Temple

[n2thelight]

Contrary to what you all(preterist)think,as well as many other's,the temple was not totally destroyed in 70ad.....

In other words,all the stones were not thrown down,as per Matt 24

Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives
The view of old Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives where Jesus would give his teaching in Matthew 24 was beautiful. There is no other place in Jerusalem to view the city like this.

The Mount of Olives is to the East of the present Golden Gates. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles a person would look West to view the beloved city. There could be seen the rectangular walls made of large stones perfectly laid one upon another.

The walls of the city enclose the Temple, several buildings, many homes, and the tower of Antonia. Around the Temple there are other walls known today as the Haram esh-Sharif (the Noble Enclosure). The stones of the lower courses in those walls are "STILL" in their exact positions as they were in the days of Jesus.

They are STILL one on top of the other and do not appear to have been moved from their original alignments. These lower stones are clearly from the era of Herod's temple, and in some places on the eastern side the large stones were laid by someone before Herod's remodel job, perhaps by Nehemiah. It is now known from excavations and archaeological digs that there are more hundreds of these stones still in the SAME place as they were in the time of Herod and Jesus. Did the prophecy of Jesus fail? What then is the interpretation of this?

Judgment upon Jerusalem not yet Complete.

I believed this before reading this article

 

[Stormcrow]

Contrary to what you all(preterist)think,as well as many other's,the temple was not totally destroyed in 70ad.....

In other words,all the stones were not thrown down,as per Matt 24

Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives
The view of old Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives where Jesus would give his teaching in Matthew 24 was beautiful. There is no other place in Jerusalem to view the city like this.

The Mount of Olives is to the East of the present Golden Gates. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles a person would look West to view the beloved city. There could be seen the rectangular walls made of large stones perfectly laid one upon another.

The walls of the city enclose the Temple, several buildings, many homes, and the tower of Antonia. Around the Temple there are other walls known today as the Haram esh-Sharif (the Noble Enclosure). The stones of the lower courses in those walls are "STILL" in their exact positions as they were in the days of Jesus.

They are STILL one on top of the other and do not appear to have been moved from their original alignments. These lower stones are clearly from the era of Herod's temple, and in some places on the eastern side the large stones were laid by someone before Herod's remodel job, perhaps by Nehemiah. It is now known from excavations and archaeological digs that there are more hundreds of these stones still in the SAME place as they were in the time of Herod and Jesus. Did the prophecy of Jesus fail? What then is the interpretation of this?

Judgment upon Jerusalem not yet Complete.

I believed this before reading this article

:biglol:toofunny

Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited.

This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind.

Josephus, Wars, 7.1.1

 

[n2thelight]

"And their word will eat as doth a canker; of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some."

 

[n2thelight]

Josephus tells us this: "When he [Titus] entirely demolished the rest of the city, and overthrew its walls, he left these towers [the three towers mentioned above] as a monument of his good fortune, which had proved [the destructive power of] his auxiliaries, and enabled him to take what could not otherwise have been taken by him" (War VI.9,1).

 

[Sinthesis]

Some people won't believe even the Word of God if it contradicts their favorite end times fantasies. Perhaps that's why prophecy is for believers.

Mat 24:1 ¶ And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 - And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mar 13:1 ¶ And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings [are here]!
Mar 13:2 - And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 19:41 ¶ And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 - Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things [which belong] unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 - For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 - And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luk 21:5 ¶ And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 - [As for] these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.​

I believe Jesus' prophecies concerning the destruction of the temple were of no private interpretation, and showed themselves to be fulfilled within the generation He gave them.

 

[Stormcrow]

Josephus tells us this: "When he [Titus] entirely demolished the rest of the city, and overthrew its walls, he left these towers [the three towers mentioned above] as a monument of his good fortune, which had proved [the destructive power of] his auxiliaries, and enabled him to take what could not otherwise have been taken by him" (War VI.9,1).

How does that in any way, shape, or form contradict what I posted???

 

[Stormcrow]

Some people won't believe even the Word of God if it contradicts their favorite end times fantasies. Perhaps that's why prophecy is for believers.

