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The fulfillment of a major prophecy

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One of the most important prophecies of the Bible is the judgment of the Beast. The Beast (the embodiment of evil) of Revelation is, according to Daniel, the most powerful kingdom that ever existed.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea...
The verse references [1] Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Daniel 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

The most powerful kingdom/state that ever existed is America.
- The United States has active duty military troops stationed in nearly 150 countries.[2]
- The United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad.[3]
- The United States military spends more than the next 9 countries combined in 2023.[4]

But what illegality has America done that she must be judged?
World organized crime has gained revenues in the amount of tens of thousands of billions of dollars in recent decades. Today, there are no known billionaires from illicit activities. There aren't tens or hundreds of billionaires in dollars missing, but thousands of billionaires. The combined wealth of organized crime is much higher than the wealth of all the billionaires in the world.[5] If the vast private wealth of the world's organized crime is missing, it means that the Western states are those that organize and use the profits from illicit activities.

There are only two options: Western states are involved in illegal activities or Western states are not involved in illegal activities, in which case organized crime is the main force in the global economy (because organized crime is richer than all the legal billionaires in the world). No industry or large company is controlled by organized crime, therefore global organized crime cannot be the main force in the global economy. If it is the American state that rules global organized crime, then one of the most important prophecies of the Bible, namely that the most powerful kingdom (state) that has ever existed will lose its power in judgment, is about to be fulfilled.

Furthermore:
- A connection can be made between America and the number of the Beast.
- The prophecy about the judgment of the American state is fulfilled by a man who has 6 coincidences in his personal data. Through the man, name, initials of the name, street names, and date of birth, links to the three major monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and all elements of the Trinity can be made. (will only be partially revealed)

It is true that:
1) Is an important prophecy of the Bible the judgment of the Beast (the most powerful kingdom/state)?
2) Is America the most powerful state that ever existed?
3) Is the world run by criminals? Global organized crime has made profits greater than the wealth of all the legal billionaires in the world. Either organized crime owns the illegal profits, in which case it is the main force in the global economy, or organized crime does not own most of the illegal profits, in which case those who run the Western states control organized crime.
If all these are true, then this is how the Apocalypse begins, with the judgment of the Beast (America's leadership).

Notes:

1. https://www.bible.com/bible/114/REV.13.NKJV (New King James Version)

2. http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/

3. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321

4. https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/04/t...on-defense-than-the-next-9-countries-combined

5. https://thedarkstates.blogspot.com
 
The beast is not the most powerful kingdom in the world.If it were,it wouldn't need the help of the second beast.
America does all it can to help that little beast though .
PS
Daniel 7 does not jump from verse 23 to 26.
24,25 go in between those verses.
 
One of the most important prophecies of the Bible is the judgment of the Beast. The Beast (the embodiment of evil) of Revelation is, according to Daniel, the most powerful kingdom that ever existed.

The most powerful kingdom/state that ever existed is America.
I don't know if America/the US will be part of the Beast's Empire. The Beast will have, I believe, 10 nations of European origin in it. Since the old Roman Empire had 2 Legs, East and West, I think 5 nations may originate from E. Europe, and 5 nations may originate with W. Europe. The Big Toe of the East may be Russia, and the Big Toe of the West may be the US--I don't know. I certainly hope not! The US is not in Europe, but it is certainly a child of Europe.

Some peop;le think the US must be diminished to make room for a superior European entity under the Antichrist. I don't personally believe that's true, but I suppose it could be. It's all speculation for me presently. There is certainly a lot of evil in America right now, along with quite a few good people. I don't think America is ready to either be destroyed in judgment or aligned with the Antichrist just yet.
 
Daniel ,8

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

"his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power"






He is always asking for America's help.And America gives him everything he wants.
 
Daniel ,8

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

"his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power"

He is always asking for America's help.And America gives him everything he wants.
I don't see the Antichrist in Dan 8. The language is similar to that used in the Olivet Discourse, but I think the Olivet Discourse isn't speaking of the Antichrist either.

But I am concerned about America right now. I'm hoping the ship turns around.
 
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Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. Revelation 13:1-2


The beast having seven heads and ten horns are world government.

