seeing with spiritual eyes

[K2CHRIST]

2 Cor 5:16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.

Every so often the Lord covers seeing with my spiritual eyes with me. I kinda like hearing with my spiritual ears, but seeing with my spiritual eyes I find weird so I don't do it much. It's always interesting but I am never really sure what to make of it all.

This morning while in the shower I picked up the presence of the Lord and turn my mind to Him. I started picking up a vision of Him out in front of me in the spirit. He seemed to be ready to walk away from me. I could pick up a couple of paths. One down some brambles and another toward a light. I asked Him if He wanted me to come with me, to which He responded by asking me if I wanted to come along. So I inquired as to which way He was going and what was ahead? He explained that now He was going down the path with the light. And I got Him to tell me something about it being a spiritual path.

After the shower I sat down for my usually time with the Lord in which I always start by praying the Lord's prayer. Usually I pick up the voice of the Father at this time, and that was true this morning. He took me to the 2 Cor 5:16 verse above and talked to me about it and also covered a number of the verse around it.

He was talking to me about seeing with my spiritual eyes again. He was explaining that I should no longer be looking for His Son with the eyes of my flesh but by the eyes of heaven, apparently my spiritual eyes, and He wanted me to promote this.

He pointed out 2 Cor 4:18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

And again He want to 2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if the earthy tent which is our house istorn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

When I look with my spiritual eyes I pick up strange things which are questionable. This morning I saw the Lord with two roads. One of bramble and on leading to light. Other days I see angels and see them pointing, fishing, and hear them speaking to me. Another time I saw a giant cartoonish brake on a corvette, and a giant hamburger. Because of that I took my to get a hamburger where they were giving away a corvette as a prize.

He once told me, "Karl, you wouldn't drive your car around this world with your eyes closed, so why do you go around in the spiritual realm with your eyes closed?"

My answer is because it is mostly just strange seeing with my spiritual eyes. How do you tell people you have seen a giant angel, next to a large electric generating windmill, telling me that if I want more power in my life seek the Kingdom of God?

 

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He once told me, "Karl, you wouldn't drive your car around this world with your eyes closed, so why do you go around in the spiritual realm with your eyes closed?"

My answer is because it is mostly just strange seeing with my spiritual eyes. How do you tell people you have seen a giant angel, next to a large electric generating windmill, telling me that if I want more power in my life seek the Kingdom of God?

Maybe you have issues that these sights are trying to tell you? Are you listening?

How many people read these:

Deuteronomy 29:4
Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

Mark 8:18
Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

Romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

and think these refer to physical eyes, physical ears and physical seeing/hearing and heart?

Obviously people who do not believe are NOT walking around without any eyes, ears or heart and these scriptures regarding these parts of the human anatomy are NOT what the scriptures are referring to, THEREFORE these are allegories/similitudes and parables of other matters.

We do not and can not perceive the matters of God, the things of God through the 5 physical senses, sight, hearing, touching, smelling and tasting. These are not the tools of understandings.

In order to listen to God, we have to be trained by the Spirit to LISTEN, to SEE, to HEAR and to FEEL/SMELL in the Spiritual senses in order to understand GODS LANGUAGE.

That language is SIMILITUDE. Understanding His Language comes with some very certain hard set RULES that are laid out in scripture.

WHEN we understand Gods Language, THEN God does actually APPEAR to us before our eyes, NOT in the 5 sense realm, but by The Ways He Communicates, which is through SIMILITUDEs.

 

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Most believers stumble in their spiritual sights over the very first "Rule of Gods House."

This Divine Rule is commonly referred to as the Golden Rule. It is found throughout the scriptures, but my favorite and easiest to understand citing is from Paul in Romans 13:8-10.

I might suggest that every believer gut check this RULE because it is the most commonly vilely violated "Rule of the House." And proves that those who violate it are spiritually lawless, within.

