[__ Science __ ] Secular Geologists Accidentally Supporting the Global Flood?

[AIG.com]

A recent article highlighted several features of the Grand Canyon’s Tonto Group that sound rather like there was a global flood as described in Genesis!

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[Barbarian]

The research shows nothing of the sort, nor do the authors say that it does. Things like this is why many people regard creationists as inherently dishonest. They aren't inherently dishonest, but AIG gives them reason to think so.

 

[KV-44-v1]

• The Tonto Group holds a treasure trove of sedimentary layers and fossils chronicling the Cambrian Explosion some 540 million years ago, when the first vertebrates and animals with hard shells rapidly proliferated and sea levels rose to envelop continents with emerging marine life.”
• “From the Tonto Group’s 500-meter-thick strata, we’re learning about sea-level rise and the effects of catastrophic tropical storms – probably more powerful than today’s devastating hurricanes – during a period of very hot temperatures when the Earth was ice-free.”
• “Sea levels were so high during this time period, Dehler says, that rocks like the Tonto Group were deposited atop every continent on Earth, as seas bathed the continents in a complex mosaic of shallow marine, coastal, and terrestrial environments.”

Sea levels rose all around the world, bathing the continents and depositing vast rock layers that stretch across continents. That’s all coming from evolutionary scientists—but it almost sounds like they’re describing the initial stages of the global flood as waters began to rise and sea creatures were rapidly buried by these rising floodwaters.

Sea levels rose all around the world, bathing the continents and depositing vast rock layers that stretch across continents.

I’ve always said that if the Bible didn’t mention a global flood, most geologists would believe that there was one! The evidence is all around us, and it’s overwhelming. But the article mentions that Grand Canyon is like a crime scene, where detectives must piece together what happened in the past. And that’s true—that’s the nature of historical science. We can’t directly test, observe, or repeat the past, so worldview—what one believes about the past—determines the interpretation of the evidence in the present.
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[Barbarian]

I’ve always said that if the Bible didn’t mention a global flood, most geologists would believe that there was one!

But none of them believe in one a few thousand years old. Evidence, you know.

And the AiG insistence that we can't know about things that no one actually witnessed is so obviously wrong that I'm surprised anyone even bothers to still try it.

Creationists trying to make the Grand Canyon fit into their revisions of Genesis, must explain how deserts and forests had time to be formed and then covered by sediment in the course of a single year.

The usual AiG habit of cherry-picking data from scientific reports while ignoring the data that falsifies their new doctrines,

 

[KV-44-v1]

Theyre not trying. youre making up strawmen.

AiG insistence that we can't know about things that no one actually witnessed is so obviously wrong that I'm surprised anyone even bothers to still try it.

 

[Barbarian]

Theyre not trying. youre making up strawmen.

Sorry, they've tried that one too many times to hide the fact. "Were you there to see it?"

 

[reddogs]

A recent article highlighted several features of the Grand Canyon’s Tonto Group that sound rather like there was a global flood as described in Genesis!

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They know there was a Flood, but to admit it would mean to accept the Biblical account, ANF that they won't do....

 

[Uncle J]

They know there was a Flood, but to admit it would mean to accept the Biblical account, ANF that they won't do....

Actually, European geologists from the late 1700's and early 1800's, most of whom were devout Christians and believed in the Biblical global flood, were among the first to realize that the data they were seeing didn't support the story (and in many cases directly contradicted it). But being good scientists, they had to follow the data regardless of where it led.

It was quite painful for some of them and they wrote about their struggles. If you'd like, I can send you a link to where you can read some of it.

But overall, it shows that the first geologists to move away from the global flood model didn't do so out of some sort of anti-Bible or anti-God agenda, but were merely doing what scientists are supposed to do.....follow the data.