

You don't think God had anything to do with America becoming the greatest nation in history, not to mention, the largest exporter of the gospel in the world?

No, God does not play favoritism. He does not want us to be the judge of the world, He says "vengeance is Mine"

God uses nations and people to do his will. When was the last time you saw an angel kill 100,000 men at once?

Anglo-Saxon America is supposed to lead the world. We civilize nations, and bring light to those who are crushed under dictatorships.

Wow, talk about elitism and racism. God loves humble and oppose the proud.

No racism. This is just the way it is. It should be evident just by looking at the way God made the world. I didn't say "hate" people, I said Anglo-Saxon America was supposed to rule over the world, not hate them. God made all people "very good." But ruling means crushing sometimes. America is the beacon, founded by people trying to escape religious extremism so they could worship God freely, without the government involved, and, God blessed them, and the country (for the most part, lol). :D

Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

What this verse have to do with what we are talking about?

The verse is a parable. The garden in Eden was people. That's where all of the races have their origin. Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian race, and, he was supposed to look after the garden. And the Jews came from Adam, through Shem.

 

[shad]

He was talking to individuals.

Aren't His followers all individuals? Yes, they are.

God uses nations and people to do his will. When was the last time you saw an angel kill 100,000 men at once?

Angels were sent by God not by government.

No racism. This is just the way it is. It should be evident just by looking at the way God made the world. I didn't say "hate" people, I said Anglo-Saxon America was supposed to rule over the world, not hate them. God made all people "very good." But ruling means crushing sometimes. America is the beacon, founded by people trying to escape religious extremism so they could worship God freely, without the government involved.

You are continually ignoring God's commands and make your own reasonings and judging the world.

The verse is a parable. The garden in Eden was people. That's where all of the races have their origin.

so?

 

[researcher]

The verse is a parable. The garden in Eden was people. That's where all of the races have their origin.

so?

Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian race. And he was supposed to "dress it and keep" the garden, which means to "tend and protect it." Adam was supposed to look after all of the races that God put on earth. He was the overseer if you will.

That is the duty of the Caucasian people. Sometimes they go wrong though. But, for the most part, we are fulfilling our duty today.

 

[shad]

Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian. And he was supposed to "dress it and keep" the garden, which means to "tend and protect it." Adam was supposed to look after all of the races that God put here. He was the overseer if you will.

Adam was the beginning of the human race! Where do you get this kind of racist information? Do you have any verse to back it up? You don't.

 

[researcher]

Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian. And he was supposed to "dress it and keep" the garden, which means to "tend and protect it." Adam was supposed to look after all of the races that God put here. He was the overseer if you will.

Adam was the beginning of the human race! Where do you get this kind of racist information? Do you have any verse to back it up? You don't.

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of EDEN, that were in the garden of GOD, envied it.

Those trees were people.

This isn't racist information. This is just the way it is. I've met racists. I have almost nothing in common with them, more specifically their hatred.

 

[shad]

Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian. And he was supposed to "dress it and keep" the garden, which means to "tend and protect it." Adam was supposed to look after all of the races that God put here. He was the overseer if you will.

Adam was the beginning of the human race! Where do you get this kind of racist information? Do you have any verse to back it up? You don't.

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of EDEN, that were in the garden of GOD, envied it.

Those trees were people.

This isn't racist information. This is just the way it is. I've met racists. I have almost nothing in common with them, more specifically their hatred.

Those verses are not saying anglos will be the judges of the world at all. :o .

 

[Free]

Again, Jesus followers are not of this world, Christians should not get involved with politics.

No. You are misunderstanding what it means that Christ's followers are not of this world.

If you condone Christian in the military, you have no business condemning gay practices, either; maybe you don't know any gay practice but how about your church? I know most churches don't condone gay practices.

Umm, no. Your reasoning is faulty on this one unless you can show where the Bible explicitly states it is wrong to join the military.

the verse is a parable. The garden in Eden was people.

What? No. The garden was just that, a garden.

Adam was the beginning of the Caucasian race....Adam was supposed to look after all of the races that God put on earth. He was the overseer if you will.

If you mean white people, then you would likely be wrong. And it is getting close to racism.

I'm not so sure I like where this thread is going. Please get it back on topic.

 

[researcher]

Those verses are not saying anglos will be the judges of the world at all. :o

Well, in the end, the body of Christ out of all different races will rule, but, for the natural world, it would be the Anglo.

David
1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

David was the ruddy complected king. And Goliath hated him, because he was young, "ruddy" and bright skinned. The word "fair" in Hebrew means, "beautiful" from the root word "bright," or "fair." Ruddy is from the root word "to be rosy," "flushing," and "to show blood in the face."

David was the young, good looking, rosy complected kid, and, Goliath was of Arab/Middle Eastern descent. He definitely wouldn't hate him because they were the same color. 100% the opposite. Goliath hated David because he was a young, rosy complected (white) kid.

And everyone from David's line would be the same color. They married within their race.

The natural order of the world should be evident after all of this time. As evident as it is that Sodomy is 100% backwards and not how God made things.


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[Vic C.]

Ok, I see you've all moved the circus from End Times to here. I have no problem with anyone wanting to discuss the political correctness of Christianity or it's lack of... but if this is going to be a mudsling, I'd strongly advise you move it to a chatroom somewhere, maybe an IM service or to the PM arena.

If this topic can't be constructed in a way that allows the input of other members, in a civilized manner, then the Mods will be forced to lock it down.

Sorry people.

 

[researcher]

researcher wrote:
the verse is a parable. The garden in Eden was people.

What? No. The garden was just that, a garden.

The trees in the garden of Eden were people. It is a parable.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.

Eze 31:14 to the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves in their stature, neither set their top among the thick boughs, nor that their mighty ones stand up on their height, even all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to Sheol with them that descend into the pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth:

Eze 28:13 Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth:

And Satan was in Eden also. He was ruling the world then.

 

[Free]

No. None of the passages you have provided prove that Eden was a garden of people. People are called people and trees are called trees, for the reason that that is what they are. You are trying to use one allegorical passage to prove what you think is a parable. That is not a good way to go about things.

 

[researcher]

if this is going to be a mudsling, I'd strongly advise you move it to a chatroom somewhere, maybe an IM service or to the PM arena.

If this topic can't be constructed in a way that allows the input of other members, in a civilized manner, then the Mods will be forced to lock it down.

Sorry people.

Sorry Vic.

I wasn't aware of any mudslinging? I think everyone should join in who has an opposing view and it should be debated with scripture. Purely emotional responses obviously have no part in debate. People should just bring facts, and, scripture. Of course, one topic segues into another as they are in some way related, thus, becoming a larger discussion.

 

[researcher]

No. None of the passages you have provided prove that Eden was a garden of people. People are called people and trees are called trees, for the reason that that is what they are. You are trying to use one allegorical passage to prove what you think is a parable. That is not a good way to go about things.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 3:10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches:

Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Jer 11:19 But I was like a gentle lamb that is led to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

Jdg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive-tree, Reign thou over us.
Jdg 9:9 But the olive-tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honor God and man, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?
Jdg 9:10 And the trees said to the fig-tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:11 But the fig-tree said unto them, Should I leave my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?

Dan 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Dan 4:21 whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation:
Dan 4:22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.


Zec 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.
Zec 11:2 Wail, O fir-tree, for the cedar is fallen, because the goodly ones are destroyed: wail, O ye oaks of Bashan, for the strong forest is come down.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth.

Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

Trees. Symbolic of people. All through scripture. Just like Jesus is a lamb, and a rock, but, not a literal lamb and rock.