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Unbelievers being tested in the fire

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When an unbeliever is in the fire being tested, he's not thinking well, "I hope the Holy Spirit comes soon, because this pain is unbearable, so I guess I better be obedient." First of all, he has no idea the Holy Spirit even exists UNTIL he makes that choice. Also, he's not thinking about obedience because how can you be obedient when you don't know what you're being obedient too. The reason I know this is because I've been there.
 
When an unbeliever is in the fire being tested, he's not thinking well, "I hope the Holy Spirit comes soon, because this pain is unbearable, so I guess I better be obedient." First of all, he has no idea the Holy Spirit even exists UNTIL he makes that choice. Also, he's not thinking about obedience because how can you be obedient when you don't know what you're being obedient too. The reason I know this is because I've been there.

non-Believers being tested by catching on fire? That to test how fast they fall and roll?

One thing about not serving God, It's just by the grace of someone praying for them the devil does not kill them outright. Without God the unbeliever is without any hope and God is not even considered them as being around unless He has honored someones prayer for them.

Mike.
 
Sounds like you're talking about conviction...

But the unbeliever doesn't know he's being convicted until AFTER the Holy Spirit comes. What do you mean God was convicting me. What does convicting mean. What exactly was he doing inside of me as an unbeliever. Was God trying to convince me that he was God through my pain as an unbeliever?

@Brother Mike Fire as in PAIN. If I described to you the pain I went through to find God, you probably would shatter into pieces. ;)
 
@Brother Mike Fire as in PAIN. If I described to you the pain I went through to find God, you probably would shatter into pieces.

Ah, I understand. I doubt shatter to pieces, but I understand the doubt and lack of faith when first trying to find God. Despite the pain you went through trying to find God, what would be the result going through the same pain without seeking the Lord of finding God? For me, I can't even imagine as 90 years in prison does not sound that appealing to me.

Just a couple years ago they wanted to give me a year in Jail for some nonsense that was not constitutional. It was only a year, but I prefer no jail as opposed to going to jail. Looking back, I can honestly say I was not concerned a bit, and God moved the very last day (Day before with the state supreme court meeting changing the law) Just like I knew He had a plan, no problem, I refuse to worry or be concerned about anything. Now back when I was trying to find God, facing 90 years and no faith or word in me, my perspective was a whole lot different. God still came through, but I would not consider myself back then as a man of faith, just thankful the Lord is merciful and put up with my girly mon crying about the whole situation. I know how you feel.

Mike.
 
[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] TY brother. For me too, all I could say to the Lord was thank you, thank you Lord, thank you thank you thank you.

for bringing me out of hell.
 
Sounds like you're talking about conviction...

But the unbeliever doesn't know he's being convicted until AFTER the Holy Spirit comes.

A person may not know what is convicting them (like the Holy Spirit) although they certainly know that something is pressing on their mind and their heart...

What do you mean God was convicting me. What does convicting mean. What exactly was he doing inside of me as an unbeliever. Was God trying to convince me that he was God through my pain as an unbeliever?

The Holy Spirit convicts (or convinces) a person of their sin... of His righteousness, and of judgment, imo how it has already been taken care of in Christ..

Conviction isn't necessarily the Holy Spirit dwelling within your heart, but rather pressing upon your mind and heart.. convincing you that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour.
 
@Eventide Does the Holy Spirit still convict us AFTER we're saved. Is it less painful and confusing since we know God now.
 
@Eventide Does the Holy Spirit still convict us AFTER we're saved. Is it less painful and confusing since we know God now.

Some would answer NO, although imo it's a definite YES..

Some would argue that there is no sin in a believer's life.. although that simply shows that the Spirit of God is not in them... John writes that if we say that we have no sin, that we deceive ourselves and the TRUTH is not IN us...
 
Why do you think yes, and ty for conversing. Blessings.

Because I still sin and have struggles in the flesh like everyone else.

No I meant about the pain level.

I can't speak for everyone, although there are times in the Christian walk when we're off doing our own thing so to speak and we're dealing with the consequences of that... imo it's very painful even if you do know the LORD... perhaps moreso because you know what He did for you on that forsaken cross of Calvary.
 
@Eventide Does the Holy Spirit still convict us AFTER we're saved. Is it less painful and confusing since we know God now.