IOW’s the leopard, the bear and the lion are nations that were in the past coming together in one beast.

World government is coming soon.


Here is another picture of it persecuting the Church during the tribulation.


Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. Revelation 12:1-6


  • And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns

The great tribulation is 31/2 years.

That’s 1260 days.

It’s also called a time, times, and a half of time. (3 1/2 years.)

Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
Revelation 12:13-14

You will also find this time frame of 3 1/2 years in Daniel.
 
Almost all threads concerning prophecy are political.Any thread with Rome,Israel ,United states or Europe is political.
I can hardly determine that the 4th Kingdom of Dan 2 and 7 are Rome without referencing a kingdom or empire. How can we refer to Israel without referring to a political state?

I love biblical prophecy, but if one cannot even give an interpretation what is the use of my being here?
 
One of the most important prophecies of the Bible is the judgment of the Beast. The Beast (the embodiment of evil) of Revelation is, according to Daniel, the most powerful kingdom that ever existed.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea...
The verse references [1] Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Daniel 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

The most powerful kingdom/state that ever existed is America.
- The United States has active duty military troops stationed in nearly 150 countries.[2]
- The United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad.[3]
- The United States military spends more than the next 9 countries combined in 2023.[4]

But what illegality has America done that she must be judged?
World organized crime has gained revenues in the amount of tens of thousands of billions of dollars in recent decades. Today, there are no known billionaires from illicit activities. There aren't tens or hundreds of billionaires in dollars missing, but thousands of billionaires. The combined wealth of organized crime is much higher than the wealth of all the billionaires in the world.[5] If the vast private wealth of the world's organized crime is missing, it means that the Western states are those that organize and use the profits from illicit activities.

There are only two options: Western states are involved in illegal activities or Western states are not involved in illegal activities, in which case organized crime is the main force in the global economy (because organized crime is richer than all the legal billionaires in the world). No industry or large company is controlled by organized crime, therefore global organized crime cannot be the main force in the global economy. If it is the American state that rules global organized crime, then one of the most important prophecies of the Bible, namely that the most powerful kingdom (state) that has ever existed will lose its power in judgment, is about to be fulfilled.

Furthermore:
- A connection can be made between America and the number of the Beast.
- The prophecy about the judgment of the American state is fulfilled by a man who has 6 coincidences in his personal data. Through the man, name, initials of the name, street names, and date of birth, links to the three major monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and all elements of the Trinity can be made. (will only be partially revealed)

It is true that:
1) Is an important prophecy of the Bible the judgment of the Beast (the most powerful kingdom/state)?
2) Is America the most powerful state that ever existed?
3) Is the world run by criminals? Global organized crime has made profits greater than the wealth of all the legal billionaires in the world. Either organized crime owns the illegal profits, in which case it is the main force in the global economy, or organized crime does not own most of the illegal profits, in which case those who run the Western states control organized crime.
If all these are true, then this is how the Apocalypse begins, with the judgment of the Beast (America's leadership).

Notes:

1. https://www.bible.com/bible/114/REV.13.NKJV (New King James Version)

2. http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/

3. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321

4. https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/04/t...on-defense-than-the-next-9-countries-combined

5. https://thedarkstates.blogspot.com
Ok

The first beast in revelation 13 is not the US.It is actually the nation state called Israel,which received a deadly wound in 70 ad and the deadly would was as healed in 1948.After the deadly wound was healed in 1948,people followed after the beast from all nations including the US and Romania.The beasts kingdom is a nation of immigrants who speak many tongues(the waters where the prostitute sits.)

The United states is in prophecy including several of its leaders. The last leader is said to do certain things such as moving the US embassy to Jerusalem .Giving the Israeli government it's armed forces.Deviding land.And exalting himself above all which he does quite often.
The armed forces which the United states gives to the beast(which is the Israeli government)will practice the authority of the beast on its behalf and will cause everyone in Israel to receive a mark in their right hand or forehead.The mark will be used to buy and sell.

There are many people in the US who worship the beast and want everyone to worship the beast as they do. They fully support the beast in all it does.They supply the beast with whatever weapons it needs to defeat its enemies.And as I said ,they will soon give the beast a host to protect and serve the beast.
 
