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Sacrifices : Did God demand them or it or not?

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As you know, there are several verses in the OT which describe in detail the rules for animal sacrifice.
(Leviticus 4:35, 5:10 to name a few)

but there are other verses where God seems to be denying that He ever commanded them to perform these rituals.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.
-Jeremiah 7:21-22

Whats going on?
 
sk0rpi0n said:
As you know, there are several verses in the OT which describe in detail the rules for animal sacrifice.
(Leviticus 4:35, 5:10 to name a few)

but there are other verses where God seems to be denying that He ever commanded them to perform these rituals.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.
-Jeremiah 7:21-22

Whats going on?
Click to expand...

Maybe he was just talking about that specific day...?.....:shrug

Anyhoot...that's all water under the bridge. We're not bound by all that ceremonial stuff anymore.
 
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Is this a tic-for-tac thread for the other thread on Koran ?


Alleged contradictions :-


God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days [Ex 29:36 / Lev 23:27 / Ex 29:18 / Lev 1:9]

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days [Jer 7:22 / Jer 6:20 / Ps 50:13,4 / Is 1:13,11,12]


The first set of Scriptures explains where God institutes sacrifices, etc., among Israel. Nothing in the second set contradicts this. In Jer 7:22, we read, "I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices," The author of this supposed contradiction conveniently left out the next verse: " but I gave them this command: "Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people." This is obviously not a disapproval of burnt offerings, but a disapproval on emphasizing such offerings to the exclusion of obedience in all areas. Jer 6:20 speaks of the incense in Sheba, hardly contradicting the first set. The verse in Psalms is lifted out of context, as the LORD clearly says, "I do not rebuke you for your sacrifices." (Ps 50:8). The verses in Isaiah are also lifted out of context. God rebukes the people for the sacrifices because they represent religious hypocrisy. Is 1:15-17 clearly demonstrate this.
 
ummm.. no... its not "under the bridge".

Even if you are not bound by the ceremonial stuff, such discrepancies raise questions concerning the authenticity of certain OT chapters and its writers.
God could not have commanded the Israelites to perform sacrifices only to later deny that He ever ordered for sacrifices.
 
Can someone tell me where on a members profile I can see if they are a Christian or not? Is it even there?

I'd like to know who I'm dealing with.

Scorpion are you a believer?
 
@ Strangelove
How does it matter what I believe
I asked you a question that does not rest on my belief system...but on what the bible says.
So tell me. Did God tell really order the Israelites to perform these sacrifices.. or NOT?

Its a simple "yes" or "no" question. Dont try and wriggle out of this one.
 
sk0rpi0n said:
As you know, there are several verses in the OT which describe in detail the rules for animal sacrifice.
(Leviticus 4:35, 5:10 to name a few)

but there are other verses where God seems to be denying that He ever commanded them to perform these rituals.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.
-Jeremiah 7:21-22

Whats going on?
Click to expand...

Ahh, I see the kjv is a bit hard for you to understand... It's ok, not everyone can read it...

20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched. 21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.



It's not the contradiction you think. You see, we're talking about the back side of Deut 28 through 30 here and Judah had back sliden. Really, it's better if you understand the story of what's happened.


But anyway, try this translation out and see if it makes better since.


NIV:
21 “‘This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you.

Or the Net Bible:
7:22 Consider this: When I spoke to your ancestors after I brought them out of Egypt, I did not merely give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Net Bible also carries this footnote:
Verses 22-23a read in Hebrew, “I did not speak with your ancestors and I did not command them when I brought them out of Egypt about words/matters concerning burnt offering and sacrifice, but I commanded them this word:” Some modern commentators have explained this passage as an evidence for the lateness of the Pentateuchal instruction regarding sacrifice or a denial that sacrifice was practiced during the period of the wilderness wandering. However, it is better explained as an example of what R. de Vaux calls a dialectical negative, i.e., “not so much this as that” or “not this without that” (Ancient Israel, 454-56). For other examples of this same argument see Isa 1:10-17; Hos 6:4-6; Amos 5:21-25.

Isn't that easier to understand?


Questions?
 
How about Gen. 4:7 long before any Jew arrived on the scene. Even with God in person answering this ones question! (posting one that is)

--Elijah
 
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