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The Promises of God

Angel

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I have a question:

Some people say that all the promises in the Bible are meant for everyone, (that is, all Christians). But I cannot find where it says specifically in the Bible itself that any promise is for all?

Sorry if that sounds confusing. I've been researching but haven't had much luck.
 
Greetings Angel and Welcome :wave

Cordially,
Sparrow
 
I have a question:

Some people say that all the promises in the Bible are meant for everyone, (that is, all Christians). But I cannot find where it says specifically in the Bible itself that any promise is for all?

Sorry if that sounds confusing. I've been researching but haven't had much luck.

Hi Angel, ty for the question.

You will on the one hand see that John 3.16, a wonderful promise, is referenced to 'whosoever believeth in Him': in other words, to all sinners who come in faith and repentance to the Lord Jesus.

If we look at the Epistles, with so much instruction and assurance for believers, we can see that they are addressed to those who are already followers of the Lord Jesus.

Blessings.
 
I have a question:

Some people say that all the promises in the Bible are meant for everyone, (that is, all Christians). But I cannot find where it says specifically in the Bible itself that any promise is for all?

Sorry if that sounds confusing. I've been researching but haven't had much luck.
Hi Angel,

Great question, and this is an important thing to note and makes the OT much more relevant.

remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:12-13(ESV)

Us Gentiles were at one point alienated from all the blessings and Covenant promises enjoyed by the people of Israel (God's Covenant People), we now through the blood of Christ are brought near and now in Christ we enjoy every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places (Ephesians 1:3).

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. 2 Corinthians 1:20(ESV)

God's promises are all ultimately fulfilled in Jesus, God's faithfulness is vindicated and his Covenant made a new on better terms for those who are in Christ. We then enjoy the promises of God given to the OT saints through God's faithfulness in Jesus.

Hope this helps,
Servant of Jesus
 
God's promises are all ultimately fulfilled in Jesus, God's faithfulness is vindicated and his Covenant made a new on better terms for those who are in Christ. We then enjoy the promises of God given to the OT saints through God's faithfulness in Jesus.

Could you please elaborate?
 
Could you please elaborate?
Absolutely, ultimately the main focus in the promises of God throughout Scripture is the story of Abraham and the promise given to him. Scripture then tracks God's faithfulness to that Covenant promise to:

1. Bless all the nations through him.
2. Give him a land for his inheritance.
3. That nations would come from him, and his descendants would number as the sands of the sea.

This I would say is the core of the promises of God given to Israel, it is the main plot line of God's faithfulness to fulfill what he had promised. He did this through Jesus, 1) by blessing all the nations (Gentiles) through Jesus, because of Jesus and the rejection of the unbelieving Jews, the gospel has now come to the Gentiles. 2) Jesus brought and indeed is bringing the new creation, new heavens and new earth, this inheritance is not just then the nation of Israel but is indeed the whole world in the new creation where we will reign with Jesus. 3) That it is actually those who are of the faith of Abraham that are his descendants, and not merely those who are physical descendants of Abraham.

What this means is that through Jesus, we enjoy the blessings originally given to God's covenant people, Israel. In other words, with the New Testament the Church isn't just some new tree growing out from a new root, but we as Gentiles have been grafted into the olive tree which enjoys the roots (the covenant promises) that have been given beforehand.

Let me know if you have any additional questions, I would love to answer them.

Blessings in Christ,
Servant of Jesus
 
I understand the covenant between God and Abraham.
I don't think I was specific enough in my question:
Are ALL promises in the Bible FOR the regular Christian, OT and NT?
 
Are ALL promises in the Bible FOR the regular Christian, OT and NT?

No. For instance, Abraham was promised to be a father of many nations. I don't expect that promise was directed toward me except perhaps in some "spiritual" sense. I'm not Abraham. Also, there are many promises that are made directed at the person of Jesus. Okay, they do apply to me after a sense because Jesus is kind enough to extend the benefits of his life to me, but the promise was given to him then shared out to me. are ALL promises like that? May all "promises" be considered in the same light?