We know Daniel described in ch. 7 a 4th Beast, powerful and destructive. And it was likely the Roman Empire. Nebuchadnezzar saw a 4th power with 2 legs. The Roman Empire had 2 "legs," Constantinople and Rome.

Daniel saw that in the latter days of this 4th Kingdom there would be a "Little Horn" who comes to preside over 10 smaller kingdoms. These appear to me to be 10 states in Europe, likely from both Eastern and Western Europe.

The U.S. is not in Europe, but is a child of Europe. So I don't know of any definitive connection between the U.S. and the Beast.

Even though ancient Rome seems to have been identified as a violent, aggressive world power, it was converted to become a Christian Empire. And I'm happy Christians witnessed to the Europeans because after Israel they became the new home for God's Spirit.

In the same way, America was transformed from an uncivilized wilderness into a Christian nation. Although there are certainly elements of paganism rising in American tradition we also have a Christian tradition and should try to reinvigorate that, rather than focus on it being the "Beast."

We should expose the pagan elements as someting we need to expunge from our country. But we should try to lift up Christian beliefs and traditions in a respectable way. Declaring the US as a lost Beast seems way too fatalist for me. My opinion only....
 
We know Daniel described in ch. 7 a 4th Beast, powerful and destructive. And it was likely the Roman Empire. Nebuchadnezzar saw a 4th power with 2 legs. The Roman Empire had 2 "legs," Constantinople and Rome.

Daniel saw that in the latter days of this 4th Kingdom there would be a "Little Horn" who comes to preside over 10 smaller kingdoms. These appear to me to be 10 states in Europe, likely from both Eastern and Western Europe.

The U.S. is not in Europe, but is a child of Europe. So I don't know of any definitive connection between the U.S. and the Beast.

Even though ancient Rome seems to have been identified as a violent, aggressive world power, it was converted to become a Christian Empire. And I'm happy Christians witnessed to the Europeans because after Israel they became the new home for God's Spirit.

In the same way, America was transformed from an uncivilized wilderness into a Christian nation. Although there are certainly elements of paganism rising in American tradition we also have a Christian tradition and should try to reinvigorate that, rather than focus on it being the "Beast."

We should expose the pagan elements as someting we need to expunge from our country. But we should try to lift up Christian beliefs and traditions in a respectable way. Declaring the US as a lost Beast seems way too fatalist for me. My opinion only....
The ten horns are not smaller kingdoms
The little horn is the smallest country within this group of horns.
The little horn which persecutes the saints for 42 months is the smallest to rise in this kingdom being described.
The little horn is described as being different than the other ten .

The little horn appears more stout than the other horns.

The little horn came up last.

The little horn subdued three kings.

The little horns kingdom is destroyed and then given to the saints who were persecuted by the little horn .This kingdom given to the saints is an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed or taken away.

The saints who were persecuted by this little horn are seen in revelation 20 reigning with Christ before Gog invades their kingdom fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog.



Do you not know where these saints are located on earth when Gog surrounds them after the 1000 years?

Revelation 20
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.


Hint-the city he loves is not Rome.
Rome is not the city taken from the beast and given to the saints for an everlasting kingdom.


Daniel 7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
 
Jesus prophecied of the little horn (beast) persecuting his saints.

Mathew 23

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.



This is definition of "generation" and how the word can be used to describe a people or nation.


Word: genea

Pronounce: ghen-eh-ah'

Strongs Number: G1074

Orig: from (a presumed derivative of) 1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):--age, generation, nation, time. G1085

Use: TDNT-1:662,114 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H410 H1755 H2233 H2567 H3117 H3211 H4940 H5971 H7256 H8029

  1. 1) fathered, birth, nativity2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy2b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character2b1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied by each successive generation), a space of 30-33 years
 
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The ten horns are not smaller kingdoms
The little horn is the smallest country within this group of horns.
The little horn which persecutes the saints for 42 months is the smallest to rise in this kingdom being described.
The little horn is described as being different than the other ten .
Disagree. The 10 horns constitute the latter day 4th Kingdom. If so, they are smaller constituent parts of the 4th Kingdom as a whole.

