Slain from the foundation of the world

[savedbygrace57]

slain from the foundation ! -

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rev 13:

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Look at these words here inspired by the Holy Ghost through His servant John " The lamb slain from the foundation of the world"

This scripture tells us that Jesus Christ blood was shed decretive from the foundation, and actually when Christ died upon the cross in time. The question is, is there any difference in Gods perspective, which is eternal, as to when to declare them not guilty for whom Christ was slain for their sins and in their stead.

That Christ was the lamb slain from before the foundation shows that God in precreation, eternity, did impute the sins of the elect world unto Christ Judicially. Therefore He decreatively received by imputation the sins of the elect [ the many brethren] before all creation, and this of course makes certain of the elects existence in time, in order to commit the sins that had been laid upon Jesus Christ. The Father gave all the election of grace unto the Son before the foundation of the world [ see jn 17:2 & heb 2:13]

and so this inevitably meant their existence in time to display His saving grace, this made certain the lives of the elect in time, certain in our natural state..

Paul speaks to this in acts 17:

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation..

The very fact that Christ came out of heaven to die for sins, is proof positive, that in a real decretive sense, our sins [ the elect] had been imputed unto Him already, again He was slain from the foundation of the world..

This is a Gospel Truth in the lines of 2 tim 1:

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[glorydaz]

That Christ was the lamb slain from before the foundation shows that God in precreation, eternity, did impute the sins of the elect world unto Christ Judicially. Therefore He decreatively received by imputation the sins of the elect [ the many brethren] before all creation, and this of course makes certain of the elects existence in time, in order to commit the sins that had been laid upon Jesus Christ. The Father gave all the election of grace unto the Son before the foundation of the world [ see jn 17:2 & heb 2:13]

There you go....adding the word "elect" to the Word of God where it was not written.

It was foreordained that the Lamb be slain...but manifest at the cross.

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Abraham looked forward to Christ's coming...he was justified by his faith in a future event.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

It was at the cross that our Lord offered up His blood to provide an access to God for all men.
Through faith they enter in to obtain life and fellowship with God. He opened the door, we need just step through.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Faith needs to be mixed in before it profits.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 

[Ret]

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SbG...is this your own study, or are these thoughts from someone else...?

rev 13:

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Look at these words here inspired by the Holy Ghost through His servant John " The lamb slain from the foundation of the world"

This scripture tells us that Jesus Christ blood was shed decretive from the foundation, and actually when Christ died upon the cross in time. The question is, is there any difference in Gods perspective, which is eternal, as to when to declare them not guilty for whom Christ was slain for their sins and in their stead.

That Christ was the lamb slain from before the foundation shows that God in precreation, eternity, did impute the sins of the elect world unto Christ Judicially. Therefore He decreatively received by imputation the sins of the elect [ the many brethren] before all creation, and this of course makes certain of the elects existence in time, in order to commit the sins that had been laid upon Jesus Christ. The Father gave all the election of grace unto the Son before the foundation of the world [ see jn 17:2 & heb 2:13]

John 17:2 and heb 2:13 don't say anything about 'elect', or 'imputation' or the 'Judicial' work of Christ, ....or the 'election of grace'...?

Without a good foundation, backed by scripture this presentation seems a bit scattered. That said, I do think this is a subject worthy of discussion and hope you persevere...Ret

 

[savedbygrace57]

The scriptures teach that Christ died for the sins of Gods people isa 53:

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for[because of] the transgression of my people was he stricken.

and that the wages of sin was death, and that Christ was slain from the foundation of the world, this reasonably concludes, that the sins of God's people [ the elect] were laid on Christ by imputation, before all creation, and they did decratively slay him before all creation..

And it goes without saying, in light of Christ receiving imputatively the sins of His people before the foundation, then likewise, and in like manner, His people received the merits of His passive and active obedience, the imputation of His righteousness unto them, Justification by His blood, and reconciliation unto God, the actual payment in time being the cross of Christ, but the blessings were theirs decreatively and by eternal purpose, by the grace given them before the world began 2 tim 1:

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

But in time we the elect receive these blessings of grace experimentally during our life time. Its then that the elect, Gods people receive the knowledge of their salvation by the remission of their sins, by the blood of Christ, the mediator of the new covenant..

Lk 1:

77T o give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

eph 1:

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

matt 26:

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[glorydaz]

The scriptures teach that Christ died for the sins of Gods people isa 53:

It's very important we don't diminish the work of the Cross.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
The iniquity of mankind was laid upon Him, that mankind could gain access to God.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He died for the sins of the whole world...not just a select few.
Many are called but few are chosen.
All men have access to God because of the cross. Those who believe enter into eternal life.

