Pride

[elijah23]

Jesus taught us that pride is a sin, but it seems to me there are lots of Christians that behave in a prideful manner. You can see it when they speak disrespectfully of other people, especially Muslims. Why is this?

 

[Tina]

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Why do you single out "Muslims" ?

 

[DrFrank]

Re: Pride Is Not Disrespect

Disrespect is very different than pride.Christians very definitely should not show disrespect toward Muslims as individuals but they have an obligation to express contempt for their religion because it is clearly satanic in its teachings.

Pride becomes a sin when we show excessive appreciation for someone or something other than members of the Trinity.One of the most famous slogans in the country is a good example,"The few,the proud,the brave,the Marines"There are numerous warnings in the Bible that warn about the sin of pride but none more threatening than the following verses which interestingly some of those who frequently loudly proclaim "I'm proud to be an American" ,also quote to condemn homosexuals.Here it is:

Romans 1:28-32 (New International Version)

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, He gave them over(let Satan attack them) to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and (sexual) depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, ARROGANT AND BOASTFUL; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Sure reads like a newspaper doesn't it? :help

LET'S CLEAN UP OUR ACTS AND STOP CHOOSING WHAT WORDS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WE WISH TO IGNORE ! :amen

 

[elijah23]

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Why do you single out "Muslims" ?

Yes, I’ve heard Christians belittle Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, also.

 

[elijah23]

Re: Pride Is Not Disrespect

Disrespect is very different than pride.Christians very definitely should not show disrespect toward Muslims as individuals but they have an obligation to express contempt for their religion because it is clearly satanic in its teachings.

Jesus gave us two commandments to obey: to love the Lord with all our hearts, souls, and minds, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. If the Muslim succeeds in obeying these two commandments and the Christian fails, which will go to heaven?

 

[Vic C.]

Re: Pride Is Not Disrespect

Disrespect is very different than pride.Christians very definitely should not show disrespect toward Muslims as individuals but they have an obligation to express contempt for their religion because it is clearly satanic in its teachings.

Jesus gave us two commandments to obey: to love the Lord with all our hearts, souls, and minds, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. If the Muslim succeeds in obeying these two commandments and the Christian fails, which will go to heaven?

No offense, but that is clearly a leading question. Take the entire Gospel into account and then come back to answer your question. :yes

What about John 3:16, John 14:6, Rom 10:9-13, Eph. 2:8-9, 1 Tim 2:5 (etc.)? Lets not just focus on commandments that, on their own, cannot save. That does the Gospel a great injustice. You're proposing a type of universal salvation message, whether knowingly or not. If knowingly, please keep in mind our TOS.

Thanks. :yes

 

[elijah23]

I am saying the Lord does not play favorites. If you obey him you go to heaven. If not you don’t.
If you want to be saved, call on Jesus. That, I believe, is different than going to heaven.

 

[Vic C.]

I think I know where you are coming from, albeit I don't agree.

Ok, what about this?

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Pride here belongs to the Pharisee, even though he was sure to point out his obedience. On the other hand, he who humbled himself in acknowledgment of his transgressions, found himself in favor and exalted and was justified. :amen

Pride steps in when one boasts of faithfully obeying each and every commandment (as if that were possible) but denies Christ for who He is, Lord and Savior. That person is not saved; they are not passing go nor collecting $200.00... I'm sure you know the rest.

I don't separate salvation from heaven but can't confirm or deny heaven is the final resting place for God's saved elect. I can say that no one can go to heaven apart from being saved through Jesus Christ.

 

[Pard]

I am saying the Lord does not play favorites. If you obey him you go to heaven. If not you don’t.
If you want to be saved, call on Jesus. That, I believe, is different than going to heaven.

God plays "does what the Bible says"... and the Bible says to enter Heaven we must go through Jesus... Even if you are the most pure hearted, loving, biblical man int he world, if you deny Jesus as Lord and Savior you will not be seeing Heaven any time soon.

 

[elijah23]

Semantics, semantics, semantics! Semantics are going to prevent people from stepping into heaven. We fight over the Trinity and everything else, rather than trying to understand.

God is our savior:

[21] They forgot God, their Savior,
who had done great things in Egypt,
[22] wondrous works in the land of Ham,
and terrible things by the Red Sea. Psalm 106:21-22 RSV

God came to earth in the body of a human. He called himself Jesus. Jesus is our savior. He was God, God in flesh.

A rose by any other name still smells the same. God is our savior. Jesus is our savior.

Muslims and Jews can accept God as their savior just as Christians do. Christians think of Jesus as their savior, but it’s the same thing, isn’t it?

Muslims, Jews, and Christians should try to get along. Didn’t Jesus say so? Instead, they accuse each other of being Satanic and are constantly at war with each other.

Isn't this the result of pride and aren't we Christians partially responsible?