Pardon my being a little silly but I do recall a time when promises were made for very specific reason. Rahab the harlot comes to mind. Sure, it could be said that I too am a sinner, and the inclusion that was offered to her is also offered to me, but I am not her. I would hesitate to say, "I'm not a harlot, either," because the fact is, if I am guilty in one point I am also guilty in every point.

Also, the promise made to the sinner who spoke to Jesus while they both were being put to death, "This day..." that promise isn't made to me specifically, but it could also be extended (loosely) because Jesus is no respecter of persons. What about when Paul asked for his coat? Now there we have a request (and the implied answer, yes, I will faithfully provide for you) -- and maybe it was the Holy Spirit who penned that through him because God sees all needs, and maybe it was the Holy Spirit who put it into the reader to respond affirmatively and with action, so maybe? In a way, I too can know that He cares for me and that I am provided for.

But are ALL promises in the Bible FOR the regular Christian? No. Frankly they are not ALL for every person. They are not even FOR every "Christian," because we are not yet done and have not yet crossed the finish line, or as Paul has said, I have not appropriated. So it may or may not apply. Time will tell. When we get right down to it, there are some that specifically say the word "IF" and that very tiny word gives the conditions for the promises. With that in mind, we know that IF we continue we shall be saved. There is no sitting back when we are told to be pressing in.
 
Okay, may I say the very same thing to you that has been said to others? These are not my words that I speak. They are the very words that were given to Jesus by His Father, our Father in Heaven. These are the very words that He taught His disciples and these are the words that have been carried by many who have been called, like you, in the the service.

Please do know that although I may be counted on as an advocate, there is one who stands before the Throne and He pleads your case! That one knows what it is to be tried and has suffered and does understand. Jesus is with you! "I will never leave, nor forsake," so says the Faithful one. This, more than anything, his patience, his long-suffering and now? Now we are learning to become more like him. We may "tuck away" this appreciation that we have for a time when a friend needs your patience, because if we count how Good God is in dealing with us, so also much more shall we be toward others in our journey to become like Him. I do not say that this patience and long-suffering is for all. There will be an actual hatred for all sin in those who continue to follow along with the guidance of the Holy Spirit because He is Holy - and it is like what is said even way back when: Be thou holy for I am holy. That just means resist sin. Resist and do so with the expectation of winning the battle because He is on our side.

So my prayer is "yea and amen", that Jesus be with you. I know it is, because He actually died while showing us the will of the Father, and not only did He die on the cross, he also was raised. So my prayer is also that He send the Comforter to you who will lead you to all things, that you may be whole, complete, mature and lacking in nothing! For who may stand against, when we are indeed the Joy of the Lord. He dances over you. Don't cha' know? Your Father in Heaven is pleased with you. That may be something that is very difficult to understand and appreciate especially when we (when I) have just looked and saw what my hand has done. While we are still in the grips of sin. But when we do look as what we have done, we stand aghast. We confess. We distance ourselves. That part is what is called "sanctification" and it involves being tested "in fire". My thought goes to how gold is purified. We may beat and beat and beat upon it but never does Gold lose its essential value or qualities. We share this with the giver of Life who is more than what He gives, Wisdom in trial.

We read in the bible that if we confess He is faithful and just to cleanse us and to purge from us all unrighteousness. That's a strange thing, maybe. He is Just? What's just about letting a sinner go free? Doesn't seem to be balanced in the scales very well, does it? It is just because there is another scale being used here. The scale of the actual promise that was made and given, from a Father to a Son. Jesus died for us. That's the scale that lets us live. And I know that you already know this, but I'm calling it to memory. Does that mean that we should take such unmerited favor as license to sin? No.

By the way, that is the the job of the Holy Spirit, part of the job anyway, it is the service that the Spirit Holy, the Ruach HaKodesh, who is all-and-all utterly holy and apart from sin and is also here to convict us --to prick us in the heart --but this is not like the law. The LAW is a mere shadow. This is the real. We are not left without an advocate and Paraclete, not left without a propitiation (covering). We are not left with out a way. He is the way and our way-maker. We confess, yes we do. Our word is part of it, but it is by our word and also BY THE BLOOD that we are saved. Part of this Joy that He has in you is the expectation of the fruit of His Work in you!! There is nothing that can separate us from the Love of God. How great He is.

