Revelation 5

[th1b.taylor]

Revelation of Christ to John 5:1:
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.


We read in the beginning of Chapt. 4 that John saw a throne and here we are in chapt. 5 to discover that there is a scroll in the right hand of Him that sits there. The right hand or to be at the right hand side of God is the symbol of Absolute Power!


Revelation to John 5:2:
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?


There is an issue to be decided here. It is delineated by an Angel. It is very important to understand that, aside from God, Angels are the most powerful beings in all of creation. As we study the Bible on a regular basis I, at least, can be no less than dumbfounded at their power. They will, in the future, turn the oceans to blood and they will kill most of humanity before the Tribulation is over. But this Angel here, able to destroy the world, cannot open the seals on this scroll.


Revelation to John 5:3:
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.


As I have spent my study time over the past 21 years reading and rereading the scriptures it has left me a gasp! We, the saved humans will rule over the Angels of Heaven (1Cor. 6:[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Know ye not that we shall judge angels?) and yet neither man, nor Angel could open the Seven Seals.[/FONT]


Revelation to John 5:4:
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.


John, though he is privileged to visit Heaven, in the spirit, is distressed and upset!


Revelation to John 5:5:
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


This, from the human stand point, is, likely, best understood by men who have been in a hopeless situation in a Combat Zone. I´ve known men that were trapped, surrounded, some for days, and had just admitted, to themselves that they would not escape this time and they have always been so thrilled and pleased that they could not stop buying shots and beers, for anybody. I also have known that feeling and until the Elder spoke to John, everything was lost and there was no hope.


One might, correctly, conclude that when the Son of God, the Lion of Juda, Jesus, came forward, there were tears of joy and relief in the eyes of john.


Revelation to John 5:6:
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


As he looks this over he notices some things about Jesus he had never seen before, the horns of power and the eyes of pure wisdom, and here He is in the midst of the four beasts that, continuously guard the Throne of God.


Revelation to John 5:7:
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


Jesus, being worthy, because it is He that completed the work on Earth that neither man nor angel could, steps for in all of His majesty and takes the scroll from the hand of God, His Father.


Revelation to John 5:8:
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.


Have you felt like your prayers just hit the ceiling and bounce back onto the floor? Always remember this verse of scripture. Now, I know that this book is written in symbolic language but any time that God mentions anything it is important. If the LORD emphasizes anything by mentioning it twice it is being emphasized and prayer is discussed more than 114 times in the scriptures and here we see that the four beasts and the twenty-four elders that are seated around the Throne of God have them for a sweet odor in viles to keep them.


Revelation to John 5:9:
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


They are singing a new song here praising Jesus for His work on the cross and I have, of late, seen many different takes on the matter of Salvation and, just, who is eligible for it. It has been my position, ever since I was called to teach that every soul born on this earth is eligible and this verse sure does seem to make that clear, doesn´t it?


Revelation to John 5:10:
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


There are millions of Christians, I believe, that have never seen ths verse in the scriptures. Folks just get upset with the idea that we will reign under but with Jesus on the world, but we will!


Revelation to John 5:11:
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;


In Matthew 26:53 we are taught that Jesus could have called twelve legions of angels to do His will and yet folks have the strange idea that Heaven is not all that large. When we do the math here we see that there are better than one hundred million angels in Heaven. Heaven is not going to be, Heaven is the most awesome place we can consider.


Revelation to John 5:12:
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.


Many times today I am informed that this or that particular person naming the name of the Christ as their Savior owe God nothing! The scripture, here, is very clear, the Saved Person owes everything to God! None of us were or ever will be Worthy of the glory we receive or will receive because of Jesus.


Revelation to John 5:13:
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


In the last three verses of Matthew we find the duty we are commissioned to perform, not to earn our Salvation but rather because we should feel that we owe it to our Redeemer. And we need to understand that the Kingdom of God is right now and begin to serve like the Bond Servants, Slaves, we are.


Revelation to John 5:14:
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


And so should every single one of us, not on Sunday, no, every second of every minute of every day we live.

 

[Sinthesis]

Just a minor point. It is not the 'Revelation of John', but the 'Revelation of Jesus Christ'.

Rev 1:1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 - Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.​

Revelation - Strong's G602 - apokalypsis - ἀποκάλυψις
1) laying bare, making naked
2) a disclosure of truth, instruction
--a) concerning things before unknown
--b) used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto withdrawn from view are made visible to all
3) manifestation, appearance

I know what you mean, but the Revelation is of Jesus Christ; John is only the servant messenger.

 

[Asyncritus]

Just a minor point. It is not the 'Revelation of John', but the 'Revelation of Jesus Christ'.