The Holy Spirit constantly convicts us. He is our teacher, that only man can sow seed but the Holy Spirit makes it alive and real. As you mature, problems don't seem like problems anymore, trials are smooth and easy. What is not easy is constantly having to change, this a bit and that a bit. God promised to perform the Work he started in us (Php 1:6) and anything we not be perfect minded about God reveals this to us also. So, though a lot of us do not walk in sin, want nothing to do with sin, there is always this constant leading and perfecting and changing that happens to a believer that wants to do the will of God. It's important to want to do God's things first.

Getting saved is just the first step as all things become new. How we look at healing, money, relationships, what we do with our time are all things ahead that the Holy Spirit will continue to work on because being all new, we have to learn to live in the Word and not be moved by the World. That takes some patience and pressing forward.

God wants us in a place where we don't mess with the struggles of problems and sin. We can only focus our faith on so many things. He wants to bring us to the place where we constantly use our faith to do His plan and for others, having overcome the Word. That means we have to grow up and continue to grow up.

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

What seemed hard will get easy, what seemed impossible will become possible.


Mike.
 
[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] What are the different aspects of how the Holy Spirit convicts an unbeliever vs. convicting a believer. Blessings and TY.
 
@Brother Mike What are the different aspects of how the Holy Spirit convicts an unbeliever vs. convicting a believer. Blessings and TY.

Well, for me It was shear horror of facing the rest of my life in prison. I figured the only person that could help me was God. I figured if I read God's word and behaved then He just might help me or like the rest I go down in flame. I really did not know what was going to happen, but I wanted to hold on to some "Higher Power" I fully am convinced and seen it that since my Grandma was saved and praying for me, that when my life took a nose dive that allowed God to move and work in me. For me it was terror of the facts of life.

Some I noticed had chosen Buddha, some Allah. I was convinced I had the right God when sitting in county Jail waiting my fate. I did not believes others that were facing many years had chosen the right god. I was very curious as to why some were confused and some were not. I then learned the common theme was that for us, we had someone who had standing with the great father in Heaven lifting us up in prayer to Him. I soon realized that praying for others was mighty and effective because of our perfect standing with the Father in Christ Jesus.

For my brother, He was in church with me, I was praying for him but not bothering him. The Pastor had a word of Knowledge about someone who considered giving their life to Jesus and described some things in their life by the Holy Spirit. He was talking about my brother and my brother knew it but did not go up to give his life to Jesus. We came home and it just kept weighing in on my Brother that he did not respond to the Holy Spirit, knowing the Pastor was describing him. After about an hour his conviction was so strong he got in his car and drove back to the church to find this young Pastor and gave his life to the Lord. So it was this conviction of needing Jesus on my brother through a Word from God. For me, I did not know what else to do.

Believers.

Believers need to grow a mature, so there are constant things that come up in our minds that (Scratch inside). Often we don't fee satisfied inside, so it's this lack of being satisfied inside the Holy Spirit directs us to bigger and greater things. We know there is more, so we keep pressing on for more. For me there were lots of things like cursing and flesh things I kept getting impressed to deal with. As I was able to listen to my own born again spirit with the Holy Spirit these things got in line and I started to get a conviction about believing bigger and changing other things I did not even consider at one time. When I felt I was doing good, I come to find out there was more that needed changed. So it's a constant process of changing, and being directed to change and mature more.

Time in the Word, and time with God are always important. Without that serious meditation, then lots of believers never get past what their flesh wants all the time and it stumps them as to why they are the way they are. If the Word and God are 24/7 in a persons life then it's very hard to continue in stupid sins and weights that hold us back many get stuck in. For some reason just getting saved is believed to somehow suppose to fix everything but James said receive with meekness the Word which will get rooted (En-grafted) in us that is able to change our soul (thinking, will, mind) No time in the word and with God, then no changing and it leads to a frustrated and defeated life.

Sometimes the Holy Spirit just speaks to us outright. Out of prison and living in a homeless shelter that my parole officers put me in, I had stopped to have some beer on the way back to the shelter. It was a very bad day, my wife I was trying to get back was mean to me that day, work went bad, so I figured a few beers would not hurt anyone. Before I walked in the bar the Holy Spirit said "STOP!!!"
I was sort of mad that God was going to stop me from drinking a few beers and knowing better to disobey the Holy Spirit I turned around and just went back to the shelter. When I got there they were taking breath test for Alcohol. Had I tested positive for Alcohol, it would have violated my parole and back to prison for 2 more years. I was not so mad at God after I found out what was going on and passed my breath test.

