Promoting Christianity or just trying to make people patsies???

[persecuted]

Big thought that's been on my mind lately when I listen to the messages of people claiming to be Christians. Whether its on the day to day level or on a more grand political stage, I can't help but to believe that rather than being asked to try to live my life in a Godly way that I am being called upon to be a patsy.

 

[persecuted]

.... I now continue. I have noted that many religious leaders hold to a belief that only their flock need to hold to a standard. So, for example, they will call for church members to not engage in sex outside of marriage. Simulateously, they will say "not to judge" those that don't hold to this standard. I say this is plain wrong and if your pastor says something like this, call them out. The standard is the standard and you have the right to push the standard and NOT fall into the fallacy of saying "oh, well we don't want to push our morality on others" as we live in a multicultural secular society where all can choose their own relgion. Sure, all other groups can choose their morality, but it does not follow that others are exempt from sin as such.

I am sick of being told that "God loves all of his children equally" and then being told that I personally must hold to standards while other people are to be given some exemption on racial, religious, or gender lines as if to say "they don't need to hold such standards." Where I live (Canada) if someone wants (or feel they need) to go on welfare, they can do such. But even with our reputation of liberal social safety nets, anyone doing such goes through procedures such as interviews and providing documentation proving they are in need and further, making a plan to take the absolute first job available and curing any personal issues that may be contributing to your unemployment. No one seems to think that this is unacceptable as "thou shalt not judge". Yet, for raising money for other causes like Haiti, if I have any reservations about the practises going on in that country, I am evil for "judging". RIDICULOUS... and as we see now, Haiti will never be cured or saved unless somebody starts demanding people uphold some sort of standard. Because when you come right down to it the disaster that is Haiti was caused less by an earthquake than by patterns of mass rape and promiscuity that have led to a population explosion of unwanted children. To turn a blind eye on these practises is simply not Christian because you are in fact loving the sin.

And I can keep bringing up other isssues.....

 

[Brother Lawrence]

.... I now continue. I have noted that many religious leaders hold to a belief that only their flock need to hold to a standard. So, for example, they will call for church members to not engage in sex outside of marriage. Simulateously, they will say "not to judge" those that don't hold to this standard. I say this is plain wrong and if your pastor says something like this, call them out. The standard is the standard and you have the right to push the standard and NOT fall into the fallacy of saying "oh, well we don't want to push our morality on others" as we live in a multicultural secular society where all can choose their own relgion. Sure, all other groups can choose their morality, but it does not follow that others are exempt from sin as such.

I am sick of being told that "God loves all of his children equally" and then being told that I personally must hold to standards while other people are to be given some exemption on racial, religious, or gender lines as if to say "they don't need to hold such standards." Where I live (Canada) if someone wants (or feel they need) to go on welfare, they can do such. But even with our reputation of liberal social safety nets, anyone doing such goes through procedures such as interviews and providing documentation proving they are in need and further, making a plan to take the absolute first job available and curing any personal issues that may be contributing to your unemployment. No one seems to think that this is unacceptable as "thou shalt not judge". Yet, for raising money for other causes like Haiti, if I have any reservations about the practises going on in that country, I am evil for "judging". RIDICULOUS... and as we see now, Haiti will never be cured or saved unless somebody starts demanding people uphold some sort of standard. Because when you come right down to it the disaster that is Haiti was caused less by an earthquake than by patterns of mass rape and promiscuity that have led to a population explosion of unwanted children. To turn a blind eye on these practises is simply not Christian because you are in fact loving the sin.

And I can keep bringing up other isssues.....

Must be a Canadian thing...

You guys have more sermons I have never heard before than anybody I have met on the internet.

On the "judging" thing: when the Good Book talks about "judging" it is talking about judging righteously, because the same standard will be applied to you some day. You see scriptural evidence of this is the parable of the ten talents, when the master of the house comes home only to find that one of the servants has done nothing with the money he was given, his excuse being that his master is a "hard man, harvesting where he has not sown and gathering where he has not scattered seed."

His master comes right back at him with his own words: "So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest."

It's funny how nobody objects to being told they look nice in their new clothes, haircut, whatever, but those are all judgments.

Most of the people who hit you with the "judge not" thing just want to shut you up, although if I am in the judging mood I usually refrain anyway, because there but by the grace of God go I, and I don't want that boomerang hitting me in the back of the head.

And if you don't want to donate to Haitian relief, "no" works just fine.

 

[childeye]

Must be a Canadian thing...

You guys have more sermons I have never heard before than anybody I have met on the internet.

On the "judging" thing: when the Good Book talks about "judging" it is talking about judging righteously, because the same standard will be applied to you some day. You see scriptural evidence of this is the parable of the ten talents, when the master of the house comes home only to find that one of the servants has done nothing with the money he was given, his excuse being that his master is a "hard man, harvesting where he has not sown and gathering where he has not scattered seed."

His master comes right back at him with his own words: "So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest."

It's funny how nobody objects to being told they look nice in their new clothes, haircut, whatever, but those are all judgments.

Most of the people who hit you with the "judge not" thing just want to shut you up, although if I am in the judging mood I usually refrain anyway, because there but by the grace of God go I, and I don't want that boomerang hitting me in the back of the head.

And if you don't want to donate to Haitian relief, "no" works just fine.

Well said, and all too true.

 

[persecuted]

Thank you Brother Lawrence, that was all very well put, succinct, and wise. Your comments about Canada really do make me wonder. I mean some American tells me to wise up and go to church, I go to church get some dopey sermon and come back feeling annoyed and the Americans are all perplexed about what the bleep I am talking about. Really viscious circle. You guys do know, right, that since I hear these messages in church with a churchful of people who do by and large support their pastor that when I come on here disgruntingly grunting my disapproval I fully expect to be slapped around and condemned for going against the "church" message?

 

[xounstaer]

Thank you Brother Lawrence, that was all very well put, succinct, and wise. Your comments about Canada really do make me wonder. I mean some American tells me to wise up and go to church, I go to church get some dopey sermon and come back feeling annoyed and the Americans are all perplexed about what the bleep I am talking about. Really viscious circle. You guys do know, right, that since I hear these messages in church with a churchful of people who do by and large support their pastor that when I come on here disgruntingly grunting my disapproval I fully expect to be slapped around and condemned for going against the "church" message?

and that message is? sry i havent got a message from a real church with a building and people listening for long time.

and btw you can go for interest but inflation or other surcumstances may cause your money to be worthess at any certain time, certainly on the long run i wonder.

so start using it, but if i got you right you allready do, right?

 

[persecuted]

lol... yeah, that's right, there is no future so why plan for it?