They should Be shot

[Lewis]

10 shocking medical mistakes
http://www.cnn.com/2...dical-mistakes/
Medical errors kill more than a quarter million people every year in the United States and injure millions.


Pregnant Woman Dies After Horrifying Medical Mixup
https://shine.yahoo....-200700512.html

Maria De Jesus had appendicitis, but her right ovary was taken out

 

[Lewis]

Case in point my fiancee having a stroke' and they told me she was not. Now they are being sued.

 

[Obadiah]

I can sure understand your frustration! I'd be wanting to shoot someone too. But we have to stay rational. There may be a quarter million people killed by medical mistakes, but what percentage is that of the total number of people treated every year? What would be the number of people who would die every year from sicknesses, injuries, and whatever if the medical profession didn't exist?

 

[Lewis]

I can sure understand your frustration! I'd be wanting to shoot someone too. But we have to stay rational. There may be a quarter million people killed by medical mistakes, but what percentage is that of the total number of people treated every year? What would be the number of people who would die every year from sicknesses, injuries, and whatever if the medical profession didn't exist?

I wouldn't shoot them for real, but I am calling to attention the severity to this. I remember in Florida some years back' they cut off the wrong foot of a man, which was his good foot and left the bad one intact. I also remember some cases where the people were awake being operated on and knowing everything that went on. They just could not open their eyes or move.
250,000 deaths a year in America in this day and age is to much.

 

[Obadiah]

Yeah, I knew you didn't mean you were literally going to shoot them. It's just a way of expressing frustration.

This got me interested in just how bad this 250,000 number really is, so I looked up some numbers. According to the CDC there are 1.25 Billion doctor visits every year. Sop out of this 1.25 billion, 250,000 times they made a mistake that killed someone. If I did my math right, that works out to only 0.02%. That seems like a pretty good record, I think, for an industry made up and run by imperfect humans. I really think we need to be more afraid of driving on the highway than we do of going to the doctor.

 

[Lewis]

Yeah, I knew you didn't mean you were literally going to shoot them. It's just a way of expressing frustration.

This got me interested in just how bad this 250,000 number really is, so I looked up some numbers. According to the CDC there are 1.25 Billion doctor visits every year. Sop out of this 1.25 billion, 250,000 times they made a mistake that killed someone. If I did my math right, that works out to only 0.02%. That seems like a pretty good record, I think, for an industry made up and run by imperfect humans. I really think we need to be more afraid of driving on the highway than we do of going to the doctor.

You know that does not seem to bad, until it happens to one of our own family members.

 

[jasonc]

You know that does not seem to bad, until it happens to one of our own family members.

shoot close the va!

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I can sure understand your frustration! I'd be wanting to shoot someone too. But we have to stay rational. There may be a quarter million people killed by medical mistakes, but what percentage is that of the total number of people treated every year? What would be the number of people who would die every year from sicknesses, injuries, and whatever if the medical profession didn't exist?

i can answer that 'anecdotally' ... a few years ago, when the doctors went on strike, the death rate went down to almost zero almost immediately (note:'almost') ... or at least dropped so dramatically that people noticed.
guess what happened 3 or 4 months later when the doctors went off strike ? (sad, but most likely true)........

oh, also, in 1902 before phrmk took over, only 1 out of 100 people needed or were taking drugs.
how many today ?
(the doctors who examined men for ww one and ww two noted a several thousand percent increase in disease between the two wars. so much so, they had to severely drop the health requirements for admission to the military. they published their findings in a 'white paper' (no longer available online. it was easily found up to 15 years ago) in 1939 attributing the increase in disease to 3 white poisons fed the american public. ( an online search of "white poisons" has interesting findings). )