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

That they should seek Him..if haply they might feel after him, and find him....
God commanded all men every where to repent.

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Ret]

The scriptures teach that Christ died for the sins of Gods people isa 53:

It's very important we don't diminish the work of the Cross.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
The iniquity of mankind was laid upon Him, that mankind could gain access to God.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Also it is very important for us...each individual to understand our position before the throne of God on the day of judgment. If we don't see our own sinful state, that we too, have 'GONE our OWN WAY' ...neither will we see a need for the work of the Cross. Therefore, we will see NO NEED for the righteousness of Christ to be IMPUTED to us.

• Romans 4:6-8
  
  6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man,
  unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
  
  7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
  
  8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. KJV
  
  

 

[savedbygrace57]

Now too, If Jesus was slain from the foundation as it clearly states in rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Then also decreatively He rose from death from the foundation of the world, meaning that those whom He was slain for, were Justified before the foundation world by the decree of God..rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for [on account of] our justification

Jesus resurrection in time confirmed the eternal decision of God that because of Christ being slain, Those whom He was slain in behalf are Justified, Hence He rose from the grave after having had their sins imputed to Him, and He dying for them and in their stead..

 

[Ret]

Now too, If Jesus was slain from the foundation as it clearly states in rev 13:8

SbG...there are no IFs in God's plan. The only IFs are in the mind of the flesh!

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Then also decreatively He rose from death from the foundation of the world, meaning that those whom He was slain for, were Justified before the foundation world by the decree of God..rom 4:25

God decrees, God ordains a plan and it IS...

What God decreed, ordained before the world, was 'HIDDEN WISDOM' that came to be made 'manifest' at the coming of Jesus Christ and since that time is now made manifest in the bride of Christ - His church!

• 1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, KJV
  
  1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,
  even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: KJV

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for [on account of] our justification

Jesus resurrection in time confirmed the eternal decision of God that because of Christ being slain, Those whom He was slain in behalf are Justified, Hence He rose from the grave after having had their sins imputed to Him, and He dying for them and in their stead..

Personally, this a wonderful thought...'my sin(s) were 'IMPUTED' to Jesus Christ! POWERFUL! But, God isn't saving just me...God is saving a family...

AND...most people who are outwardly good people and never do anything 'wrong' do not see themselves as sinners. Oh, they have some 'passed sins' that God will 'overlook' but to many Christians, what does the word 'IMPUTED' mean, and what is the need for justification...you find the scriptures, then they say 'that doesn't apply to me'...'I'm not doing anything wrong'!

 

[glorydaz]

Now too, If Jesus was slain from the foundation as it clearly states in rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Then also decreatively He rose from death from the foundation of the world, meaning that those whom He was slain for, were Justified before the foundation world by the decree of God..rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for [on account of] our justification
Let's back that portion of scripture up just a bit...Speaking of Abraham....he staggered not..he was fully persuaded and able to perform...if we believe...all speaking to man's free will.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Jesus resurrection in time confirmed the eternal decision of God that because of Christ being slain, Those whom He was slain in behalf are Justified, Hence He rose from the grave after having had their sins imputed to Him, and He dying for them and in their stead..

That's the problem with forming a doctrine based on one verse.
All of scripture must be taken into consideration.
He was not slain from the foundation of the World...His death was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The verse in Rev. is referring to the plan of salvation, not the actual slaying. Which is why Jesus said, "It is finished" when He was on the cross.

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

In the same way...He foreknew who would answer His call.
Many are called but few are chosen...not all those He died for will be justified.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

...not all those He died for will be justified.

What scripture says this ?

 

[savedbygrace57]

ret says:

Personally, this a wonderful thought...'my sin(s) were 'IMPUTED' to Jesus Christ! POWERFUL! But, God isn't saving just me...God is saving a family...

You better hope you are part of that family..

 

[glorydaz]

glory says:

...not all those He died for will be justified.

What scripture says this ?

Christ died for the ungodly...

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Only those who have faith are justified.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

Christ died for the ungodly...

Sure, the elect are that way by nature..

