Rom. 8:1's NO CONDEMNATION?

[Elijah674]

Seed sown is not conversion. But this must come first. Conversion or being Born Again is only after Christ is accepted. (regardless of how He is found Rom. 2:14-15, it finds His Law Written even IN their hearts!) No one is saved, recreated, or BORN AGAIN that does not 'die IN TOTAL DEATH in SURRENDER TO CHRIST and His 'WILL'! Acts 5:32)

And gifts? It is the Holy Spirit that give Gifts, & most see them as some type of talent perhaps? Even the 12 tribes of Israel have different traits of character & personalities. (see Gen. 49! take note of many with back & forth names + even gossip perhaps in private emails about some, and then see verse16-17!) And yes, we are not 'all' of the same tribe!

And even after one is Rom. 8:1 Born Again or Converted there is the MANDATORY verse 14 of being LED of God! (NO FORCE SEEN) And NO Condemnation unless 'sin arises' to the point where the party cannot be moved... [TO MOVE!]. It is then that very little more can be done, gift, talent, knowledge has NO Benifit! Such as Lucifer once was, so is this person becoming. (the 'whole' Rev. 17:1-5 bunch!) With their Heb. 6:6 + Gen. 4:7's new 'old'non/born again master.

These ones can be compared to the sanctuary ones who never go past the altar of sacrifice into MATURE SANCTIFICATION, but just stop and say to the Lord, there IS NO NEED for I am JUSTIFIED!(Rom. 8:1) OSAS & then go on back home into hell's lost Eternity with their free choice of disobedience! And milk & being 'spiritually' retarded?? How else can one read --'s (flunking stuff?) [postings?]

We are IN Hosea 4:6's time & Dan. 12:1-2 and Matt. 24:21 on! And these 'at present' still lost ones?? they get sidetracked with their wisdom of who Michael is!

Or go to the Jer. 17:5 ones for truth, huh? Whatever? It is their free choice to make, but it was many other such false gospel's teachings.. for truth, that documents them as the abomination of the earth ones of Rev. 17:1-5

--Elijah

 

[childeye]

I'm not sure what it is you're getting at in this thread? Condemnation is as condemnation does as I understand scripture. Free choice I do not see since one chooses out of ignorance or knowledge. Given the chance, I suspect all would choose to have knowledge over ignorance, but we clearly do not have that power. I've seen wanton ignorance consistently but not by those who have humility. Moreover the gospel makes the seeing blind and the blind seeing. Therefore I applaud your use of the term "lost" as this is what blindness accomplishes.

Given the knowledge that men cannot help their blindness, nor eradicate sin by power of will, and once this is confessed, there can be no condemnation in Christ.

 

[Elijah674]

I'm not sure what it is you're getting at in this thread? Condemnation is as condemnation does as I understand scripture. Free choice I do not see since one chooses out of ignorance or knowledge. Given the chance, I suspect all would choose to have knowledge over ignorance, but we clearly do not have that power. I've seen wanton ignorance consistently but not by those who have humility. Moreover the gospel makes the seeing blind and the blind seeing. Therefore I applaud your use of the term "lost" as this is what blindness accomplishes.

Given the knowledge that men cannot help their blindness, nor eradicate sin by power of will, and once this is confessed, there can be no condemnation in Christ.

There is the verse 14 or Rom. 8 of being LED. That mean's that there is another hour or day in the future to decide on! Do we follow the LEADING? It is our 'FREE WILL' to do so or not to do so. To not do so means that we are right back UNDER THE CONDEMNATION of sin. 1 John 3:4

And most of even these that started out good (Rom. 8:1 with NO Condemnation) wound up not following on, & are seen in Heb. 6:6 cesspool & lost! Obad. 1:16! Yet, notice their previous START! 'MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST'. (they had been Born Again)

They ran into something such as was a God Given REQUIREMENT, and would go NO FURTHER. See Hosea 4:6 & Dan. 12:4's increased knowledge that has been rejected! It is the Isaiah 58:12-14 Truth also according to Dan. 7:25.

--Elijah