Mat 24:1 ¶ And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 - And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mar 13:1 ¶ And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings [are here]!
Mar 13:2 - And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 19:41 ¶ And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 - Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things [which belong] unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 - For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 - And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luk 21:5 ¶ And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 - [As for] these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.​

I believe Jesus' prophecies concerning the destruction of the temple were of no private interpretation, and showed themselves to be fulfilled within the generation He gave them.

"Ignorance" is a word used that could be used to describe the condition of those who deny a given interpretation of the Bible.

There's another word that better describes the condition of those who deny settled history.

 

[n2thelight]

Here's the bottom line,you all can call it what you want but the fact remains,in the end Christ will defend Jerusalem from her enemies....

That didn't happen in ad70

Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

This beloved city is Jerusalem where Jesus Christ and His temple will be at the close of the Millennium age. It is here where the glory of God is, and God's fire from heaven will come down to devour Satan and all his followers.

 

[Sinthesis]

Here's the bottom line,you all can call it what you want but the fact remains,in the end Christ will defend Jerusalem from her enemies....

That didn't happen in ad70

Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

This beloved city is Jerusalem where Jesus Christ and His temple will be at the close of the Millennium age. It is here where the glory of God is, and God's fire from heaven will come down to devour Satan and all his followers.

Old Jerusalem or New Jerusalem? Physical or Spiritual? Does God love places or people?

In 70AD one third of Jerusalem were enemies of God. Two thirds survived and have been protected ever since.

 

[n2thelight]

Old Jerusalem or New Jerusalem? Physical or Spiritual? Does God love places or people?

In 70AD one third of Jerusalem were enemies of God. Two thirds survived and have been protected ever since.

Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

The above scripture states that those that compassed the saints were killed by God,now!how many of the Roman are was thus devoured?

 

[Stormcrow]

Enlightening information presented here:

Is the Millennium Past, Present or Future? | Eschatology - AllThingsFulfilled.Com

Here's a snippet:

Now, here is the point of disagreement. Jesus’ words are not true. That’s it. That’s where Preterism, Amillennialism, and Dispensationalism disagree. Here is what we mean.


Jesus said, speaking or the time of the fall of Jerusalem in the first century, “For these are the days of vengeance, that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED, Luke 21:20. In the same chapter he said, “Assuredly, I say to you, THIS GENERATION WILL BY NO MEANS PASS AWAY TILL ALL THINGS TAKE PLACE. (Luke 21:32).


Those two verses are the who crux of the matter between the futurism of Amillennialism and Dispensationalism versus the past fulfillment of Preterism.


Futurists deny that Jesus told the truth when he said, all things would be fulfilled at Jerusalem’s fall by the Romans in AD 70. Preterists accept the words as true.


Futurists deny that the generation then living could not pass away will all things written took place. Preterism affirms they did all happen before that generation passed.


Since therefore, the Lord placed the fulfillment of all Bible prophecy at the time of Jerusalem’s fall within the first century generation, and since the arrival of the new heavens and earth (our major point of agreement) is the fulfillment of all Bible prophecy, then the millennium is past.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[n2thelight]

Enlightening information presented here:

Is the Millennium Past, Present or Future? | Eschatology - AllThingsFulfilled.Com

Here's a snippet:



Take it for what it's worth.

So when is the end of the milenium?

 

[Stormcrow]

So when is the end of the milenium?

Did you read the link?

 

[n2thelight]

So when is the end of the milenium?

Straight foolishness,the milenium does not start until the last trump and since Paul said we would all be changed at that time.......You know the rest..........

 

[Stormcrow]

Straight foolishness,the milenium does not start until the last trump and since Paul said we would all be changed at that time.......You know the rest..........

Well, at least you read it.

 

[reba]

Thanks Lehigh



Sounds like one i would like to read..


I have hijacked this thread i will see if and how to move the tabernacle post. This thread is on the Temple... totopic


EDIT: I did it! Storm , Lehigh if your looking for your posts they are here tabernacle or temple