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Preterism-replacement

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Preterism is a variant of Christian eschatology which holds that some or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the Last Days or End Times refer to events which already happened in the first century after Christ's birth. Because of its claims that Israel was supplanted by the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, Preterism has sometimes been identified as replacement theology. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning "past". Adherents of Preterism are known as Preterists.
-Wikipedia

I just became familiar with replacement theology. I cannot believe anyone can actually have the audacity to believe that gentiles replaced the Israelites. Talk about a damnable heresy!


Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

It is the height of arogance to suggest Christians replaced Israel as God's chosen people.
That might explain how some can hate the Jews but they are playing a very dangerous game.
 
Yeah, it might actually be a "damnable heresy" IF that were what preterism teaches. You preterist attackers need to get your facts straight. Where did you learn about preterism? That is NOT what preterism teaches. I am SICK of these false charges.

It is the dispensationalist misunderstand of what actually constitutes Israel that causes all these misconceptions regarding Preterism. True Israel has always been True Israel, Walter. At first the only True Jews (e.g. Abraham who was Israel through faith and not through the law of circumcision) were of national, physical Israel. When Christ came and opened the doors to include Gentiles, True Israel still remained True Israel--it was now expanded to include the promise to Abraham that he would be the Father of many nations (Gen. 12). Abraham, Paul, Peter, Luke (a Gentile)--all of the same spiritual Israel. Again, it is the futurist misconception of the nature of true Israel (insisting that national Israel is true Israel) that causes them to falsely charge preterists with teaching replacement theology.

If anything was replaced, Walter, it was the Old Covenant with all of its types and shadows. But even then, it was fulfilled by the New Covenant and not really replaced. I believe in fulfillment or realized theology. When you come to a biblical understanding of what constitutes a true Jew and realize that the true Jew (Christian) has much more in common with Abraham than the Jews who occupy the modern-day land of Israel, then you will stop falsely accusing preterists of heresy. I hate that word, by the way. It should never be so freely thrown around as futurists like to do. I caution you as I have cautioned others, including myself--be careful of what you accuse others lest you come to find yourself guilty!

Matthew24:34
 
Then explain it to me. Here's your chance!! :-)

I'm new to this idea so enlighten me please. I am not being a wiseguy either. :-)
 
walter said:
Then explain it to me. Here's your chance!! :-)

I'm new to this idea so enlighten me please. I am not being a wiseguy either. :-)

Greetings, Walter: See my edited post above. Why are you so quick to throw out the label "damnable heresy" when you yourself admit that you might not even understand the teachings of preterism?

Sincerely, Matthew24:34
 
I appreciate your explaination. Thank you. I used the term damnable heresy because any theology that presumes to replace Israel as God's chosen people is damnable.
I really don't agree that the true Jews are Christians (meaning gentiles). I believe the Jews are the true Jews. I believe that since Jesus is the fulfilment of the law we are all grafted into Israel. The original people of Israel.
 
walter said:
I appreciate your explaination. Thank you. I used the term damnable heresy because any theology that presumes to replace Israel as God's chosen people is damnable.
I really don't agree that the true Jews are Christians (meaning gentiles). I believe the Jews are the true Jews. I believe that since Jesus is the fulfilment of the law we are all grafted into Israel. The original people of Israel.

Be careful not to lump the antichrists in there with the jews.There are those who call themselves jews who are not.You can tell by the words out of thier mouths.
 
I don't understand why Preterism does not accept Israel as a Nation. It became a Nation On May 14, 1948 why is this fraudulent?
 
nonbelieverforums said:
I don't understand why Preterism does not accept Israel as a Nation. It became a Nation On May 14, 1948 why is this fraudulent?
The 'State of Israel' established in 1948 is a parliamentary democracy.

Is Israel a 'nation' because the UN proclaimed it?

Will you accept a single-world-religion if the UN proclaims it?
 
Shilohsfoal said:
walter said:
I appreciate your explaination. Thank you. I used the term damnable heresy because any theology that presumes to replace Israel as God's chosen people is damnable.
I really don't agree that the true Jews are Christians (meaning gentiles). I believe the Jews are the true Jews. I believe that since Jesus is the fulfilment of the law we are all grafted into Israel. The original people of Israel.

Be careful not to lump the antichrists in there with the jews.There are those who call themselves jews who are not.You can tell by the words out of thier mouths.
The Jews you're thinking of met their maker at Masada.
 
Sorry all. I am still here but I got upper dentures yesterday and am a bit sore. Pulled some teeth and all. I will return tothis thread soon! :-)
 
Sinthesis said:
Shilohsfoal said:
walter said:
I appreciate your explaination. Thank you. I used the term damnable heresy because any theology that presumes to replace Israel as God's chosen people is damnable.
I really don't agree that the true Jews are Christians (meaning gentiles). I believe the Jews are the true Jews. I believe that since Jesus is the fulfilment of the law we are all grafted into Israel. The original people of Israel.

Be careful not to lump the antichrists in there with the jews.There are those who call themselves jews who are not.You can tell by the words out of thier mouths.
The Jews you're thinking of met their maker at Masada.

No they didnt.There are many who call themselves jews today who are not.There is a difference between those circumsized in the heart and those circumsized in the flesh.Even today as it was 2000 years ago those who say the messiah has not come claim to be jews and God's chosen people.They even go so far as to say those who ARE jews are not.If you ever get a chance to speak with a messianic jew that lives in Judea ask him about what Im saying.
 
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