And if they are lawless, there is nothing anyone can do for them, to help them hear and see. God Himself has put them on lockdown. They might think they see and hear but in reality they don't hear or see anything, and are internally deceived.

In that same chapter we can find some other similitude language. The DAY for example in the Spiritual senses is HONESTY. The night or darkness is NOT living under the first rule, the "Rule of the House."

So the second "Rule of the House" is that we are either honest, in the DAY, before God, OR we are liars and hypocrites who will hear or see nothing in the Spiritual arena.

These are the simple rules. They get progressively complex.

Another Divine Rule is that no believer should be denying a single Word that God has spoken, trying to mitigate it or render Gods Words inapplicable on any basis. They all apply. Every Stroke of His Pen is Alive and Active. God in Christ, THE WORD Is Alive and Active, and SPOKE every Word of God that we have. Hebrews 4:12. Believers who deny Gods Word are simply not in Truth, nor are they believers.

Another Divine Rule along these same lines is found in Matt. 4:4 and Luke 4:4. Believers can read it, but do they really believe it? More than likely NOT, because they have not yet submitted to the first rule or the second.

And as a believer, IF you do happen to be led to manage your way through these simple rules, you will quickly see that the majority of believers are in no different shape today than the rulers of the temple were during Jesus' Days ala Matt. 23:28 and Luke 12:1, And you will pity their imposed blindness that God, yes GOD, has put them UNDER, knowing that you are helpless to help them from what God has done to them. Jesus did nothing for those men in those days and He Will Do Nothing for them today.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Maybe you have issues that these sights are trying to tell you? Are you listening?

How many people read these:

Deuteronomy 29:4
Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

Mark 8:18
Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

Romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

and think these refer to physical eyes, physical ears and physical seeing/hearing and heart?

Obviously people who do not believe are NOT walking around without any eyes, ears or heart and these scriptures regarding these parts of the human anatomy are NOT what the scriptures are referring to, THEREFORE these are allegories/similitudes and parables of other matters.

We do not and can not perceive the matters of God, the things of God through the 5 physical senses, sight, hearing, touching, smelling and tasting. These are not the tools of understandings.

In order to listen to God, we have to be trained by the Spirit to LISTEN, to SEE, to HEAR and to FEEL/SMELL in the Spiritual senses in order to understand GODS LANGUAGE.

That language is SIMILITUDE. Understanding His Language comes with some very certain hard set RULES that are laid out in scripture.

WHEN we understand Gods Language, THEN God does actually APPEAR to us before our eyes, NOT in the 5 sense realm, but by The Ways He Communicates, which is through SIMILITUDEs.

Hummm??

Yeah, I guess I kind of agree with what you have written, but you seem to make it rather complicated for me.

Anyway, hearing and seeing with my spiritual ears is not hearing and seeing with my physical ears and eyes. I pick up impressions inside me which are clearly not from me. I have my thinking and for the most part I can figure out my thinking. I pretty much know how I think. Then I can, if I pay attention, pick up other thoughts and ideas, not of me. And when I seek the Lord, it is interesting how fast that usually happens.

For example, I will ask the Lord Jesus Christ a question and I will pick up a different thought than what I had. So I wind up having a conversation with Him. The hearing I kind of like. I especially like talking to the Lord when I am not sure what I want to do. I never know what He is going to respond with, and the response is virtually always wiser than my thoughts, though sometimes He just asks me to take time to think about the problem and goes over my ideas with me. I really get to know Him and His personality by having conversations with Him.

Yet the seeing is so much stranger. To see with my spiritual eyes I also seek impressions from within me, but they often (not always) seem to come across like I am seeing some faint ghostly image in the world around me. There is usually some meaning behind what I see, but even that is weird.

Let me give a couple of examples.