Rev 1:1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 - Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.​

Revelation - Strong's G602 - apokalypsis - ἀποκάλυψις
1) laying bare, making naked
2) a disclosure of truth, instruction
--a) concerning things before unknown
--b) used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto withdrawn from view are made visible to all
3) manifestation, appearance

I know what you mean, but the Revelation is of Jesus Christ; John is only the servant messenger.

This isn't correct either.

ch1. 1 "...Which GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants"

So Jesus RECEIVED this from God. Again demonstrating that Jesus is NOT equal to His Father, as is shown many times in this book.

In fact, if you do a concordance search, you will be startled, as I was, to see how little Jesus figures in the book (in terms of the number of times He is mentioned).

God takes the pre-eminent position, as it is only right that He should.

PS I wonder if I could ask you thib.taylor, to change the spelling of the word VIALS in your first post. You have VILES there, which really doesn't look too good in the context of sweet odours and prayers.

 

[Asyncritus]

Many times today I am informed that this or that particular person naming the name of the Christ as their Savior owe God nothing! The scripture, here, is very clear, the Saved Person owes everything to God! None of us were or ever will be Worthy of the glory we receive or will receive because of Jesus.

Can this really be true????

 

[Stormcrow]

So Jesus RECEIVED this from God. Again demonstrating that Jesus is NOT equal to His Father, as is shown many times in this book.

The original poster hasn't gotten to chapter 6 yet, but Christ is equal to the Father, which is clear in the fact that only God has the power and authority to judge and the Father has given it to the Son. They wield power and authority co-equally!

{9} And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. Revelation 5:9 (NASB)

Jesus Christ alone is worthy to break the seals of the book. The seals of the book represent the wrath of God in judgment about to be poured out upon the land and its people. Therefore, Jesus Christ is every bit equal to the Father, as no one else but the Father has the power and authority to judge in righteousness!

Further, we see this same idea illustrated in Matthew 26:

{64} Jesus *said to him [Caiaphas], "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." {65} Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy; {66} what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!" Matthew 26:64-66 (NASB)

Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin reacted to Jesus's provocative words precisely because they knew He was claiming Himself to be equal to God, when Christ appropriated these two OT verses and spoke them to His "judges":

{1} The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Psalm 110:1 (NASB)

{13} "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. Daniel 7:13 (NASB)

Jesus Christ is God incarnate ("in the flesh"). To be any less would render His sacrifice insufficient to save Himself let alone us!

 

[Acebopata]

The original poster hasn't gotten to chapter 6 yet, but Christ is equal to the Father, which is clear in the fact that only God has the power and authority to judge and the Father has given it to the Son. They wield power and authority co-equally!

{9} And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. Revelation 5:9 (NASB)

Jesus Christ alone is worthy to break the seals of the book. The seals of the book represent the wrath of God in judgment about to be poured out upon the land and its people. Therefore, Jesus Christ is every bit equal to the Father, as no one else but the Father has the power and authority to judge in righteousness!

Further, we see this same idea illustrated in Matthew 26:

{64} Jesus *said to him [Caiaphas], "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." {65} Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy; {66} what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!" Matthew 26:64-66 (NASB)

Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin reacted to Jesus's provocative words precisely because they knew He was claiming Himself to be equal to God, when Christ appropriated these two OT verses and spoke them to His "judges":

{1} The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Psalm 110:1 (NASB)

{13} "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. Daniel 7:13 (NASB)

Jesus Christ is God incarnate ("in the flesh"). To be any less would render His sacrifice insufficient to save Himself let alone us!

I agree.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I also agree! And if I haven´t yet, let me apologize for the revelation of John mistake. I post the same lesson on 7 sites and may not have cleared that mistake up here. This week, I am preparing to teach chapt. 6 on Sunday and my notes will be finished by that time.

God bless.

 

[D4Christ]

The original poster hasn't gotten to chapter 6 yet, but Christ is equal to the Father, which is clear in the fact that only God has the power and authority to judge and the Father has given it to the Son. They wield power and authority co-equally!

... Therefore, Jesus Christ is every bit equal to the Father, as no one else but the Father has the power and authority to judge in righteousness!

Interesting.....so what happens when Christ, who was given "all authority" to him from the Father gives it back?

And if I might add, if Christ was given all authority, then it goes to reason he did not have this authority already in place prior to it being given to him. And when Christ gives this "all authority" back then he will no longer have this "all authority."

So, are we to believe that Christ is still co-equal to his Father even after he gives the power back? Not to mention the tiny fact that Christ, while he is still in posession of this "all authority" openly and plainly states that his Father is greater than him.

Blessings,
Dee

 

[Stormcrow]

Interesting.....so what happens when Christ, who was given "all authority" to him from the Father gives it back?

And if I might add, if Christ was given all authority, then it goes to reason he did not have this authority already in place prior to it being given to him. And when Christ gives this "all authority" back then he will no longer have this "all authority."

