What is 2 Thess 2:3 really saying ?

[dan p]

Hi to every one .

I believe that there is many interpretation AND BOOKS CONCERNING THIS VERSE .

1) I BELIEVE IN 2 Tim 2:15 AND in 4 rules that I will use in this explaination of this passage .

2) They are , Context , Dispensational , Historical , and Grammar .

3) First lets look at the Context of 2 Thess 2 , in verse 1 it is the gathering together unto Him . Does this sound like it is talking about the APOSTASY , OF FAITH , NO .

4) V 2 , IS HISTORICAL , because Paul is letting them know by letter , don't be shaken in , mind ,
or be troubled , neither by spirit , nor by word , as from us , as that the Day of Christ is at hand . Not talking about falling away from faith .

5) So what does falling away mean anyway ?

6) It this the Greek word -----APOSTASIA
6a) the English word------------APOSTASY
7) This is the Grammar Part and Most say that it is the word APOSTASY , you will notice that the spelling is ALMOST same , and you have understand why . Please notice that in the transliteration , they DROP THE LETTER'S IA , THEN ADD the letter y , to APOSTAS (Y) and call it APOSTASY , AND IT IS not THE SAME .

8) Because the English word APOSTASY is a Transliterated from Greek to English , thats why . And is NOT and accurate translation of the Greek word APOSTASIA . This is the Greek Grammar part .

9) The word can be translated , forsake , rebellion and Departure fits Here and it is Dispensational since it is talking about the Depature of the Body of Christ .

10) My exegesis , I feel is right on , and it is NOT tAlking about falling from Faith , but instead is revealing the Departure will be FIRST and then that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition.




























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[jtb]

2 Thessalonians
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him

2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Here we see two things happening before Jesus returns; a falling away and the AC makes his debut.

2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

What withholdeth?

 

[dan p]

Hi jtb , did you agree or disagree with my post ? It seem that you agree ?

1) There are many opinions about what is hindering the revealing of the anti-christ

2) Some says that it is the Roman empire

3)Satan

4) the Holy Spirit

5) the Body of Christ

6) the NEW nessage given to the APOSTLE pAUL

7) But we see that the Thessalonians NEW , BECAUSE they were taught by the Apostle Paul , and they new who the RESTAINER was .

8) A R.C.Brock has this explaination , the word " restraining " is a neuter participle with the neuter article ( the word THE ) TRANSLATED " the one restraining " .

9) In verse 7 , this same Greek word is a masculine participle with the masculine article , translated the same way , " the one restraining ."

10) Because of the use of both the neuter and masculine gender for " the one restraining , " the 2 together can refer to the Body of Christ or to the Holy Spirit .

11) The Holy Spirit resides within in the Body of Christ and our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 6:19 .

12) So I believe that is the Body of Christ and the Holy Spirit within us IS that RESTRAINER .

13) To me , that means that the Departure is next on God's program ( the so-called rapture ) .

14) Restraint ; on the part of the Holy Spirit and the Body of Christ using the God-given message revealed to Paul by the RISEN Christ , the Revelation OF THE Mystery Rom 16:25.

15) being Taken OUT ; REFFERING to the Body of Christ and the Devine message it is to preach and teach . The Holy SPIRIT REMAINS BEHIND ON EARTH FOR hIS MINISTRY to the Nation of Israel under God's Kingdom program for Israel and the world according to the Abrahamic Covenant .

 

[jtb]

Dan, to be honest, your post is somewhat confusing to me.

Here's what Jesus said about "falling away":

Matthew 24
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

It's LOVE; Satan's kryptonite. Love withholdeth. :yes Do you agree?

 

[Vic C.]

Yes, the falling away is a departure of sorts, but it's not in reference to anyone departing from the Earth. Why would Paul be telling them the gathering unto Christ cannot not happen until the departure of the church? That don't make sense grammatically or contextually.

Verse 1 sets the order; first the coming then the gathering. They can pretty much be considered one event we know as the Parousia.

Verse 2 sets up the fact that there were false teachings going on. Of course false teachings eventually lead to apostate believers. Paul is telling the believers in the Thessalonian church to hold tight and not be troubled by or fall for this false teaching that Jesus had already returned.

Verse 3 says:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,...

That day is... The Coming of the Lord Jesus and the gathering of the saints. Again, the order is established in verse 1. Verse 3 alos shows us events that will happen before His return and before our gathering....

... except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

We can interject all the little nuances of the Greek and presuppose different meanings into verses like this. Sometimes doing this causes problems with interpreting and putting together other key verses which point to His return and our gathering unto Him. The other problem is apostasia is used in other places in the Bible and it pretty much amounts to issues of right faith. So, why change it's meaning here, other than to support an End Times position I believe isn't supported in Scripture.

When the Hebrew was translated into Greek, known as the Septuagint, apostasia shows up in several places:

Josh 22:22
2Chr 29:19
Jer 2:19
Ezra 4:12 and 15

and in a few other verses not in my version of the KJV. In all cases it pointed to a religious apostasy. Why change it's obvious meaning now? Even men like Walvoord and Ryrie eventually changed their minds about this meaning the departure of the church because the the evidence against was convincing enough for them.

Too bad they didn't reconsider their pretrib position. ;)

 

[dan p]

Hi vicC . If we look at the word grace , it is used 12 different ways .
Most Greek words have more than one meaning . Does water baptism ALWAYS mean water , the answer is No .