Mike.
 
@Brother Mike Fire as in PAIN. If I described to you the pain I went through to find God, you probably would shatter into pieces. ;)
Next time, just come out and say that you went through some pain instead of beating around the bush with all of the misleading "fire" nonsense.
 
[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] What are the positive things the Lord has done in your life since those days. Has he given you peace. Blessings brother and TY.
 
@Brother Mike What are the positive things the Lord has done in your life since those days. Has he given you peace. Blessings brother and TY.

The Lord saved my son the last day he was suppose to die of cancer. The report I got back from Chicago Memorial Children Hospital was that he would not live through the night.

Some occult worshiping skinheads in prison put bleach and other cleaner in my coffee I drank. I just took a big gulp and said thank you Lord that you said if I drink any deadly thing it shall not harm me. Barely able to get those words I was able to breath a bit better and soon the horrible burning went away. I still tasted bleach the rest of the night though.

Got my marriage back together after the wife left me for someone else and sent the divorce papers which I rebuked in the name of Jesus.

Saved me by some strange miracle of being gang raped and stabbed in the shower in prison. I have no idea what those boys saw, but they ran, and ran fast.

most the rest of the stuff which is a long list are getting me out of stupid things I did or did not do like listening to the Holy Spirit about one thing and doing another. I am convinced we have no excuse as the Spirit of God leads us away from evil and temptation. If we don't listen then that is our fault.

Mike.
 
@Brother Mike TY for your testimonies. I'm very happy you're in better place. I LOVE to hear the good news. It always helps to understand the Lord even better and his goodness.

For my story, in regards... it was 2005, summer even, right around the time Hurricane Katrina hit. I was 24 at the time. I left my friends apartment where I was staying, unemployed, broke and at the end of my rope, so I left. I took the money that I had and went to a motel to plan my suicide. I didn't tell a soul where I went, because when I left the apartment nobody was there anyways. I was living with friend and my brother at the time. At this point, I can't really explain the pain I felt. It was pretty horrific. I booked the motel for five days for like $300 bucks with a bag full of sleeping pills. At this point of the story, I guess it's ok to tell ya that the devil really wanted me to die. Now I know, I was being tested through the fire inside agonizing pain and confusion..through very serious conviction. That I know now.

The next day, my motel phone rings in my room. Guess who it is. My DAD!! Keep in mind, I never told a soul where I was. So how he found me, must and I say must, it MUST of been GOD!! Me and dad never talked about why I was at motel, even to this day. I think I made him cry though so, I didn't wanna upset him more. I just told him that I need a break from friends place.

So...well, I ended up moving back home with mom and pop, with a broken soul, unemployed, with about $100 too my name. I wasn't even close to being mentally prepared to get a job. So about a month later, while doing nothing at mom and pops I finally broke down and asked Jesus into my heart one night before bed. I never felt love like that before, it literally pierced my soul to the core. I will never forget it. The Holy Spirit is good. The Lord is good, beyond comprehension. He not only washed away my sins, but he washed away my confusion and chronic depression. Praise, praise! Him.

There's actually a part of the story I left out, I can't remember when maybe a week before I went to motel, I really hit rock bottom Brother Mike. I literally was contemplating suicide at friends place, nobody was there ironically. So basically this was me at rock bottom. I got up from the couch, found a phone book and dialed the suicide hotline and told them I was thinking about, and so. They sent two cops over to place, asked me questions, handcuffed me, put me in back of cop car and drove me to a hospital clinic for further questions. The doctor asked if I wanted to stay and rest or just go back home. I chose home. The pain at this point was literally piercing the core and I mean core of my mind/body/soul. How I even got through God's testing is BEYOND ME! BUT I DID. So, the doctor drove me back home. AND THEN, maybe a week later, I finally had enough and went to motel.

Keep in mind though that, after all this had gone down, a short term friend had killed himself in my own apartment one year prior. I'M THINKING THAT, maybe that evil spirit that was in this kid jumped on me after his suicide. But anyways... it was a hard time for me and my brother..because my brother ended up walking in on his body the next morning.

There is a good ending though. About a month later after living with mom and pop, I found God, a job that I love, security in my mind and soul, and most of all PEACE in my mind and life. PRAISE Him! Jesus is without a doubt, GOD, our Lord and savior.
 
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