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

oh, it's not 'too bad' ? ? ? for the last ten years it has been openly published that the number one , numero uno, "ONE MAIN" cause of death in the united states
is 'properly prescribed medication' ....... (specifically not illegal drugs or misuse of medicine)
the cost in the united states is higher than in most all other countries. in canada and mexico you can be cured of cancer at a medical clinic for under $20,000. in twelve weeks usually(according to word of mouth, of 20,000 people a year!)....
the 'nice' thing is, if you can read english and have access to the internet or a good library,
you are still allowed to cure yourself. legally i mean. don't try to give a minor any vitamins though if they are sick. it may very well be against the law in your area, and children have been refused treatment at for instance the shriners hospital because their parents gave the child vitamins, and even worse too many children have been forcibly and often secretly removed from parents because of seeking non-intrusive non-expensive help for their child/s health. (see the televised national news the last couple years? it's happening more and more as people find out what they can do themselves, and the profit-mongers don't like it)

anyhow, there still are probably over 100,000 doctors, licensed ama doctors, in the usa who will help you(any reader) in your search for safe helps. there are that many in the national health federation alone, the group of doctors seeking to keep vitamins and enzymes and minerals in our diet, and to make it legal to use supplements proven effective for various deficiencies ....

 

[Obadiah]

i can answer that 'anecdotally' ... a few years ago, when the doctors went on strike, the death rate went down to almost zero almost immediately (note:'almost') ... or at least dropped so dramatically that people noticed.
guess what happened 3 or 4 months later when the doctors went off strike ? (sad, but most likely true)........

oh, also, in 1902 before phrmk took over, only 1 out of 100 people needed or were taking drugs.
how many today ?
(the doctors who examined men for ww one and ww two noted a several thousand percent increase in disease between the two wars. so much so, they had to severely drop the health requirements for admission to the military. they published their findings in a 'white paper' (no longer available online. it was easily found up to 15 years ago) in 1939 attributing the increase in disease to 3 white poisons fed the american public. ( an online search of "white poisons" has interesting findings). )

Wow, the death rate dropped nearly to 0! When and where did that happen? Was there any information on why that happened? Any link to a report or anything? I'd never heard of that.

oh, it's not 'too bad' ? ? ? for the last ten years it has been openly published that the number one , numero uno, "ONE MAIN" cause of death in the united states
is 'properly prescribed medication' ....... (specifically not illegal drugs or misuse of medicine)

I guess there must have been a dramatic increase in this in the last couple of years. I was reading some statistics from the CDC for 2011 a while back. Their info said that the number one cause of death in the United States at that time was heart disease at just under 600,000 deaths. Deaths from drugs (their statistic included both illegal and legal prescription drugs with no breakdown) back then was way down the list with just over 40,000 for all deaths from drugs combined. I've never been a fan of the big drug corporations, but if what you cited is even close to accurate, something needs to be done about it!

 

[jasonc]

medicine in the 1900's wasn't much. yes the reason we had to have large families. my grandparents were born of 9 siblings. 6 lived and often the mother died young.

 

[Obadiah]

medicine in the 1900's wasn't much. yes the reason we had to have large families. my grandparents were born of 9 siblings. 6 lived and often the mother died young.

I remember reading about that as well. Unlike today, it seems it was considered pretty normal for most families to have some children die. That happened in both my parents' families as well.

 

[jasonc]

I remember reading about that as well. Unlike today, it seems it was considered pretty normal for most families to have some children die. That happened in both my parents' families as well.

very normal. my great aunt who died at 92 remembers that era. doctors were jus to tell you might die.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Wow, the death rate dropped nearly to 0! When where did that happen? Was there any information on why that happened? Any link to a report or anything? I'd never heard of that.

this was published years ago, perhaps 10, maybe 20 or more, i don't remember. yes, there was and is information on why that happened, but it is potentially against the rules of this forum to post it here, so i will let others search for it first before discussing it. i haven't a link to it anymore, as i haven't even thought about it for several years - it was a surprise at first, but fits in line with everything else going on, so it didn't remain a surprise very long (for me).
i've read voraciously, thousands of books and articles and references as needed for my job in the medical field (pharm), and out of the sheer JOY of searching for the TRUTH constantly, always, forever(so to speak).
also as needed for my own family and friends over the years. it was /is sheer grace that i had the time to read so much, as in the last few years i have had to (willingly and joyfully with thanksgiving to Yhwh always every day) work so long every day six days a week that i couldn't read half or even a tenth of the books i used to read.....
i thank Yhwh in Yeshua that the time i had to read so much was because of the illness of my wife for years, and other things also set in place by Yhwh so that i could learn what He wanted me to learn.