So, are we to believe that Christ is still co-equal to his Father even after he gives the power back? Not to mention the tiny fact that Christ, while he is still in posession of this "all authority" openly and plainly states that his Father is greater than him.

Blessings,
Dee

{1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 (NASB)

{5} Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, {6} who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, {7} but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. {8} Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. {9} For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, {10} so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, {11} and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11 (NASB)

Christ was God from the beginning - coexistent and co-equal with the Father, but for our sakes "emptied Himself" - left His place in heaven - to save us, yet while He was on earth Paul writes:

{9} For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, {10} and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; Colossians 2:9-10 (NASB)

He returned to the Father after His death and resurrection where He has once again taken His rightful place as Lord of all - co-existent and co-equal with the Father for all eternity: the Alpha and Omega - everlasting to everlasting.

Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God so that in being both He alone could save us.

I don't understand why people insist on claiming He's only one or the other when the Bible is clear: He is both.

 

[D4Christ]

He returned to the Father after His death and resurrection where He has once again taken His rightful place as Lord of all - co-existent and co-equal with the Father for all eternity: the Alpha and Omega - everlasting to everlasting.

Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God so that in being both He alone could save us.

I don't understand why people insist on claiming He's only one or the other when the Bible is clear: He is both.

You neglected to address my comment which is concerning the "all authority of Christ." What happens when Christ turns "all authority" back over to his Father. Would he then, in your opinion still be co-equal to the Father?

In essence, please explain how you can be under someone's authority...claim that they are greater than you...claim that you only do what that person says, claim that you only do and say what you are told...claim that all you do is to honor that person...claim that this person is your God...and still say you are equal in power and authority to that person.

1 Cor 15

24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.†(Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,†that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Blessings,
Dee

 

[th1b.taylor]

Interesting.....so what happens when Christ, who was given "all authority" to him from the Father gives it back?

And if I might add, if Christ was given all authority, then it goes to reason he did not have this authority already in place prior to it being given to him. And when Christ gives this "all authority" back then he will no longer have this "all authority."

So, are we to believe that Christ is still co-equal to his Father even after he gives the power back? Not to mention the tiny fact that Christ, while he is still in posession of this "all authority" openly and plainly states that his Father is greater than him.

Blessings,
Dee

Dee,
Iĺl attempt to field this because it is not covered in the book of the Revelation of Jesus, the Christ. If you will take the time to do a complete read of the Bible, from Genesis thru Revelation, many more questions will need to be answered but it should become clear from the first three verses of he Book of John that Jesus, before He was born a man, created everything, He had all the power.

Jesus, as explained in the scriptures. divested Himself of His unlimited power to become a man, that He could qualify to be the Perfect Lamb. Yes, the unlimited power has been given to Him since the cross but more accurately, it has been returned to Him and He is still in the body of Jesus, waiting for us to come Home!

God bless and I pray this helps.

 

[D4Christ]

Dee,
Iĺl attempt to field this because it is not covered in the book of the Revelation of Jesus, the Christ. If you will take the time to do a complete read of the Bible, from Genesis thru Revelation, many more questions will need to be answered but it should become clear from the first three verses of he Book of John that Jesus, before He was born a man, created everything, He had all the power.

Jesus, as explained in the scriptures. divested Himself of His unlimited power to become a man, that He could qualify to be the Perfect Lamb. Yes, the unlimited power has been given to Him since the cross but more accurately, it has been returned to Him and He is still in the body of Jesus, waiting for us to come Home!

God bless and I pray this helps.

Thank you for your response. However, I am not confused about the origins of Christ. For scriptures are rather clear that he existed long before he became a man. Indeed he exited in the beginning of creation with his Father. During this beginning, the Father gave "all authority" to his Son and thru the Son, the Father created all things. Then, at the command of his Father, the Son left his divine state and privileges to become human as we are, so that thru his sacrifice we could be saved.

After his death and resurrection the Son returned to His Father and again, at the Father's command, will return to earth to humble all of his enemies and destroy death.

1 cor 15- 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Then Son will return the Kingdom over to the Father and place himself under the Father's authority, so that the Father will be supreme over everthing everywhere.

This is my question:

Once the Son returns the Kingdom and places himself under God's authority, would you consider the Son still co-equal to the Father in authority?

After returning the Kingdom does Christ still have "all authority?"

Blessings,
Dee

 

[Stormcrow]

24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

{1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} He was in the beginning with God. John 1:1-2 (NASB)

{14} And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. {15} John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'" John 1:14-15 (NASB)

The work of Christ does not define - in the case of the passage from I Corinthians you cite - the nature and essence of Christ.

For example, Christ did - in fact - "humble Himself to the point of death on the cross." That does not change His nature and essence which is what John wrote of Him cited above.

