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Should Christians be drunk in the spirit?

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Should Christians be drunk in the spirit? Is the following video Biblical?

[youtube:3cfkla2l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPrwXU23xw[/youtube:3cfkla2l]
 
radorth said:
What you seek you will find I am sure.

I am sorry, but this does not answer my question. Please try again. :yes
 
Dave Slayer,

Asking a one line questions and posting a YouTube video does not constitute my idea of a thread topic. You are literally spamming the Apologetics & Theology section with threads like this. Please refrain from repeating this trend. If you have a genuine question or topic that you would like to discuss please use your own words and be descriptive. YouTube videos aren't cutting it for topical conversation I'm afraid.

Thanks,

Josh
 
cybershark5886 said:
Dave Slayer,

Asking a one line questions and posting a YouTube video does not constitute my idea of a thread topic. You are literally spamming the Apologetics & Theology section with threads like this. Please refrain from repeating this trend. If you have a genuine question or topic that you would like to discuss please use your own words and be descriptive. YouTube videos aren't cutting it for topical conversation I'm afraid.

Thanks,

Josh

These are genuine, I just have a lot of posts today, that is all. Sometimes videos can help describe something that I cannot. I disagree that one liners aren't "good enough". Perhaps I will discontinue posting in this part of the forum for a while. Next time I have a lot of videos, I will combine them all in one thread, how does that sound? That way I am not "spamming". ;)
 
Dave Slayer said:
These are genuine, I just have a lot of posts today, that is all. Sometimes videos can help describe something that I cannot. Next time, I will combine everything in one thread, how does that sound?

Ok, well I wish that would be a little more transparent, but all I'm trying to do is keep the forums from being spammed. I'm not trying to be bossy. Maybe after you post your videos you could add atleast a word or two of what you think might be an answer to the question? Surely you have an opinion, and it would help the conversation pick up more.

Just a suggestion. No worries mate. ;)

Thanks,

Josh
 
cybershark5886 said:
Dave Slayer said:
These are genuine, I just have a lot of posts today, that is all. Sometimes videos can help describe something that I cannot. Next time, I will combine everything in one thread, how does that sound?

Ok, well I wish that would be a little more transparent, but all I'm trying to do is keep the forums from being spammed. I'm not trying to be bossy. Maybe after you post your videos you could add atleast a word or two of what you think might be an answer to the question? Surely you have an opinion, and it would help the conversation pick up more.

Just a suggestion. No worries mate. ;)

Thanks,

Josh

I am glad you are trying to keep the forums from being spammed. I am not trying to spam the forums with these posts. Sometimes when I post one liners, I am just interested in what others think. There are times where I will post my thoughts and there are times where I just want to sit back and see what everyone else thinks. But I will keep my posting under control so I don't overload the forum with too many posts like this. I apologize for the incovenience.

God Bless!

Dave
 
We pretty much know what he thinks and why he posts such large quantities of them.
 
As for the video you posted, that is complete lunacy and disorder! Holy Laughing and similar things like being Slain in the Spirit are largely unbiblical and I have written a paper on it explaning why I think so. Would you like to read it? If so send me your e-mail address in a PM and I'll send it to you.

I don't call what I saw in the video joy but rather rather lack of discipline and emotional sensationalism. One lady started the "holy laughter" thing in the congregation at my Mom's church once and the Pastor addressed her immediately and said "No, not now. You hold that till later on your own time." He stopped it before it could get started, and that's the way you have to do it to keep order, lest you get a sanctuary full of people jumping up and down like monkeys like in the video.

P.S. If you don't mind the direct question, are you are Christian at all? I'm just wondering because that paper I wrote on being Slain in the Spirit relies heavily on biblical authority and if you don't believe in what the Bible says then I'm afraid it won't mean much to you. Just wondering.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
cybershark5886 said:
P.S. If you don't mind the direct question, are you are Christian at all? I'm just wondering because that paper I wrote on being Slain in the Spirit relies heavily on biblical authority and if you don't believe in what the Bible says then I'm afraid it won't mean much to you. Just wondering.

God Bless,

~Josh

Yes, I am a Christian! :yes

I have been saved since December 26, 1996. I was 19 at the time. :-)
 
Dave Slayer said:
Yes, I am a Christian! :yes

I have been saved since December 26, 1996. I was 19 at the time. :-)

Well, that's great to hear! Do you want to read that paper that I wrote? You might find it useful if you truely want to dig deeper into the issue (although I'm not an "expert" on the topic). If so, just send me a PM like I said and I'll try to e-mail it to you soon. But it's almost midnight here so I need to get to bed.