Once I was waiting in a parking lot when I decided look for what I might see with my spiritual eyes. So I tried to pick up something with my spiritual eyes, and I started to get an impression of a large angel standing next to a large palm tree in the parking lot. As I looked I saw the angel acting like he was pulling a cord hanging from the palm. It looked like he was turning on and off and old type light blub with a string. And as I looked closer I saw the palm tree did actually have a light in it. Wow, all the palm trees in the parking lots had lights on them. They had been using the palm trees as light poles of the parking lot and I hadn't noticed. Then the angle made a statement to me. It was something about if I wanted more light in my life, look to the Kingdom of God.

Now all the palm trees were physical, and so were all the lights that I had not noticed until the angel brought them to my attention, but what of the angel. He was certainly not physical, and someone might say he was a figment of my imagination. Yet how come when I started seeking to see with my spiritual eyes I suddenly saw what appeared to be an angel and how come what I saw wound up having meaning, and how was it that the impression of an angel was able to show me something in the physical that I had missed. The only logical conclusion I could reach is that there is a spiritual or heavenly realm around me that I usually just don't take time to look for. And it appears to have beings that are smarter and cleverer than I am.

So you would think I would spend more time looking with my spiritual eyes, given the fact that I could learn more from them, but it is still all a bit weird.

And another thing: It is not just beings like angels that I see. Often when I ask the Kingdom of God to come down I see what looks like a whirl wind or small tornado starting to come down. I used to think I was a sign to me that God answered my prayer and the Kingdom of God did come down. Yet I was talking to the Lord about it one day and what I heard was interesting. He was telling me that the whirl wind was not so much a sign that the Kingdom was coming down, but rather that my prayers were being taken up. He said that our prayers are part of us and like Elijah being taken up to heaven in a whirl wind, so to our prayers are part of us that gets taken up to the heaven. The Spirit of God does that and I am often seeing the Spirit as that whirl wind.

So the seeing in the Spirit, is best when used with my hearing in the Spirit. He once told me that like we have 5 physical senses, we also have 5 spiritual senses and like our physical sense they are supposed to all be used together. So too often, He tells me, I walk around blind because I don't really like using my spiritual sight much.

Now I would think other Christians, who should be people that do indeed hear with the ears and see with their eyes, would understand what I am talking about, but frankly, it seems hard to explain this to others, even "mature Christians".

Often it is a lot like Jer 1:11 The word of the Lord came to me saying, "What do you see Jeremiah? And I said, "I see a rod of an almond tree."

Sometimes the Lord will ask me what I am seeing, and He usually means with my spiritual eyes. So I try a pick up the impression with my spiritual eyes that are in me, and tell Him what I think I am getting. Then He usually gives me some confirmation or information about it.

Jer 1:12 Then the Lord said to me, "You have seen well, for I am watching over My word to perform it."

And He seems to want me to see a whole lot more than do.

 

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And another thing: It is not just beings like angels that I see. Often when I ask the Kingdom of God to come down I see what looks like a whirl wind or small tornado starting to come down. I used to think I was a sign to me that God answered my prayer and the Kingdom of God did come down. Yet I was talking to the Lord about it one day and what I heard was interesting. He was telling me that the whirl wind was not so much a sign that the Kingdom was coming down, but rather that my prayers were being taken up. He said that our prayers are part of us and like Elijah being taken up to heaven in a whirl wind, so to our prayers are part of us that gets taken up to the heaven. The Spirit of God does that and I am often seeing the Spirit as that whirl wind.

I'm not apt to seeing angels. Never saw one. Might not expect to.

I might suggest that with sights such as the whirlwind, there are hard line examples of this particular form of communication from Gods Word that helps us greatly to understand their meanings. The example you gave from Elijah (2 Kings 2) is one aspect, deeply filled with allegorical meanings, but as with any conveyance of information from God it is always always always a two sided aspect with any visions. The other aspect of the whirlwind from one citing is from Job 38, Job 39, where God speaks from the whirlwind. God always always always speaks with a two aspect speech form of speaking. It is found in the whirlwind. The dire aspects can also be found, in Proverbs 1:27 for example. It is also found in the two edged sword of His Words. It is found in good and evil. It is found in upholding and in destruction. It is found in Love and Hate. It is found in every parable and in every allegory and in every similitude. It is also the measure I use to "judge" the validity of any claimant to "visions" and "angels." There are rules that God has given in all these matters. IF they are not followed, then the speaker or the seer is deceived.