 

[Tina]

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If presenting TRUTHS seem like pride to you ... then you are deceiving yourself and being nothing less than judgemental !


:nod

 

[elijah23]

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If presenting TRUTHS seem like pride to you ... then you are deceiving yourself and being nothing less than judgemental !


:nod

Only the Lord fully understands truth, wouldn’t you say?

 

[Tina]

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Only the Lord fully understands truth, wouldn’t you say?

Wrong ! ..... The Lord IS the Truth ....

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


If you don't know the Lord, then you do not know the truth !



:amen

 

[elijah23]

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Only the Lord fully understands truth, wouldn’t you say?

Wrong ! ..... The Lord IS the Truth ....

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


If you don't know the Lord, then you do not know the truth !



:amen

Nobody can read the Lord’s mind, I don’t think. We have to wait for him to reveal the truth to us, wouldn’t you say?

 

[Pard]

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Only the Lord fully understands truth, wouldn’t you say?

Wrong ! ..... The Lord IS the Truth ....

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


If you don't know the Lord, then you do not know the truth !



:amen

Nobody can read the Lord’s mind, I don’t think. We have to wait for him to reveal the truth to us, wouldn’t you say?

Of course no one can read God's mind... than again, you can't read any bodies mind...

I can, however, read the Word of God. The Truth He set before us so we may enter into the Kingdom. It is really simple: Accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and allow for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You don't seem to understand that a Christian, a real Christian who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (and it goes without saying accepted Jesus), will not be breaking those two commandments any time soon! Why? They are new people not of this world, but of Heaven.

May I suggest you go (re)read the Bible, or at least the New Testament and see that the line you are quoting is but a fraction of the teachings of Jesus and of the way to salvation.

Prayer is always helpful too!

 

[Vic C.]

Muslims and Jews can accept God as their savior just as Christians do. Christians think of Jesus as their savior, but it’s the same thing, isn’t it?

What I am reading is a lack of understanding of how God revealed HIS plan of redemption and reconciliation for man.

The OT is Jesus in prophecy; the NT is prophecy fulfilled. Another way of saying it is: The OT is Jesus concealed: the NT is Jesus revealed.

We must read this verse (below) with the following emphasis (in bold).

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me!

It's a matter of truth, not pride. Leaving Jesus out of the equation is not even a half truth.

 

[Pard]

Maybe it's just me, but don't you have another article, Elijah, that is pretty much the exact same thing? They started at slightly different places but you have moved them into the same topic. Just saying...

 

[elijah23]

Of course no one can read God's mind... than again, you can't read any bodies mind...

I can, however, read the Word of God. The Truth He set before us so we may enter into the Kingdom. It is really simple: Accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and allow for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You don't seem to understand that a Christian, a real Christian who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (and it goes without saying accepted Jesus), will not be breaking those two commandments any time soon! Why? They are new people not of this world, but of Heaven.

May I suggest you go (re)read the Bible, or at least the New Testament and see that the line you are quoting is but a fraction of the teachings of Jesus and of the way to salvation.

Prayer is always helpful too!

A real Christian will obey the commandments of Jesus, found in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, right?

 

[Pard]

Of course no one can read God's mind... than again, you can't read any bodies mind...

I can, however, read the Word of God. The Truth He set before us so we may enter into the Kingdom. It is really simple: Accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and allow for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You don't seem to understand that a Christian, a real Christian who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (and it goes without saying accepted Jesus), will not be breaking those two commandments any time soon! Why? They are new people not of this world, but of Heaven.

May I suggest you go (re)read the Bible, or at least the New Testament and see that the line you are quoting is but a fraction of the teachings of Jesus and of the way to salvation.

Prayer is always helpful too!

A real Christian will obey the commandments of Jesus, found in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, right?

Sure he will. It is what happens when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. Now, this isn't to say people don't make mistakes, after all there is a reason we are not in Eden right now! Even with the Holy Spirit we still have the ability to decide, we can still fill our mind with the garbage of the world.

 

[elijah23]

Muslims and Jews can accept God as their savior just as Christians do. Christians think of Jesus as their savior, but it’s the same thing, isn’t it?

What I am reading is a lack of understanding of how God revealed HIS plan of redemption and reconciliation for man.

The OT is Jesus in prophecy; the NT is prophecy fulfilled. Another way of saying it is: The OT is Jesus concealed: the NT is Jesus revealed.

We must read this verse (below) with the following emphasis (in bold).

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me!

It's a matter of truth, not pride. Leaving Jesus out of the equation is not even a half truth.

I believe Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is our savior. So is God. Read this:

[21] They forgot God, their Savior,
who had done great things in Egypt,
[22] wondrous works in the land of Ham,
and terrible things by the Red Sea. Psalms 106:21-22