I'm thinking that you will continue your journey today, travel about and yes, that you will find some time to contemplate things. Will you escape the Lord? Will he not chase you down and pierce your heart yet again with His compassion and goodness? It is my prayer that this, for you, He do!

Love ya,

Sparrow
 
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I understand the covenant between God and Abraham.
I don't think I was specific enough in my question:
Are ALL promises in the Bible FOR the regular Christian, OT and NT?
I think the more one understands that "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, the more one understands how the promises of God are received? Those who walk in the Spirit by faith, are those to whom the promises are made and through the life of the spirit, we see the promises of God manifest. They do in fact belong to all those who are "born-again" but as it is written some do not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief
 
It was Gods promise.


kiwidan, the Lord has gifted you with the most beautiful and moving love letter through His servant, Sparrowhawk.

Read it, eat it, drink it, into your soul.


Everything is weird these days. Everything i do i automatically know if its sin or not and i get confused. It never happened before i talked to God and asked for help.

Now even when i roll a cigarette and do live my everyday life i feel sin. Just basic stuff. Even just the most smallest of smallest little white lie makes me feel like a killer.And i fail. FAIL FAIL FAIL EVERYTIME. Its like sin is all around me, everywhere i am, everything is sin. sin sin sin. Its nuts.

I cant be perfect in one day. I dont even know if im saved sometimes i fell like i not written in the book of life but sometimes some weird tings randomly happen. Im trying to learn myself and dont know much and sometimes i talk to my dad hes the biggest non beliver of anything and for some reason i get energy from somewhere and stick up for God and try save my Dad and i dont even know if im even saved myself. But most time it when we been drinking. When im drunk i always praise the lord. I shout the lords name. I love the lord.

Why would God save me when i just sin all the time and get all confused. Maybe im not one who is suppose to be saved. Im just a fake or something. I try. I seriously do try but God is making it to the point i think its just impossible for me and im not in the book of life so im not suppose to know everything all you guys do.

Seriously i have no debate at judgement. I fail. I FAIL BIG TIME.
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: {for that: or, in whom}
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Ro 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Ro 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Ro 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. {freed: Gr. justified}
Ro 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Ro 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I know this may sound silly? But pick up your bible and believe it!
 
I cant be perfect in one day.

True! Yet, I would add to that the concept of a plant that matures. We know that the Word of God is like a seed. And it is planted in us, the good soil. We know we are the good soil because we hear the word (My sheep hear my voice) and because we act on it. (Unless a seed die and be buried, it shall not live). So what is this "death" that is spoken of. Again, the simple milk of the word supplies the answer. Each man is to take up his/her own cross, and follow. We do suffer. We do resist sin. That's because we heard the promise and we are children of the promise, born of the promise of God. We trust our father and even like that farmer who plants a seed in the early spring time (or even in the late winter) - then goes each day to watch, we are given patience to know and to watch for that day. The day of harvest.

What a laugh we would have if there was a YouTube of the Impatient farmer who went out in the heat of the summer and said, "I'm tired of all this waiting and I'm hungry too!" Then, stomping his foot on the ground and grabbing the torch he was to set all his work, all his toil, and all his hope for the future, aflame.

God is not like this. And you are worth more than a kernel of corn.
 
i have nothing but my worthless self to try keep faith and i have a lack of will power. My best wishes and prayers to everyone who reads this.

:praying Yes. Lord? I do believe. Help me in my unbelief. I do trust you and will continue so that the faith, the trust i have may grow and mature and live in You.
 