The Little Horn is called "little" because it represents an individual ruler, who himself wields the entire state power. He is a power in himself, but is small compared with the empire he rules over.

Yes, his rule is only 42 months--not 7 years as some wish to say. Some err by equating the rule of Antichrist with Daniel's "70th Week." My opinion.
The little horn appears more stout than the other horns.

The little horn came up last.

The little horn subdued three kings.
This is why I think the Revelation describes the Beast as 7 heads and 10 horns. The 7 heads are the remaining 7 kings after Antichrist defeats 3 of them. The 10 horns are the 10 nations the Antichrist rules over with the remaining 7 kings allied with him.
The saints who were persecuted by this little horn are seen in revelation 20 reigning with Christ before Gog invades their kingdom fire comes down out of heaven and destroys Gog.
In my view Gog will appear twice, and not just once. He may constitute the Antichrist himself before the end of this age. And he appears again in another form at the end of the Millennium.

I have to speculate on these things because to me they aren't very clear. They are very old prophecies. But the above is how I make sense of them, taking into consideration the views of many other Christians and synthesizing them to form my own view.
 
Disagree. The 10 horns constitute the latter day 4th Kingdom. If so, they are smaller constituent parts of the 4th Kingdom as a whole.

The Little Horn is called "little" because it represents an individual ruler, who himself wields the entire state power. He is a power in himself, but is small compared with the empire he rules over.

Yes, his rule is only 42 months--not 7 years as some wish to say. Some err by equating the rule of Antichrist with Daniel's "70th Week." My opinion.

This is why I think the Revelation describes the Beast as 7 heads and 10 horns. The 7 heads are the remaining 7 kings after Antichrist defeats 3 of them. The 10 horns are the 10 nations the Antichrist rules over with the remaining 7 kings allied with him.

In my view Gog will appear twice, and not just once. He may constitute the Antichrist himself before the end of this age. And he appears again in another form at the end of the Millennium.

I have to speculate on these things because to me they aren't very clear. They are very old prophecies. But the above is how I make sense of them, taking into consideration the views of many other Christians and synthesizing them to form my own view.


The dragon who tried to kill jesus is described as having seven heads .

Revelation 12
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



It turns out this seven headed dragon who tried to kill Jesus as soon as he was born had a name,and it wasn't Cesar.



Mathew 2
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
 
Disagree. The 10 horns constitute the latter day 4th Kingdom. If so, they are smaller constituent parts of the 4th Kingdom as a whole.

The Little Horn is called "little" because it represents an individual ruler, who himself wields the entire state power. He is a power in himself, but is small compared with the empire he rules over.

Yes, his rule is only 42 months--not 7 years as some wish to say. Some err by equating the rule of Antichrist with Daniel's "70th Week." My opinion.

This is why I think the Revelation describes the Beast as 7 heads and 10 horns. The 7 heads are the remaining 7 kings after Antichrist defeats 3 of them. The 10 horns are the 10 nations the Antichrist rules over with the remaining 7 kings allied with him.

In my view Gog will appear twice, and not just once. He may constitute the Antichrist himself before the end of this age. And he appears again in another form at the end of the Millennium.

I have to speculate on these things because to me they aren't very clear. They are very old prophecies. But the above is how I make sense of them, taking into consideration the views of many other Christians and synthesizing them to form my own view.
In both Ezekiel and Revelation,Gog comes against Israel after the resurection of Israel.
In both Ezekiel and revelation,Gog is destroyed by fire coming down from heaven from God.

Ezekiel and revelation is talking about the same resurection and the same Gog.
 
The dragon who tried to kill jesus is described as having seven heads .

Mathew 2
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
You think Herod was the 7 heads of the Beast in Revelation 13? Can't see it--sorry!
 
You think Herod was the 7 heads of the Beast in Revelation 13? Can't see it--sorry!
I can see it clearly.
Herods capital city sat on seven peaks,called mountains.Those mountains are still there today.

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.



The seven mountains of Jerusalem are:
  • Mount Scopus
  • Mount of Olives
  • Mount of Corruption
  • Mount Ophel
  • The original Mount Zion/Moriah (today's Temple Mt.)
  • The New Mount Zion
  • The peak upon which the Roman Antonia Fortress was built
 
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