When we listen with only ONE EAR, when we see with ONE EYE, as our flesh is again, always always always prone to do, predictably, we are guaranteed to miss these pictures.

So the seeing in the Spirit, is best when used with my hearing in the Spirit. He once told me that like we have 5 physical senses, we also have 5 spiritual senses and like our physical sense they are supposed to all be used together. So too often, He tells me, I walk around blind because I don't really like using my spiritual sight much.

I'd generally agree with your 5 senses statement above, and the TWO entirely different arenas they operate in.

When we try to hear only good, we are in fact deceived. IF we lean only to the dire, we are again, deceived. The flesh always seeks out only one side of the Word. The side of favor. The opposite is true. It is much harder to hear/see with the other ear/eye. The flesh can not go there. It is impossible. It is set by God to be impossible.

The whirlwind is circular. The circuit of the priest is circular. These again speak to the two aspect speakings of God in Christ, rotating on both sides of the ledgers. We are commanded to apply and listen to ALL of it and both sides, and make personal applications of every Word.

Once the patterns are shown to you, you will understand better. God is not random. He is present and active at all times on the earth. And the signs of His Operations are open and revealed after the patterns that He Has Set upon the earth, to those who understand.

If you are intricately familiar with what has transpired PRIOR, from His Written Words, you will understand such sights better, and to know if they are legit, OR NOT. His Word is the measure of legitimacy. You'll find yourself less inclined to need such visions if they are without a purpose, if you have immersed yourself in Word, prior.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I'm not apt to seeing angels. Never saw one. Might not expect to.

Why not? Why are we not seeing angels?

For me, I understand that I don't see them too often because I don't opt to see them. But am I right to choose not to see them? The Lord get's on to me a bit for not using my spiritual eyes, and looking with them. The other day He was going over 2 Cor 4:18 again.

2 Cor 4:18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Yet I tend to look at the things I can see with my physical eyes, instead of my spiritual eyes. When I leave this mortal body and have on only an immortal spiritual body will I concern myself with how a my car is running, if I need to feed my cats, or if my son is going to get paid enough on his new job? Will I not instead converse with the heavenly beings in the Kingdom of God?

So I tend to look at the things seen in this age and not the things not seen in this age. But I can pick up the things not seen, which serve God in the heavens. Those in the Bible did.

Gen 19:1 there came two angels to Sodom
Gen 32:1 And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
Ps 91: 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Ps 104: 4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Jn 1:51 ... ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels... came and spoke with me

So they in the Scriptures saw with their spiritual eyes the Kingdom of God; that is to say they looked not at the things which were seen, but at the things which are not seen. Can that be said about us?

Perhaps we are not apt to see angels, but what does that say about us?

I don't look with my spiritual eyes like I should. That is a confession, because I have heard the Lord of host tell me that I should. I sometimes do though. I was standing in a room with another Christian friend before we were to minister together in a healing ministry. He asked me, "Do you see an angel in this room?" So I looked with my spiritual eyes and vaguely picked up an angel in the far right corner, so I told my friend, "I don't know about you, but I see one standing in that far corner."

"Yeah, that is what I was seeing too," my friend responded.

So I talked to him about the verse above (2 Cor 4:18) that the Lord had been covering with me lately.

What a sinner I am. The Lord our God asks me to look at the things not seen, with my spiritual eyes, and I am not apt to do so. So He gets a friend to ask me to do it, and show me that I can. So why am I not apt to see and angel. It is because with even me I find that with my ears I don't hear and my eyes I don't see; not like I should and can.

