Rich Warning

[Goinheix]

is it Ok for the rules to criticise a famous and very rich pastor?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

are you from uraguay?

 

[Slider]

My Pastor isn't rich or famous in the eyes of men, so I wouldn't have a problem with it!

 

[Goinheix]

Yes I am from Uruguay

and your cat is as cute as my cat is spiritual.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Yes I am from Uruguay

There is a member of my church from Uraguay.

 

[farouk]

Yes I am from Uruguay

There is a member of my church from Uraguay.

I think it's Uruguay...

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I think it's Uruguay...

I think you're right. Missed another typo. Guess I need new reading glasses ... :shocked!That's how I get by for now. :toofunny

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I always wanted to go to Uruguay for a vacation.

 

[Goinheix]

To criticise others would also be contradicting myself as we are all sinners. I have no right to judge others.

Dear, I am not asking for you to criticise nobody. My question is if it is OK for me to do it. For what I understand, it is your opinion that it is perfectly OK if I criticise some pastotrs.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

To criticise others would also be contradicting myself as we are all sinners. I have no right to judge others.

That's not quite correct. And that leads me to the real answer I should have given earlier.

is it Ok for the rules to criticise a famous and very rich pastor?

If you can approach him privately, one on one, yes it is. Church discipline methodology is defined in Matthew 18:15-17. I'll go ahead a quote it, even though we have another thread on the forum discussing this subject.

Matthew 15 NASB
15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
​

As you can see, the first step is a personal, private approach. If not willing to listen, he must be approached by two or three witnesses who can verify your complaint against him. Then, if he still refuses to listen, take him before the church body. Understand, this is regarding sin in his life. I'm not sure what criticism you have of the man, but if it is doctrinal, then you really should just agree to disagree. Chances are he has a greater access to public opinion than you do. And, unless he's your pastor, none of these steps is really practical. I'm sure, if he is controversial in his doctrine, there are already adequate critics accosting his teaching online or elsewhere. And if it is indeed sin that you wish to discuss with him, he probably won't listen to you, a "mere person." Just some food for thought.

 

[Goinheix]

To criticise others would also be contradicting myself as we are all sinners. I have no right to judge others.

That's not quite correct. And that leads me to the real answer I should have given earlier.

is it Ok for the rules to criticise a famous and very rich pastor?

If you can approach him privately, one on one, yes it is. Church discipline methodology is defined in Matthew 18:15-17. I'll go ahead a quote it, even though we have another thread on the forum discussing this subject.

Matthew 15 NASB
15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
​

As you can see, the first step is a personal, private approach. If not willing to listen, he must be approached by two or three witnesses who can verify your complaint against him. Then, if he still refuses to listen, take him before the church body. Understand, this is regarding sin in his life. I'm not sure what criticism you have of the man, but if it is doctrinal, then you really should just agree to disagree. Chances are he has a greater access to public opinion than you do. And, unless he's your pastor, none of these steps is really practical. I'm sure, if he is controversial in his doctrine, there are already adequate critics accosting his teaching online or elsewhere. And if it is indeed sin that you wish to discuss with him, he probably won't listen to you, a "mere person." Just some food for thought.

Then, why are you criticiseing me? If my behavor is wrong, why dont you aproach me in private?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Then, why are you criticiseing me? If my behavor is wrong, why dont you aproach me in private?

I'm not criticizing you. I'm answering your question. Sorry if there was any confusion about that.

 

[divinecloud7]

To criticise others would also be contradicting myself as we are all sinners. I have no right to judge others.


Practice what you preach, and to be a christian also means to reprove those who are in error...we are to reprove and rebuke our brothers, those we love, and especially leaders of our congregation if they are in error of the truth and blind. "Can you stand by idly and watch as your brother is careening down a road to certain doom?" "Can you stand aside and watch in horror as your brother is about to plunge himself into a deep pit without offering him a rope to possibly grasp on to?" Isn't a genuine christian suppose to rush to his aide and offer him possible support and safety.

If you see your brother in need, give to him generously and refrain from selfish greed.

A wise man will admit his faith even in battle, the ignorant man will lose it even when there is no battle.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>