G'night,

~Josh
 
cybershark5886 said:
Dave Slayer said:
Yes, I am a Christian! :yes

I have been saved since December 26, 1996. I was 19 at the time. :-)

Well, that's great to hear! Do you want to read that paper that I wrote? You might find it useful if you truely want to dig deeper into the issue (although I'm not an "expert" on the topic). If so, just send me a PM like I said and I'll try to e-mail it to you soon. But it's almost midnight here so I need to get to bed.

G'night,

~Josh

Sure, I would love to read your paper! :-)
 
As for the video you posted, that is complete lunacy and disorder!

Hi Josh,

I'm for freedom of the press but I've understood that to be for the written word, videos are not included. If we take the example of 'barking like dogs' I say 'can it' or remove the video and keep the topic if that is what people want to discuss.

blessings
 
If this is anything but UTTER LUNACY I have no way of seeing it.

Blessings,

MEC
 
Paul, when admonishing the church in Corinth, did not call their salvation into question. He did not call them "monkeys" or any other such thing but commanded them to do all things unto edification of the body and in an orderly manner.

He asked, "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?" :screwloose

I'm not trying to say that the people in the video were "speaking in tongues". Only that they were not following clear biblical principles. It's easy to think they are crazed but I would here advise a word of caution.

We don't want to be like Michal, the daughter of Saul who loved David but... When David brought the Ark of the Covenant into the city she saw him playing and dancing before the lord. She loved him but...

2Sa 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.

Through her window she saw the King dancing and playing and despised him in her heart. Her King David was adorned as a Priest - we see that he had on an "ephod" of linen.

×Âפד / ×Âפוד
'êphôd
BDB Definition:
1) ephod
1a) priestly garment, shoulder-cape or mantle, outer garment
1a1) worn by an ordinary priest and made of white stuff
1a2) worn by the high priest - more costly, woven of gold, blue, purple, scarlet, and linen threads provided with shoulder-pieces and a breast piece of like material, ornamented with gems and gold
________________________

Why did Michal despise her husband in her heart? He was 'supposed' to be the King! There he was, dressed as a Priest: 2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal, Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

Would that Paul were here to see and admonish us and correct us rightly so that we might not become a mockery before unbelievers and believers (unlearned) alike. But also would that we, as believers were able to learn not to judge according to our eyes, nor according to our ears but to judge with righteous judgment. Then again, why call for Paul when we have the Holy Spirit in us to teach us all things? I think that the things we see in the video are given as a snare. How can a bird (us) be caught when the snare is laid in its sight?

Pray understand my tone here though. I'm not "setting my hand against" those who remark honestly about what we have seen. I've heard the saying, "Don't be drunk like a skunk - but hear-it, be ye filled with the Spirit" (wherein there is no excess).

Clearly, when we see our brother sinning (not talking about sin that leads to death here) we are to Ask God for him and He will give them life. Why are there divisions in the Body? Is Christ divided? If we judge with our eyes only, yes.

~Sparrowhawke
 
Imagican said:
If this is anything but UTTER LUNACY I have no way of seeing it.

Blessings,

MEC

I feel sick to the stomach when I see things like this. It is an abomination!
 
Should Christians be "drunk in the Spirit" ??
No. We are admonished specifically not to be filled with wine but to be filled with the HOLY Spirit werein there is no excess.

Again though, the balance of this is the lesson from Michal to those who see.
2Sa 6:20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, "How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!"

She didn't like seeing the "King Priest" wearing the ephod (priestly robes). We can hear the sarcasm dripping off her lips --- now contrast this to the Spirit that was shown within David who had opportunity to slay Saul but withheld his hand, saying rather, "Touch not the anointed". Saul was the anointed King. What is our God saying in these passages?

I'm not trying to protect under-shepherds who exploit the sheep in any manner but I can not force this conclusion onto what I see here any more than I could onto any other church. Shall I judge by my eye only? Or by my ear? If man's senses were enough to be able to judge such what need we of Jesus? Let us go to our Father and pray according to His will - that each person who is involved in something clearly outside of biblical principles be considered by Him and that He acts in their lives to bring each person to the full truth regarding His spirit. These are matters that must needs be left to Him and untouched by us.

~Sparrow
 
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