Is 6:1-10 ... I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted....Seraphim stood above Him..."Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts, the whole earth is full of His glory"... "Go an tell this people: 'Keep on listening, but do not perceive;. Keep on looking, but do not understand'

Do we understand that this earth is really full of His glory? Do we understand that there is a Kingdom to be seen in our midst? Or are we thinking that we are not apt to see it?

 

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Why not? Why are we not seeing angels?

Angels are, in effect, messengers. There are Holy messengers and evil messengers. I don't have the need to see them, physically perceived. There are more than sufficient messages already in our laps to deal with and to engage, disengage. And there is just as equal an opportunity for deceptions in such engagements, as truth. If there is a need for heavenly deployment, such as with the angel who released Peter and others from prison in Acts 5, I'd expect we'd see them. The demonstrations of these things are somewhat few and scattered in the texts. And such deployments are almost always pictures of the Gospel, in action, such as the opening of prison doors, captives released, the spiritually blinded, being saved. I 'get' the baseline picture. I personally don't see the need for what we can already see in the deployments of these messengers prior. By and large this kind of activity has all but stopped in the churches. But I wouldn't reject such things, if seen, either, if and when the time arrives for such deployments. These things are not my call.

I also know for no uncertain fact that adverse/wicked messengers stand in some pulpits.

2 Corinthians 11:
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Sometimes we see the above more than we care to look at or "deal with." And likewise very often the above have all kinds of "angel tales" to sensationalize in attempts to validate their claims. I have an auto-distrust feature for such tales.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Angels are, in effect, messengers.

We are serving the King. And concerning angels it is written:

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

Not just messengers but ministers. And not just they might be sent out, but are sent to those who will inherit salvation! Not some thing of the future, but those currently rendering service!!

And while it is true that we have both good and evil spirits and the need for discernment of spirits, how good is our discernment if we are not using our spiritual senses? Obviously not good, since it is apparent we are not even considering their existence in our midst, and are ignoring their presence by failing to use our spiritual senses.

Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

So we might tell ourselves we are good and discerning good and evil, but is that true if we are not practicing using our spiritual senses? No it is not! And you would think we could be honest with ourselves. We have a spiritual realm around of that exist of both good and evil, but with our ears we don't hear and with our eyes we don't see. That is evident by our own testimonies. I can see that with me.

I usually hear from the Lord with my spiritual ears about a dozen times a day, which is very poor. And most days I don't see anything all day with my spiritual eyes. That is not always true though. When I go and serve weekly in the Christian healing ministry I am in, I see and hear with my spiritual senses. And when I look, I start seeing. When I seek, I start finding. But I don't do it most of the time. I see that with myself.

And I am probably not different that others, or so I think. So I put out questions and comments to find out who it is with others? And what amazes me is that most Christians, even many seemingly very dedicated Christians don't even admit they are not practicing using their spiritual senses to themselves.

The Lord Jesus Christ said He would never leave us. So we obviously should be listening to Him all day long, and hearing what He has to say to us many times each day, as someone who is always with us. And He is a King who has a kingdom. He said His kingdom is not of this world, and to seek first the Kingdom of God, and that all those who seek find. So if I say that I have not seen angels, what was the problem. Was it that the Kingdom of God was not in my midst, or that I was just not seeking it?

I can be honest with myself , right?

I usually don't seek it like I should. But sometimes I do seek it, and I find the King, My Lord, who sits on the throne in a kingdom. So angels I have talked to and seen with my spiritual eyes, many times. And I can give you testimonies and tell you things I have been told.

One day I got this little parable:

There was an ant carrying a big load to the top of a large ant hill. It seems to the ant that he had to work very hard for a very long time to get that load to the top of that high hill. At the same time was a little boy looking down on that same ant hill, and the little boy decided to jump right on top of it.

The question is; What your view point of heaven? You must become like that little boy looking to jump right into heaven.