Spiritual Israel?

[F345T]

Do you believe the Israel of the Bible, the children of God, are a spiritual race or a physical race, and why?

This is a simple question of paramount importance.

Please provide verses to make your case and discuss your viewpoints in peaceful acceptance of both sides.

God bless.

 

[F345T]

22 views and nobody is willing to pick a side?

What happened to being bold for Christ? This is shameful. I'd love to see exactly who has viewed and refused to participate. All of the Mods and staff should be able to quickly take a stand one way or the other.

Very disappointing.

 

[F345T]

Do you believe Israel is one specific race of people upon the earth; black, white, red, yellow, brown, etc?

That would be Israel as a physical race.

Do you believe Israel is made up of many races of people upon the earth?

That would be Israel as a spiritual race?

Answer accordingly.

 

[Who Me]

This is a simple question

But it is not a simple question.
Even in the OT there were those who loved God and worshipped him faithfully, while others merely conformed to the rules.
Today you have both of those types in the political nation of Israel as well as those who are racially and politically Israel but spiritually dead.
Then you have those who have no racial link with Israel but through Jesus have been grafted in to Israel.


The only question that is important is.
Who is Christ's?

 

[JT4444]

Do you believe the Israel of the Bible, the children of God, are a spiritual race or a physical race, and why?

This is a simple question of paramount importance.

Please provide verses to make your case and discuss your viewpoints in peaceful acceptance of both sides.

God bless.

I don't think you can put labels like that on a group that contains millions of people. Don't generalize or stereotype.

 

[F345T]

But it is not a simple question.

Well, the question is simple. Do you believe the Israel of the Bible, God's Children are of one specific physical race upon the earth or do you believe they are a spiritual race - meaning made up of many various races?

Simple.

Even in the OT there were those who loved God and worshipped him faithfully, while others merely conformed to the rules.

Yes, of course. And the former would be the Children of God ... the Israel of the Bible.

Today you have both of those types in the political nation of Israel as well as those who are racially and politically Israel but spiritually dead.
Then you have those who have no racial link with Israel but through Jesus have been grafted in to Israel.

Well now, you're using the term Israel here with multiple definitions. It is clear that you do understand that there is a physical Israel, defined by worldly standards, and an Israel of God, defined by the Bible.

The only question that is important is.
Who is Christ's?

Yes, and those who are Christ's are Biblical Israel, they are the Children of God.

So, since you've made it clear that you do understand, I can now ask you again - with no possibility of ambivalence.

Do you believe the Israel of the Bible, God's Children, are a physical race or a spiritual race?

You've actually already answered so please answer in the poll since you do understand clearly.

God bless.

 

[F345T]

I don't think you can put labels like that on a group that contains millions of people. Don't generalize or stereotype.

It is very simple conceptually, JT. You are complicating it.

The Israel, as defined in the Bible, can only be physical or spiritual. There is no in-between, it cannot be both.

God's Children can only be one specific genetic race of people upon the earth or they are a spiritual race made up of many various races.

What do you believe the Bible teaches on the subject?

 

[JT4444]

It is very simple conceptually, JT. You are complicating it.

The Israel, as defined in the Bible, can only be physical or spiritual. There is no in-between, it cannot be both.

God's Children can only be one specific genetic race of people upon the earth or they are a spiritual race made up of many various races.

What do you believe the Bible teaches on the subject?

Sorry. I misread your post.

Israel is literal in much of the Bible. I believe it's used figuratively as well, but I can't think of an example.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you believe the Israel of the Bible, the children of God, are a spiritual race or a physical race, and why?

This is a simple question of paramount importance.

Please provide verses to make your case and discuss your viewpoints in peaceful acceptance of both sides.

God bless.

It's not such a simple question.
Israel meant a race. The one God revealed Himself to.
But He told Abraham his seed would be as plentiful as the stars.
And, indeed, with the NC this came about.
So it was physical at the beginning, but now it's spiritual.

It's the same with being Jewish.
It's both a nationality and a religious belief system.

Israel was the son of God.
Now we are all sons of God. (those that believe and belong to the New Covenant).

Interesting thread.
Hope to go thru it tomorrow.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry. I misread your post.

Israel is literal in much of the Bible. I believe it's used figuratively as well, but I can't think of an example.

Israel was the son of God.
Exodus 4:22

 

[F345T]

it was physical at the beginning, but now it's spiritual.

Agreed.

 

[F345T]

with the NC this came about.

Always hate to ask, but .... the NC?

 

[F345T]

It has come to my attention that many are afraid to participate in this thread out of fear of antisemitism allegations. That is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about neutralizing and silencing the efforts of the Black Hebrew Israelite and White Christian Identity movements to perpetuate and ignite a race war.

There are already enough problems between the races without a Biblical excuse for hatred and tension that is completely fraudulent and unnecessary.

With the Biblical fact of the Israel of God being a Spiritual race being brought to the light, these trends are demolished. It is very important that this discussion take place in every corner of the internet and in all Christian Discussion Forums. I hope and pray that the truth of this matter can be revealed in order to save our societies from further ruin.