again, it is fairly common knowledge in the health field, but because of mainly profits and laws concerning it, you won't often hear about it (although dr.oz on tv recently started admitting such things, although the reason he does is very suspicious if it is true that the drug makers finance him).

actually, seek ABBA, totally, daily, purely to see Him, to find what He wants. then all these things as needed will all fall into place in life as He schedules all of our days and He wants us to seek Him. I never even heard of a vitamin or a health store until after i went to school of the drug makers! never even heard anything bad about the drugs or their makers until i got it so to speak right from the 'horses mouth' ! (by sheer grace - as others went ahead for the money instead of a clear conscience)

 

[jasonc]

old news, chiropractors often push that. the funny thing is that many of those are honest, but some are sham artists. the state of florida banned them from being involved in the car accident law suits as so many of them lied to get money. and well I have used them and still do when I must, but well I know a doctor who would adjust me dialy and It wouldn't improve me much in range of motion. I can have pain and move my neck in full range. sometimes that is the best it gets.im for chiropractic but its not a cure all, any who says that is a liar.

 

[Obadiah]

...yes, there was and is information on why that happened, but it is potentially against the rules of this forum to post it here...

Oh, Ok, I think I understand what you are saying.

I've never worked in any medical related industry but I have to assume from personal experience that their profits here in this country must be huge and well worth it to them to protect that at all costs. I had a couple of experiences that gave me some hints as to this. I needed my gallbladder removed a few years ago. I had what was considered good health insurance at the time, but still had to cover a co-payment amount. I ended up having the surgery done in Mexico and paid full price out of pocket (my girlfriend at the time was Mexican and had medical contacts that could steer me to the good places and away from the bad...). The total cost to me was less than 1/2 of what my co-payment would have been if I'd had the surgery in the U.S. AND I got far superior service from the hospital as well as a surgeon performing the surgery that actually gets invited to speak at lectures on gallbladder surgery worldwide! This world renown surgeon even made a house call to me later to see how I was doing. When was the last time ANY doctor in the U.S. gave that kind of service???

Another time I was in a tropical Mexican village where foreigners were hardly ever seen. (It was the beautiful kind of place you see pictured in travel brochures, but the tour companies never take you too!) I got so sick with the flu that I had to go to the hospital emergency room. When I walked in I was immediately seen by the doctor and given a full medical exam in a professional way equal or exceeding any I've had in the U.S. They prescribed medicine and even gave me a package with all the drugs i would need so I wouldn't have to go looking for it. Then they gave me the bill... The poor nurse looked as if she didn't want to give me the "bad news" that this was going to cost me the equivalent of an entire $5.00 in US dollars. Yeah, five dollars! Then, she really shocked me by telling me if I didn't have that much right now, I could just pay what I could and pay the rest later!
Now I understand they can do some things a bit cheaper in other countries because the cost of living is a little lower, but in this village the cost of living wasn't THAT much lower, yet they are still making living wages or they would be out of business. These things gave me a hint at just how profitable the medical industry is in this country.

 

[jasonc]

im skeptical of that. if that was the case arab doctors in Afghanistan wouldn't be so unclean.not saying there isn't greed in the medical industry.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

, no, not even a hint ! it would totally flabbergast you and shock you to the point you'd have to sit down if you knew the profit they make and the oppression to get it!!!

p.s. in answer to your other question. it was in the last week (a house-call in the usa). shhhhh..... it ain't permitted!!!

p.p.s. I met several doctors and others who most likely could have saved the gb. not always, but according to the medical schools 9 out of 10 surgeries in the usa are totally not needed. (and also the 'supposed need' can be 'fixed' simply, usually)

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

be skeptical. no worries there. test everything (nobody usually bothers, that's usually why their skeptical if they ever hear the truth, and also why they're still deceived)

 

[jasonc]

im skeptical because of what I have seen in Afghanistan. the dirty needles used for medicines that caused wound care. I also have vet medicine that is cheap. sure people are greedy but the same type of surgeries are done on dogs and both my wife and dog take the same type of pain pill. tramadol 50mg.