Im back to work tommorow and ont be back for a few weeks cause i got no internet where i go and i got no bible so its going to be a struggle to keep faith but i try my hardest everytime. Dont have a bible either. I should get one. Have a good tiem everyone and see yall later. Dont mean to sound selfish but would be cool if someone could pray for me because i have nothing but my worthless self to try keep faith and i have a lack of will power. My best wishes and prayers to everyone who reads this.
I am sure the Lord has a good bible waiting for you. I will be honored to say a prayer for you.
 
Dear Kiwidan,

I quit smoking 2 years ago. Every morning I would wake up, beg God to deliver me, and then almost immediately went and smoked. It was a terrible struggle, and yet God eventually delivered me! The temptation to to drink alcohol may be persistent but... God can lead you into repentance and set you free. You can't give up though. God is fighting for you because he cares about you. Even if temptation seems overwhelming, you can turn your back on it.

Angel
 
Everything is weird these days. Everything i do i automatically know if its sin or not and i get confused. It never happened before i talked to God and asked for help.

Hi kiwidan, I am very new here and so I hope you don't mind my intrusion. As I was reading through this a few scriptures popped in my head. I sincerely hope this helps. 1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common for man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it
Hebrews 12:5-11 tells us that the Lord chastens those that He loves but not to be discouraged by this bc it means He loves us or else He wouldn't do it!! [I paraphrased on that it was long but if it doesn't pop up for you let me know and I will type it out]

As a teen I struggled with drugs. I actually found the Lord while in rehab. And long story short, I left rehab with the best intentions of following Christ to the best of my ability. Well I failed on many occasions. I even fell back into that life for a short period. BUT the big difference was that this time around I knew the Lord and His will, and it was the worst feeling EVER! I felt so defeated and couldn't really enjoy that life anymore. But I really didn't know how to be a christian.... So I had to let Christ show me how to live this new life, and it took ALOT of chastisement! But His love is so much better than the life I had before!!!! The scriptures I posted above are some of the main ones that I went back to time and time again when I so struggled with my faith and addiction. By the way this is years later and some days I still struggle with my walk, is it better than in the beginning?? Yep! Is it perfect?? NOPE! And that is why Paul said in his writings that 'I die daily' meaning on a daily basis he would have to die to himself so he could live for Christ.
I will keep you in my prayers! And once again I pray you don't mind the intrusion of a newby!
 
Greetings and Welcome forgiven :wave

I hope you enjoy your time spent here. I did like listening to what you've said. Thank you.

~Sparrow
 
Hi to you sparrowhawke:wave i have enjoyed reading your post in this thread and others, thank you for the welcome!
 
Everything is weird these days. Everything i do i automatically know if its sin or not and i get confused. It never happened before i talked to God and asked for help.

Hi kiwidan, I am very new here and so I hope you don't mind my intrusion. As I was reading through this a few scriptures popped in my head. I sincerely hope this helps. 1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common for man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it
Hebrews 12:5-11 tells us that the Lord chastens those that He loves but not to be discouraged by this bc it means He loves us or else He wouldn't do it!! [I paraphrased on that it was long but if it doesn't pop up for you let me know and I will type it out]

As a teen I struggled with drugs. I actually found the Lord while in rehab. And long story short, I left rehab with the best intentions of following Christ to the best of my ability. Well I failed on many occasions. I even fell back into that life for a short period. BUT the big difference was that this time around I knew the Lord and His will, and it was the worst feeling EVER! I felt so defeated and couldn't really enjoy that life anymore. But I really didn't know how to be a christian.... So I had to let Christ show me how to live this new life, and it took ALOT of chastisement! But His love is so much better than the life I had before!!!! The scriptures I posted above are some of the main ones that I went back to time and time again when I so struggled with my faith and addiction. By the way this is years later and some days I still struggle with my walk, is it better than in the beginning?? Yep! Is it perfect?? NOPE! And that is why Paul said in his writings that 'I die daily' meaning on a daily basis he would have to die to himself so he could live for Christ.
I will keep you in my prayers! And once again I pray you don't mind the intrusion of a newby!


Hi [MENTION=96530]forgiven[/MENTION]!

We never stop needing to grow in Him, do we? 2 Peter 3.18 speaks of growing in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Blessings to you and yours.
 
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