Only those who have faith are justified.
Romans 5:1 wrote:
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Right, only those who have been given faith are Justified, one not having faith is not Justified by the blood of christ..before faith, one is Justified by the blood of christ rom 5:9a

Much more then, being now justified by his blood,

Faith is given by allotment 2 pet 1:

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Its alloted to the elect of God titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

 

[glorydaz]

Right, only those who have been given faith are Justified, one not having faith is not Justified by the blood of christ..before faith, one is Justified by the blood of christ rom 5:9a
Much more then, being now justified by his blood,
We're justified by our faith in the blood...that's believing Christ shed his blood for our sins.

1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

We were reconciled to God by the cross...
[quote="Romans 5:10":2h8xophq]For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Faith is given by allotment 2 pet 1:
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Its alloted to the elect of God titus 1:1
Yes, a "measure of faith" is alloted.
Then we can add to our faith, increase it.
There's also the saving faith that comes from hearing the Word of God.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him....faith cometh by hearing and believing.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[/quote:2h8xophq]

Christ dying for the ungodly is reconciliation, not justification.
All men are reconciled to God by the blood of Jesus Christ.
They now have access to God.

We are justified by our faith in the Lord...believing that He gave Himself that we might have life.
All men are reconciled, but not all men are justified.

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

Christ dying for the ungodly is reconciliation, not justification.

Reconciliation and Justification are inseperably connected with the blood of christ, the elect are reconciled by christ blood [ His death ] per rom 5:

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death[blood] of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Death and blood are the same..

And the elect were Justified by His blood rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

You sound like you reject that men were Justified by christ blood..

 

[glorydaz]

glory says:

Christ dying for the ungodly is reconciliation, not justification.

Reconciliation and Justification are inseperably connected with the blood of christ, the elect are reconciled by christ blood [ His death ] per rom 5:

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death[blood] of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Yes, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God...exactly what I said. That happened, of course by the work on the cross. Jesus' death on the cross reconciled all men to God. Not just the elect...all men were reconciled. Then...much more, now that we are reconciled, we can be saved by the grace of God through faith. All men are reconciled...(many are called), but few have faith (but few are chosen - now you can say elect.). Death and blood are the same..

And the elect were Justified by His blood rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

You sound like you reject that men were Justified by christ blood..

It may sound like that to you, but that's because you're missing the point I was making.

Christ dying for the ungodly is reconciliation, not justification.

Ya know? I read that chapter three times and I never once saw the word "elect".
What version of the Bible do you use?

Christ died for all men...reconciliation to God.
Only those who have faith are justified...by His blood, by His grace, by His work on the cross.

The work on the cross reconciled man to God.
We're justified by our faith...our faith is accounted to us as righteousness.
Without faith, man can not be justified, even though the prison doors have been opened and man now has access to God. Not everyone, obviously, will open the door and enter in.

 

[savedbygrace57]

It may sound like that to you, but that's because you're missing the point I was making.

Your point is obselete and dishonorable to the blood of christ, for the elect, those for whom Christ died, are Justified by the blood of Jesus and you deny this..rom 5:

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

By His Grace titus 3:

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The bible never teaches the error you teach that men are Justified by their Faith..the elect are Justified by christ Faith, or Faithfulness..

So you deny Justification by the blood and grace of Jesus christ alone..

 

[glorydaz]

It may sound like that to you, but that's because you're missing the point I was making.

Your point is obselete and dishonorable to the blood of christ, for the elect, those for whom Christ died, are Justified by the blood of Jesus and you deny this..rom 5:

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

By His Grace titus 3:

7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The bible never teaches the error you teach that men are Justified by their Faith ..the elect are Justified by christ Faith, or Faithfulness..

So you deny Justification by the blood and grace of Jesus christ alone..

As I've said. You obviously don't read what I post...nor, apparently, do you understand what I've said.
I'll quote myself from an earlier post...please make sure you don't accuse me of saying something I didn't. I only have so much patience...and you're trying it. :yes

Only those who have faith are justified...by His blood, by His grace, and by His work on the cross.

And, it would be so nice if you could refrain from making false accusations.
That's hardly becoming from one of the "elect".

The Bible does teach we are justified by faith....Please read here.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 3:24 - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[savedbygrace57]

glory says:

The Bible does teach we are justified by faith....Please read here.

By Christ Faith..not mans Faith..Christ Faith comes to those that are Justified by His blood..

 

[glorydaz]

glory says:

The Bible does teach we are justified by faith....Please read here.

By Christ Faith..not mans Faith..Christ Faith comes to those that are Justified by His blood..

There is the faith of Christ....and there is the faith of man.
A measure of faith is given, we're justified by our faith in Him.
There are hundreds of verses I could put, but will just give you these.

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.