In other words, I may be every bit as powerful as you are, but if I choose to subject myself to you it does not change who or what I am. Throughout First Corinthians, Paul makes statements about the relationship of Christ to the Father to make larger points to his readers about their relationship to each other. The fact that He continues to refer to them as "Father" and "Son" does not change the nature and essence of who and what the Son is. This is exactly the point the text is making when Paul wrote this:

"...the Son will put himself under God’s authority."

Laying His authority aside does not change who and what He is: co-equal to God as revealed in John's gospel and the Revelation. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end: who else but God Himself could make such a claim?

Here's a further illustration of this:

{23} and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God. 1 Corinthians 3:23 (NASB)

Christ belongs to God? Only in a metaphoric sense in the same way that a husband belongs to a wife and a wife belongs to her husband: they are each part of "one flesh" (one body), being spiritually inseparable.

In other words, Christ belongs to God the way my neck belongs to my head, or my fingers belong to my hand. My neck has a different function than my hand, but it is neither superior nor inferior to me as far as my body is concerned.

"Christ belongs to God" connotes the inseparability of the Father and Son in essence, nature and purpose.

 

[Stormcrow]

Once the Son returns the Kingdom and places himself under God's authority, would you consider the Son still co-equal to the Father in authority?
After returning the Kingdom does Christ still have "all authority?"

The flaw in this line of questioning is apparent in the text you cited: was there ever a time the Son had authority over the Father?

If you read your passage again, Paul is clear to explain that the Son never had authority over the Father:

{27} For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 1 Corinthians 15:27 (NASB)

Christ divested Himself of His power as God (the Word) when He chose to come to earth to save us, taking on human form "born of a woman, born under the Law." It's clear that God "the Word" was co-equal to God "the Father" in the beginning, sharing all power and authority.

Yet even when Christ came to earth, Paul says "all the fullness of the Godhead indwelt Him bodily." No one can say that about any other human being.

It's at this point - when Christ comes to earth - that He subjects Himself to the Father in obedience, even going so far as to die on the cross.

Next He ascends to the Father and sits at the Father's right hand - until His enemies are made His footstool. (This, by the way, happened in 70 AD, when the kingdom was taken from Israel. Read Matthew 21-26 for more on this.)

Are they co-equal now?

Is Jesus Christ God?

{13} "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:13 (NASB)

That seals it for me.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Great answer Stormcrow!

Dee, all I can add now is that you appear to believe the Father created but the Bible, in John 1:1-3 states that all things were created by Jesus. This next point will clarify your error and Stormcrow´s reply to you. There are three persons that are one God! I admit that I can explain it no better than the Crow did with the neck and head analogy.

We need always to remember that the three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One! Since none of us are living in the Spirit Realm right now, we have no personal knowledge of the facts but because God has chosen to reveal this truth to us we can wrap our heads and our hands around this and hold fast to it.

 

[Lehigh3]

th1b.taylor,
You said,

Revelation to John 5:10:
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
There are millions of Christians, I believe, that have never seen ths verse in the scriptures. Folks just get upset with the idea that we will reign under but with Jesus on the world, but we will!

What do you mean, "we will?!!!" That's the problem with futurists. That verse in Revelation 5 refers to the saints' prayers in the 1st century AD! One of their hopes was the promise that God would cause tribulation to their enemies (of the gospel of Christ) -see 2Thess.1.

We reign on earth now, in Christ. “The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.†(Rev.11)

 

[Acebopata]

th1b.taylor,
You said,


What do you mean, "we will?!!!" That's the problem with futurists. That verse in Revelation 5 refers to the saints' prayers in the 1st century AD! One of their hopes was the promise that God would cause tribulation to their enemies (of the gospel of Christ) -see 2Thess.1.

We reign on earth now, in Christ. “The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.†(Rev.11)

First, is there any proof of this in the real world.

And second, Has all the scripture for this been fulfilled.

 

[th1b.taylor]

th1b.taylor,
You said,


What do you mean, "we will?!!!" That's the problem with futurists. That verse in Revelation 5 refers to the saints' prayers in the 1st century AD! One of their hopes was the promise that God would cause tribulation to their enemies (of the gospel of Christ) -see 2Thess.1.

We reign on earth now, in Christ. “The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.†(Rev.11)

I, normally, will not jump ahead in a study but you need to read chapt. 20:1-6. It will be extremely beneficial to you if you will learn to use Google when doing a study.

 

[th1b.taylor]

First, is there any proof of this in the real world.

And second, Has all the scripture for this been fulfilled.

What you have said and asked are the questions of a very mature Christian and, indeed, are an early consideration when making such statements as he has made. I´m praying for his maturity.

 

[JudaicChristian]

In Judaism there is no such thing as angels. Angels are part of the Pagan religion. The word messenger has been given the interpretation "angel.